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Leek
I just thought it was a really small and interesting twist to add about the Indian bride and the arranged marriage. It really made the situation unique, and modernized the character. It reminded me of the whole part in V for Vendetta, you know. Just wanted to make note of it, and see if other people liked the touch as well.
paigequinto
the bride had a girlfriend?
pjw2000
Yeah, I picked up on that, too. "A traditional marriage is not for me." Very subtle and cool.
ChicagoCubz
Wait...wut?
prander
Girlfriend? I thought the other girl was her sister.
paigequinto
QUOTE (pjw2000 @ Feb 16 2009, 10:45 PM) *
Yeah, I picked up on that, too. "A traditional marriage is not for me." Very subtle and cool.

I thought she meant "traditional' as in "arranged"
Leek
The girl she owned the bakery with, that was her girlfriend. The way they looked at each other, the way when she said the traditional line she glanced at her and smiled...I dunno it was just obvious to me.
kfcrispy
QUOTE (Leek @ Feb 16 2009, 10:56 PM) *
The girl she owned the bakery with, that was her girlfriend. The way they looked at each other, the way when she said the traditional line she glanced at her and smiled...I dunno it was just obvious to me.

it certainly hinted at that! *wink*
CharlieNakamura
I was wondering if anybody else caught that, or if I just imagined it - I thought it was kind of a cool twist.
Aerdna
Wow, I didn't catch that.

I'm very surprised that the grandfather was so accepting of it.
LowerTheBar
I caught it, but I doubt the grandfather knows at this point.
Aerdna
Well I didn't mean accepting of her orientation, but just her calling off the wedding.
LowerTheBar
Oooh. I thought that was weird. He said he "just wanted her to be happy" and seemed really surprised that she didn't want to get married, but before, the bride had said grandpa only went along with it because he was afraid of Dipak.
waiheke
yeah i liked the whole aspect of that part of the show. i have been there and talked to a few girls ,my age, who really hate and hate is not to strong a word , hate the arranged marriages . i got to know a 26 year old who had the over bearing feeling that her family was near arranging a marriage for her and that she would run away before she would o through with it.so i could relate to that whole scene and i did note the hint that the partner at the shop might be a girlfriend in the sense that we are thinking here . kind of a brave stand for people in those situations.
DanielPetrelli
Now, now, they're business partners and that's all, just like Zach from S1 was a "late bloomer" in terms of the ladies. We wouldn't want them to be written off the show like he was, now, would we?

In all seriousness, those scenes were very well done. That kind of subtlety has often been lacking during the last two seasons, but it's great to see a return to form.
TrentSteele
I'm afraid I was pretty much oblivious, here. I was under the impression she was enamored of Ando earlier in the episode, and so I guess the issue wasn't in question for me. I assumed the look they shared was more about the other girl, being her friend (in a platonic sense), not wanting her to marry an evil guy she hated over an arrangement, and that the "traditional marriage" thing was a reference to the Indian tradition regarding arranged marriages and what have you.

This may have been deliberately left open to interpretation so that no one was offended; in fact, it would explain why they set the marriage in India, enabling more than one interpretation of "traditional marriage."
Driving_Mish_Crazy13
ohmy.gif I knew it! Interesting twist, especially since India seems to be a bit on the conservative side.
wildtripz
QUOTE (prander @ Feb 17 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Girlfriend? I thought the other girl was her sister.


Either way, I'm disappointed they never made out.
B4theDawn
QUOTE (wildtripz @ Feb 16 2009, 11:28 PM) *
Either way, I'm disappointed they never made out.
Quoted for awesome... hahaha. That made me laugh.

But I agree with the general consensus. that was a cool little thing to throw in. smile.gif
wildtripz
QUOTE (B4theDawn @ Feb 17 2009, 05:43 PM) *
Quoted for awesome... hahaha. That made me laugh.

But I agree with the general consensus. that was a cool little thing to throw in. smile.gif


Lol I try.

But yeah, I liked how they threw it in, nice and subtle, no 'HEY LOOK, WE ACCEPT GAY PEOPLE.'
They didn't make a big deal out of it, which is how it should be.
KnightPhobia
I'm at an utter and complete loss as to how someone who didn't want to get married would ever even stick around to deal with it. I suppose it's because I'm American and have pesky ideals about liberty, freedom, and happiness.

Seriously though... wtf... some people allow themselves to be victims, too weak to stand up for themselves.

I found her character to be really sad and pathetic. I missed the whole lesbian thing completely, went right over my head.
B4theDawn
Different cultures, different customs, different beliefs.

Not all places teach their kids to be defiant toward their elders.
waiheke
QUOTE (KnightPhobia @ Feb 17 2009, 03:32 AM) *
I'm at an utter and complete loss as to how someone who didn't want to get married would ever even stick around to deal with it. I suppose it's because I'm American and have pesky ideals about liberty, freedom, and happiness.

Seriously though... wtf... some people allow themselves to be victims, too weak to stand up for themselves.

I found her character to be really sad and pathetic. I missed the whole lesbian thing completely, went right over my head.

i am glad they included this in the show , it brings some real world realism into our living rooms. arranged marriage is something that is pervasive in india and surrounding areas of asia and africa.young women just do not want to accept it they fight it,often making plans to run away to other countries. these are very modern thinking women and as the world homogenizes they realise that they should not be obligated to accept arranged marriage and resist and run from it.it is a great parrallel to the "fugitives" story line of this season.
KnightPhobia
QUOTE (B4theDawn @ Feb 17 2009, 12:50 AM) *
Different cultures, different customs, different beliefs.

Not all places teach their kids to be defiant toward their elders.

I suppose "Where the ground meets the sky" everyone does as they are instructed, and the freedom to think is absent.

In places where humanity does exist though, I have more respect for someone that has respect for themselves. Despite arranged marriages being "pervasive" I just found the whole thing to be a plot tool, and not a real world demonstration of an outdated tradition from a time when women were traded for goats.

I understand that it happens, doesn't mean I have to like it/accept it/pity it.
kojirodensetsu
I personally don't think there's enough to go on to conclude that they're lesbians. Sure it could be true. But this is how I saw it. Those 2 were good friends due to similar personalities. They both owned the shop after all. So neither one of them were "traditional". And during the episode the main girl is troubled. So obviously she would talk about it to her friend. She didn't just wake up one morning and go "oh snap I don't want to get married." She stated her reason being that she thought he was dangerous. Not because she "just didn't want to". And when the wedding broke up she looked at her friend as a sigh of relief since her friend was the only person who she thought completely understood her feelings and was always there for her.

You can be good friends with someone without being attracted to them.
Liv
I think gay people are extra-sensitive about these things because we're looking for "our heroes" on the show. I definitely hoorayed the subtext about the restaurant women, and now I'm rather hoping Anna has some sort of power, long shot though it may be.
Sayonara



QUOTE (kojirodensetsu @ Feb 17 2009, 11:23 AM) *
I personally don't think there's enough to go on to conclude that they're lesbians. Sure it could be true.


Wait for the 18 rated GN tongue.gif
Begemot Geroi
QUOTE (prander @ Feb 16 2009, 10:53 PM) *
Girlfriend? I thought the other girl was her sister.

I thought that, too. Maybe I misheard or failed at reading between the lines?
prander
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Feb 17 2009, 08:21 AM) *
I thought that, too. Maybe I misheard or failed at reading between the lines?

Or a good friend, perhaps even her business partner.

I didn't interpret anything that suggests to me that she was gay. So, if there was, I also missed it.

I tend to think it could be the term, "traditional," being thrown around that's really giving people this impression. But, as was said, "arranged marriages" would be the "traditional" in this case, not "heterosexual marriages". It seems to me that people are looking at it from an American perspective as opposed to an Indian one.
RedWolf
It is traditional as in arranged marriage. Which some would consider old and outdated.
MysteryMachine
QUOTE (wildtripz @ Feb 16 2009, 11:51 PM) *
But yeah, I liked how they threw it in, nice and subtle, no 'HEY LOOK, WE ACCEPT GAY PEOPLE.'
They didn't make a big deal out of it, which is how it should be.


I agree. Simple,sweet and unremarkable.

conspiracytheory
I did spot the little glance, but I was so disgusted with the India subplot as a whole that I really couldn't care less about the social commentary, here.

Guess I just didn't see it as the "return to form" that some of you are making it out to be.
Begemot Geroi
I'm still trying to figure out why they had to go to India for one episode and now they're heading back to CA to save Matt, but that's another topic for another time.

I got the impression that the two women were just business partners and that she didn't want to give up her independence and her business to get married and theoretically settle down and start a family and so on. I just figured that was what she meant.
Brennan
I donno... Usually I'm pretty good at picking up on the shows subtleties but the thought of them being romantically involved never crossed my mind.

Like someone already stated, I got the gist that Ando and her where attracted to each other (I just got that vibe) and though I never specifically said to myself "those two are sisters" the understanding that I got where that they where like sisters/best friends/business partners/outsiders (since they weren't traditional)

If this is what the writers wanted us to get out of this, then that's cool too, though the scenes would have been better for me if they would have just come out and said it...

lol Ok I'm done biggrin.gif

But seriously I wish they would have just told us if that's the point they wanted to give.
joel182
QUOTE
But seriously I wish they would have just told us if that's the point they wanted to give.


How boring that would be!
Brennan
QUOTE (joel182 @ Feb 17 2009, 06:21 PM) *
How boring that would be!


Well if you want my own personal opinion, then it couldn't have been half as boring as the entire Indian sub plot..rolleyes.gif
prander
QUOTE (Brennan @ Feb 17 2009, 02:57 PM) *
Like someone already stated, I got the gist that Ando and her where attracted to each other (I just got that vibe) and though I never specifically said to myself "those two are sisters" the understanding that I got where that they where like sisters/best friends/business partners/outsiders (since they weren't traditional)

Me, too.

QUOTE
If this is what the writers wanted us to get out of this, then that's cool too, though the scenes would have been better for me if they would have just come out and said it...

I don't have any problem with it, I just didn't get that out of it.

QUOTE
But seriously I wish they would have just told us if that's the point they wanted to give.

Yeah, I completely missed it if it was there.
Shizniddle Snap
I am not gay, but I still thought that look meant something more than they told us. I am glad to see others thought something of it as well. Could go either way depending on TPTB's intentions. I am just saying the performance led me to believe there were some "gay-love" between the two.
paigequinto
I just watched it again, and now it's kind of obvious to me
and now I feel stupid for not noticing it in the first place =\
Mask
Lol I caught that too. I liked it biggrin.gif .
godiva
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Feb 17 2009, 02:46 PM) *
I'm still trying to figure out why they had to go to India for one episode and now they're heading back to CA to save Matt, but that's another topic for another time.

I got the impression that the two women were just business partners and that she didn't want to give up her independence and her business to get married and theoretically settle down and start a family and so on. I just figured that was what she meant.


I assumed that they went to India because it is one of the civilized countries where many marriages are still arranged, and the writers were focusing on this rather than anything about homosexuality. Hiro was a hero because he saved the girl from a loveless marriage. I didn't think the homosexual thing was subtly implied, rather they were implying that unhappiness will probably result if you make a girl who is happy marry someone she doesn't love simply out of tradition or to please a parent.
daDoctah
Until I lost my job earlier this year, I had an opportunity to work with a lot of people from India. One thing I learned was that the culture doesn't really acknowledge homosexuality. (People are becoming more aware of it, but it's simply not spoken of.) If the bride and her business partner were lovers, it would be perfectly in keeping with societal norms that nobody would actually say so, and any reference made to it is bound to be pretty oblique.

Even with a couple of outsiders, from a different culture that's somewhat more open about such matters, it makes sense that whatever the relationship was would be kept implicit.

(And that, as a side benefit, makes it possible for those <u>looking</u> for a subtext to see it while not setting off a homophobic reaction about "having perversion crammed down our throats by the liberal media". A win-win.)
Raekon
I immediately caught it when she were saying to her grandfather that her destiny is not a "traditional" one and exchange the looks with her partner exactly then.
I liked it a lot! It showed us what was meant without going all with "drumrolls" and stuff and that was great. smile.gif
Leek
QUOTE (TrentSteele @ Feb 17 2009, 01:22 AM) *
This may have been deliberately left open to interpretation so that no one was offended; in fact, it would explain why they set the marriage in India, enabling more than one interpretation of "traditional marriage."


Why would someone be offended?


I mean, if you look at it from a visual standpoint, you have some explanin' to do. That shot at the end was the deal sealer. She stops the wedding, and gives this knowing look to the "friend" (Who was sort of unimportant the entire episode) and the friend rises with this thrilled look at her face and returns this knowing look that is accompanied by the whole tradition line. The way that was constructed, the timing of the glances and how it was acted and what she was saying...I mean, it could have been some weird mistake but I wouldn't understand why. Adding that she was a lesbian is again, a little touch. I suppose, yes, it was left "Open for interpretation" but it is clear quite a few of up picked up on what was being said.



SylarsDisciple
I think you're reading too much into it. They were good friends, nothing more. Traditional just means arranged in this case. I didn't pick up on any sexual or romantic vibes between them.
Leek
Still, that is a lot of people who on their own read to much into something and came to the same conclusion.
prander
I'd say that until there's confirmation one way or the other, it could go either way.

To me, given that arranged marriages are "traditional" and she was "non-traditional," and the the whole plot was about being "non-traditional" by not having an arranged marriage, it just doesn't make much sense to throw homosexuality into it. A little smile or look or something to another woman just isn't suggestive to me in regards to sexual preference. I'd expect her to smile or whatever to the other woman at that moment even if they were just friends, sisters or something.


QUOTE (Leek @ Feb 20 2009, 03:14 PM) *
Still, that is a lot of people who on their own read to much into something and came to the same conclusion.

A lot of people read too much into it and came to the conclusion that Sylar ate brains, among other examples...

"Might does not (necessarily) equal right."
Leek
It isn't throwing sexuality into it for the hell of it. If they are lesbians, they are lesbians. It doesn't change the story, only makes it more sad that she felt she had to get married.
Brennan
eh, either way it doesn't really matter since we'll most likely never see these characters again...
one life
QUOTE (wildtripz @ Feb 17 2009, 02:28 AM) *
Either way, I'm disappointed they never made out.


Trust me, your not the only one who was disappointed!

What's the name of that actress who played the bride? she has beautiful eyes
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