Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 07:12 PM
I think Rebel is a precog, I mean, how else did he/she know that Hiro and Ando would end up in India?
ChicagoCubz
Feb 16 2009, 07:13 PM
I still think it's Hana or Micah.
pyn
Feb 16 2009, 07:13 PM
more indications that its angela?
1WngdAngel
Feb 16 2009, 07:15 PM
It certainly appears to be someone with inside information on Nathan's shtickt.
Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (pyn @ Feb 16 2009, 09:13 PM)

more indications that its angela?
Yeah, I'm starting to become more convinced that Rebel is Angela.
SaberProductions
Feb 16 2009, 07:19 PM
I kind of want it to be Angela working in tandem with Micah.
pjw2000
Feb 16 2009, 07:19 PM
Yeah, sounds like Angela to me.
Leek
Feb 16 2009, 07:19 PM
So, to continue the discussion, who in the world could Rebel be?
I'm pretty partial to the idea that Rebel is a mole working among Danko's people. It would explain how they are getting the target's information (Cell phone, location, etc) and also how they know the exact moment the "Pick up" will be taking place.
That we have seen (Correct me if I am wrong) Rebel hasn't contacted anyone who hasn't been on "The list" of targets. Maybe because they don't have access to those people?
Of course, as was sort of proposed by last weeks acid trip of a Graphic Novel, it is possible Hana and or Drucker could be responsible. I find this unlikely, personally.
So what do you think? Did we get any further relevant information on the subject this epi?
Jumper
Feb 16 2009, 07:20 PM
Well Micah showed us how far his ability go when he got Tracy and Niki;s birth papers from a simple laptop back in volume 3 so...it can be him, he can go anywhere as long as it is a computer or something.
SuperT
Feb 16 2009, 07:22 PM
I still think it's Micah.
SharpAxel620
Feb 16 2009, 07:24 PM
Angela sounds like the most likely person to me right now.
However, I'm still holding out hope for Micah because Hiro had the precog drawing on the cell phone when they first showed him and Ando at the wedding.
OorTael5
Feb 16 2009, 07:25 PM
I really don't think it's Micah. It would just be too random to insert him back in the plot here when he has no stake in this.
My guess would be Angela.
SuperT
Feb 16 2009, 07:28 PM
Micah doesn't have any stake? Uh, everyone has a stake in this volume they're all being rounded up and captured.
And if Angela is Rebel, that will be quite possibly the dumbest and biggest letdown ever. What is the point of her doing all of this?!?
Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (SharpAxel620 @ Feb 16 2009, 09:24 PM)

However, I'm still holding out hope for Micah because Hiro had the precog drawing on the cell phone when they first showed him and Ando at the wedding.
I think they took a picture of the drawing that Matt made.
SuperT
Feb 16 2009, 07:30 PM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Feb 16 2009, 10:29 PM)

I think they took a picture of the drawing that Matt made.
No, he means that since they had the picture on the cell phone, Micah could find it easily and know that Hiro and Ando are in India.
Hiro and Ando also have GPS trackers on themselves, so Micah could find them that way as well.
Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (SuperT @ Feb 16 2009, 09:30 PM)

No, he means that since they had the picture on the cell phone, Micah could find it easily and know that Hiro and Ando are in India.
Hiro and Ando also have GPS trackers on themselves, so Micah could find them that way as well.
Yeah. But would Micah know that it's Hiro and Ando in the picture? And the tracking software is in Japan. I know that Micah is a technopath and all, but how would he initially know that Hiro and Ando had GPS units at all?
BrainBuster
Feb 16 2009, 07:33 PM
I agree, Micah seems logical from a story preservative but he's been all but written off and was last seen being used to advance Tracy's story. If he was Rebel I would think they would mention him more than just a picture. But it would be cool to see him... and Molly for that matter >_>
Angela seems more likely, Rachel is likely working for her as a mole, (how else could she get into a place that hunts specials when she has an ability). If Rachel's mom's power isn't the same as her daughters it could be something that's allowing her to do all the Rebel stuff with help from Angela.
wolfbro
Feb 16 2009, 07:33 PM
QUOTE (SuperT @ Feb 16 2009, 07:28 PM)

And if Angela is Rebel, that will be quite possibly the dumbest and biggest letdown ever.
For you, perhaps. For others, it seems they are excited by the possibility. There's no need to insult their speculation if you don't like that potential direction of the show.
EvolutionisNear
Feb 16 2009, 07:35 PM
I think its Angela or the new lady
themightytruk
Feb 16 2009, 07:52 PM
It does seem clear this Rebel person seems to know what Nathan's plans are. I'm guessing if it's not someone working with Nathan, then it's someone with a power enabling this. Maybe someone with the ability to see events that are going on in the present. That would be kinda new. Anyways, I think this is a new character completely.
pjw2000
Feb 16 2009, 07:53 PM
I really don't think it's Micah. The show's timeline is compressed, so it's only 2007 or so, but all the actors have of course aged normally. It would be pretty weird to have a deep-voiced Noah Gray-Cabey just suddenly come back. It's the same reason why Molly's return was set in a future episode. Those kids grow up fast.
SharpAxel620
Feb 16 2009, 08:01 PM
QUOTE (themightytruk @ Feb 16 2009, 10:52 PM)

Anyways, I think this is a new character completely.
Still I'd be pretty disappointed if they introduced
another new character as Rebel without exploring the possibilities of using one of the "forgotten" heroes.
Maitias
Feb 16 2009, 09:03 PM
It's Danko.
aulduron
Feb 16 2009, 09:10 PM
I'm still leaning toward Micah, but the Rachel theory is picking up credibility with me. Either it's part of Nathans crew, or they use electronic media for all their communication.
Can Micah pick up cell phone transmissions like Hanah?
DanielPetrelli
Feb 16 2009, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (BrainBuster @ Feb 16 2009, 10:33 PM)

I agree, Micah seems logical from a story preservative but he's been all but written off and was last seen being used to advance Tracy's story. If he was Rebel I would think they would mention him more than just a picture. But it would be cool to see him... and Molly for that matter >_>
Angela seems more likely, Rachel is likely working for her as a mole, (how else could she get into a place that hunts specials when she has an ability). If Rachel's mom's power isn't the same as her daughters it could be something that's allowing her to do all the Rebel stuff with help from Angela.
I like this idea a lot. Leona (Rachel's mom and Angela's friend) has Micah's ability. Angela gets the info from Rachel and passes it to Leona, who warns the Heroes as "Rebel". As for the "Libertad" stuff, perhaps Leona and Drucker were an item at one time. Taking it perhaps a step too far, maybe Leona really did commit suicide, only to become a "ghost in the machine" like Hana?
gareburger
Feb 16 2009, 09:21 PM
QUOTE (Maitias @ Feb 16 2009, 09:03 PM)

It's Danko.
Are you kidding me? That guy just killed an innocent man to make sure this whole program still had it's funding. (Tracey's spectacle)
QUOTE (aulduron @ Feb 16 2009, 09:10 PM)

I'm still leaning toward Micah, but the Rachel theory is picking up credibility with me. Either it's part of Nathans crew, or they use electronic media for all their communication.
Can Micah pick up cell phone transmissions like Hanah?
Micah can do whatever Hanah can do and more. Micah can do bloody anything.
ChaosTheory09
Feb 16 2009, 10:25 PM
I think Micah being Rebel would be cool. He could have used his powers to find Claire's cell phone and Hiro and Ando's gps tracking system, but I wonder how he would know Claire. That kinda makes it seem like it's not him, but who know what he's been told.
Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 10:27 PM
Rebel being Micah wouldn't explain how he knew that Hiro and Ando would be in India before they got there.
Granted, we don't know exactly when the fax was sent, but it was obviously before they arrived, which would rule out the GPS tracking system being of use.
theJollity
Feb 16 2009, 10:31 PM
Rebel's totally Angela! She hasn't had a lot of onscreen action as of late, so maybe she's on the down low as this "rebel" character. She never liked her late husband's plans, and now that Nathan's adopted them, you think she'll suddenly chummy up to the idea? Nahh, she's got her ways.
B4theDawn
Feb 16 2009, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (pjw2000 @ Feb 16 2009, 07:53 PM)

I really don't think it's Micah. The show's timeline is compressed, so it's only 2007 or so, but all the actors have of course aged normally. It would be pretty weird to have a deep-voiced Noah Gray-Cabey just suddenly come back. It's the same reason why Molly's return was set in a future episode. Those kids grow up fast.
That's actually a really good point.. XD
QUOTE (DanielPetrelli @ Feb 16 2009, 09:19 PM)

I like this idea a lot. Leona (Rachel's mom and Angela's friend) has Micah's ability. Angela gets the info from Rachel and passes it to Leona, who warns the Heroes as "Rebel". As for the "Libertad" stuff, perhaps Leona and Drucker were an item at one time. Taking it perhaps a step too far, maybe Leona really did commit suicide, only to become a "ghost in the machine" like Hana?
that's a good theory.
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Feb 16 2009, 10:27 PM)

Rebel being Micah wouldn't explain how he knew that Hiro and Ando would be in India before they got there.
Granted, we don't know exactly when the fax was sent, but it was obviously before they arrived, which would rule out the GPS tracking system being of use.
Okay, I'm going to stand on the side of the fence and say I think it's Micah... it makes sense. I'd like to see him back. It's a bit far fetched, but I'm just gonna say he's working with Micah, that's how he found them in India. I'm discussing this with Jolls, and she pointed out that it meant Molly had to have some sort of precog ability but... and again, I know it's farfetched... just because the fax showed up before they stopped the wedding doesn't mean it showed up before they got to India. I'm probably wrong, but this is my theory and I'm rolling with it. I've been right about extremely farfetched things before.
Zensu14
Feb 16 2009, 10:44 PM
QUOTE (B4theDawn @ Feb 17 2009, 12:41 AM)

Okay, I'm going to stand on the side of the fence and say I think it's Micah... it makes sense. I'd like to see him back. It's a bit far fetched, but I'm just gonna say he's working with Micah, that's how he found them in India. I'm discussing this with Jolls, and she pointed out that it meant Molly had to have some sort of precog ability but... and again, I know it's farfetched... just because the fax showed up before they stopped the wedding doesn't mean it showed up before they got to India. I'm probably wrong, but this is my theory and I'm rolling with it. I've been right about extremely farfetched things before.

I see, but how did Micah know to send it to that specific fax address before they got there? Even if it was Molly, she only knows where people are currently, not in advance.
qasrose
Feb 16 2009, 10:59 PM
Rebel = Wirless?
Just is just a strange theory, could it be that Wirless is in fact Rebel.
How else would they know Clair's Cell, and the exact location of Ando and Hiro?
We never got to see her in the previous series yet she was supposed to be in it.? hmmm
B4theDawn
Feb 16 2009, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Feb 16 2009, 10:44 PM)

I see, but how did Micah know to send it to that specific fax address before they got there? Even if it was Molly, she only knows where people are currently, not in advance.
Yeah, see, I was hoping no one would ask that because the answer to that is even MORE far fetched...
See, someone pointed out that the photo of Matt's painting was on Hiro's iPhone. We've seen that Micah can manipulate phones before... so maybe he got the picture and was like MOLLEH! FIND ME THE GIRL IN THIS PICTURE! And she did so he faxed her.
Yes, I am completely aware of how ridiculous that sounds... XD
Fr33don
Feb 16 2009, 11:04 PM
It's gotta be a group of people likes Evs.
Micah or Hana/Drucker, Rachel Mills (inside man err woman) and Angela.
Raekon
Feb 16 2009, 11:26 PM
QUOTE (Fr33don @ Feb 17 2009, 08:04 AM)

It's gotta be a group of people likes Evs.
Micah or Hana/Drucker, Rachel Mills (inside man err woman) and Angela.
Agree (except of hana and drucker).
- Angela has protected children before (the haitian, claire, others?)
- Angela has saved/kept people hidden before (Victoria, Leona, others?)
- Angela is a precog
- Angela has all the info through the company AND the knowledge
- Angela has connections to Leona and Rachel
She totally fits the profile in my opinion!
So it can be easily Angela+Micah+Rachel and maybe even Leona!
aulduron
Feb 16 2009, 11:47 PM
How about
Rebel is the "new Company". Angela is organizing it. She's recruited Micah and Rachel so far (maybe Noah, as a mole). The people they help will eventually join, and work together to fight Nathan.
Micah is far better at tracking people through cameras, phone calls, credit card use than Nathans boys. He could have found Hiro by watching cameras, or the GPS on his phone. His entry into India was recored on a computer. Do they have traffic cameras in India? I bet they have them in and around airports, at least. Heck, he could use Google Earth.
Saviour
Feb 17 2009, 01:24 AM
QUOTE (SuperT @ Feb 17 2009, 04:28 AM)

And if Angela is Rebel, that will be quite possibly the dumbest and biggest letdown ever. What is the point of her doing all of this?!?
Um, have you seen Heroes before? Then you'll know that Angela was in charge of this little company called Primatech last volume, which captured people with powers and ensured that the world didn't know about them. Factor in the events of the Volume 3 coupled with the insight that her own ability provides her and she instantly becomes the prime candidate.
morena
Feb 17 2009, 04:41 AM
I like aulduron's theory. I was thinking of something like that, too.
OlyMendez
Feb 17 2009, 05:35 AM
I think Rebel isn't just one person. I think it's more a group of people acting as a unit. So Rebel isn't necessarily a pre-cog or anything like that. There could be a pre-cog in the group, or even a mole in Nathan's unit, passing along information to the Rebellion.
Sayonara
Feb 17 2009, 05:59 AM
One word:
Muggles
Begemot Geroi
Feb 17 2009, 06:12 AM
Occam's Razor, etc., etc.
I think that Angela is probably Rebel. I'd love to think it was Micah, but they haven't really done anything with his character since S2, so I doubt that it's him. The simplest answer is usually right.
Picklehead
Feb 17 2009, 06:45 AM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Feb 17 2009, 04:32 AM)

Yeah. But would Micah know that it's Hiro and Ando in the picture? And the tracking software is in Japan. I know that Micah is a technopath and all, but how would he initially know that Hiro and Ando had GPS units at all?
The same way he got Tracy's birth certificate. He probably just asked a computer to find all information on specials. And since he does not need to hack or anything any and all information is available to him. The kid can talk to and make any computer/machine do what he wants. there is no information he can not find.
BrucetheSpruce
Feb 17 2009, 06:58 AM
Rebel is either:
1. Billy Idol
2. David Bowie
3. Bob Marley (my personal favorite).
SaberProductions
Feb 17 2009, 07:30 AM
QUOTE (DanielPetrelli @ Feb 16 2009, 11:19 PM)

I like this idea a lot. Leona (Rachel's mom and Angela's friend) has Micah's ability. Angela gets the info from Rachel and passes it to Leona, who warns the Heroes as "Rebel". As for the "Libertad" stuff, perhaps Leona and Drucker were an item at one time. Taking it perhaps a step too far, maybe Leona really did commit suicide, only to become a "ghost in the machine" like Hana?
Interesting theory. However, I don't think Leona is dead, since Angela calls her at the end of the "The Recruit." I mean, I guess she could project her voice through cyberspace to the phone, but I think it's more likely that she's alive.
highflyingempath
Feb 17 2009, 09:38 AM
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Feb 16 2009, 11:27 PM)

Rebel being Micah wouldn't explain how he knew that Hiro and Ando would be in India before they got there.
Granted, we don't know exactly when the fax was sent, but it was obviously before they arrived, which would rule out the GPS tracking system being of use.
The other thing Rebel seems to have foreseen is that Parkman's in trouble - texted Claire that she has to save him, even though he seemed to be ok at the end of the episode. Is there some future peril which she's going to have to get him out of?
This could just mean that Rebel is an insider such as Rachel Mills, or it's a precog. Combined with the India fax, probably a precog, although Nathan's surveillance gangs or someone with technopathic powers may have easily been able to trace Hiro and Ando's movements.
tickitytak
Feb 17 2009, 12:32 PM
QUOTE (highflyingempath @ Feb 17 2009, 11:38 AM)

The other thing Rebel seems to have foreseen is that Parkman's in trouble - texted Claire that she has to save him, even though he seemed to be ok at the end of the episode. Is there some future peril which she's going to have to get him out of?
This could just mean that Rebel is an insider such as Rachel Mills, or it's a precog. Combined with the India fax, probably a precog, although Nathan's surveillance gangs or someone with technopathic powers may have easily been able to trace Hiro and Ando's movements.
Hiro and Ando received a fax about Parkman. Claire got a text about Alex.
i doubt that Rebel is a group of people since they've already done that. i just think it'd be lame to pull the same stunt on the show as they did in the GNs last summer. it seems more likely to me that it's Micah or someone with an ability like his. having complete access to every electronic device connected to the internet would allow Micah to know who is being tracked, when Nathan's goons are going to capture them, and where these people are. also with Hiro and Ando having the painting on the iPhone, he would know that they're headed to India, get info on tickets they bought and could very well use their GPS (which seems like a plot device waiting to be of significance later in the volume) to track them.
anyway whoever it is, he/she/they obviously wants to manipulate people into forming an alliance against the government. having claire go out of her way to save alex, instead of just texting alex themselves. faxing Hiro and Ando instead of texting them? maybe the writers don't want to use texting exclusively (which i agree would be lame) or Rebel felt Hiro and Ando would respond better to a fax? idk
it just seems that someone with a power associated with technology is the most likely candidate, and i would love to see Micah helping save the world. i wouldn't be surprised if he's working for Angela either.
Zensu14
Feb 17 2009, 02:08 PM
QUOTE (highflyingempath @ Feb 17 2009, 11:38 AM)

This could just mean that Rebel is an insider such as Rachel Mills, or it's a precog. Combined with the India fax, probably a precog, although Nathan's surveillance gangs or someone with technopathic powers may have easily been able to trace Hiro and Ando's movements.
QUOTE (tickitytak @ Feb 17 2009, 02:32 PM)

Hiro and Ando received a fax about Parkman. Claire got a text about Alex.
i doubt that Rebel is a group of people since they've already done that. i just think it'd be lame to pull the same stunt on the show as they did in the GNs last summer. it seems more likely to me that it's Micah or someone with an ability like his. having complete access to every electronic device connected to the internet would allow Micah to know who is being tracked, when Nathan's goons are going to capture them, and where these people are. also with Hiro and Ando having the painting on the iPhone, he would know that they're headed to India, get info on tickets they bought and could very well use their GPS (which seems like a plot device waiting to be of significance later in the volume) to track them.
The only flaw is how Micah would know that they're going to arrive at that exact address. With no captions on the drawing(aside from the painting not being too terribly detailed), even if he did see it on Hiro's phone he wouldn't know who to send it to.
aulduron
Feb 17 2009, 03:14 PM
QUOTE
The only flaw is how Micah would know that they're going to arrive at that exact address. With no captions on the drawing(aside from the painting not being too terribly detailed), even if he did see it on Hiro's phone he wouldn't know who to send it to.
Google Earth, their phones GPS, possible security cameras, a pre-cog partner, or he had someone direct them there.
highflyingempath
Feb 17 2009, 04:24 PM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Feb 17 2009, 04:14 PM)

Google Earth, their phones GPS, possible security cameras, a pre-cog partner, or he had someone direct them there.
How could Micah know Parkman was going to need saving, when he seems ok at the mo?
It suggests either an insider, which wouldn't make sense if building 26 was inoperative, or a precog, maybe a precog working with a technopath.
Alessandra
Feb 17 2009, 04:45 PM
At first I thought it was Micah, but that doesn't fit to a T. Then I thought it was Peter. That whole, "I'm scared too, " stuff Sounded SO Much Like Peter! Then I decided it Must just be a whole group. That would explain :: How "they" see the future, track people, and why that single message sounded so much like Peter. That Contact Was Peter!
Maybe the simplest explanation is the answer... And the simplest explanation is :: It's a group of people...
*shrugs* Makes no matter to me. I only keep watching the show out of Insane Loyalty...
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