Now I know what Noah said to Claire, but the way he was seemly shell shocked and then the way he played with his wedding ring afterward at the hotel bar makes me think there may be more to it.

And honestly, who would blame Sandra? HRG messed with her head and constantly lies to her, and after all that she seems to have given him a final chance and he blew it for her.

That's the impression that I got, of course it could be exactly what he stated, she wants him to move out for a while. But I thought the undertone was that she was complementing divorcing him. Which I guess she have to be doing if she's wanting him to move out for even a bit.

I dunno, any else feel the same way? It'd also be a good twist and I really think HRG needs to lose his family ties as he tries to protect his family in the only way he knows. Seems fitting, poetic to me even ^^

I really liked that part of the episode. It's just another thing in the story building up to the future in Five Years Gone.

She probably is divorcing him, eventually he'll realize what he's doing is wrong and he'll become the guy from FYG helping protect specials.

when he was telling claire what happened, i couldn't think about anything but "wow, I've never seen HRG look so... weak."
it was kind of sad. I hated HRG ever since he did the whole sylar/elle thing, but now I just feel bad for him. poor guy.

the second they started fighting though, my first thought was divorce. Thats what I would have done if I was sandra. She's always being lied to.


edit: i just realised, Jack Coleman is SUCH a good actor.

i did like the "looking at the ring" scene,it shows his own self doubt and maybe even a bit self hate like "oh boo hoo hoo ,i don't deserve my wife ..." and so forth. but i do think that they are "nuclear" family of the show and that there is salvation for their relationship in the near future.

It would be about time. I love HRG, but Sandra has played ignorant and weak on-and-off for way too long.

There's room at my place for him...

On a serious note, this does look like the start of the path to 5YG. And I just loved HRG's reaction to "welcome to Costa Verde." It seemed so...resigned. Like he knew he had to move on. Made me sad.

Divorce would be logical. There's one thing against it, though -- volume structure. NBC, Kring, & Co. seem hell bent on crafting self-contained volumes with as few left overs as possible to allow for maximum viewership. The Bennets are the nuclear family. Granted they could explain away divorce with exposition dialogue in Volume 5. But, that might lead to questions they don't want to face, given the narrative mandate. I could be wrong. But, my guess is that they'll figure out a way to move the family forward through this as a family in the end.

It's all going to lead to this huge epiphany where the light shines from the heavens and he realizes the right thing to do, and that is to help the specials. Five Years Gone episode is beginning to come back to me, I kindof liked that HRG actually.

And yes, we all know what a ****** amazing actor this man is.

Things have finally come to a breaking point. Noah's been in a situation of doing bad things to keep his family for quite some time, and lying about it, but Sandra and Claire aren't gonna put up with it anymore (I don't know how Lyle feels about it). Seems pretty clear Sandra and Noah are separated for the time being, but I don't think it's to the point of divorce yet. Noah's got a chance to change the direction of his life and make things right. I think in time, the family will come back together.

Anyways, it should be quite exciting to see what Noah does without his family as the excuse.

I dunno. I don't think they'll be getting a divorce; I just think they need their space so that he can work things out and figure out what it is that he really wants to do.

Yelling and lying do not automatically lead to divorce. Sandra loves her husband. She is very upset with him at the moment and for good reason. He needs to learn that he can trust her. She has been more than patient and faithful. I hope HRG can get it through his head that she is on his side because she wants to be, not because she has to be.

She loves him, but they've already been through a lot in just the last seven months. And yes, it would help with leading toward the FYG future (interesting points in bold):

FUTURE MR. BENNET: I've done my best to provide that for you. But people are starting to ask questions. Now I am trying to control the information, but it's not safe here anymore.

FUTURE CLAIRE (AKA SANDRA): I've been hiding for five years. California, Nevada.

FUTURE MR. BENNET: I brought you back to Midland.

FUTURE CLAIRE (AKA SANDRA): Only after Mom left.

You are definately right but I think we can agree on the fact that everyone has its limits and that noah overdid it many times.

You can forgive and forgive and rinse and repeat but if you get dissappointed everytime through the same things for years and see that all you get in return for the support you are showing is another excuse and another disappointment everytime you say "ok lets try this again", then sooner or later you will feel VERY tired/exausted as also feel as if you were trapped with your back on a wall.

Under these facts in that case, I also believe that Sandra is totally fed up and can't get it anymore.
It hurts the most when you put so much trust and support into a person that actually shows that it doesn't trust you enough to let you know the truth but instead keeps lying and lying day in, day out and we all know that nobody can take such a pain forever.

Well, we always have the shades of grey on Heroes. Both Sandra and Noah are right. Sandra deserves honesty but knowledge puts her (and Lyle) in danger. That's just an unfortunate fact. And unlike Claire, she and Lyle don't have a power to protect her. At this point, I think the best solution may be for Noah to be honest at all times. And then Sandra needs to decide if she can live with that. Is she more upset at what he is doing or that he is lying to her again? While Sandra has played the devoted, and sometimes gullible, wife and mother, I do think she is a strong enough to handle the situation. She may be the best way Noah can help juggle all the balls he has in the air. I would like to see them working as a team.

As a related aside...have Sandra and Noah ever shared any intimacy (kiss, hug) onscreen? I remember in V2 after he revelead he was alive and had to go back, that he didn't hug or kiss her. It just caught my attention.

I loved Jack Coleman's acting in this episode, especially during the fight with Sandra and the aftermath, his shouting just came out of nowhere, and I NEVER thought he would EVER shout at her like that, then seeing him with his voice breaking and completely subdued was incredible.
I think they DO need to get divorced, it's the next logical step after all he's done, and I think Sandra said it best "STOP USING CLAIRE AS AN EXCUSE!", what he's doing is wrong, no matter how he rationalizes it and he's been doing SO many wrong things using "protecting Claire" as an excuse that somebody needs to put him in his place.
I think he left it pretty clear that they were getting divorced when he said he wasn't looking for a hotel room, but an apartment. KUDOS TO THE WRITERS for this move, because unlike certain things that were done in Volume 3, this is a brave move on their part but it ALSO makes perfect sense, and it also helps doing what they promised would be done in Volume 4, go back to the focus of the show being the HUMAN RELATIONSHIP aspect of the series, which is what endeared everyone to it.
Go, Sandra!

thought it was over dramatized i didn't feel for his character/move out anyway cus he never really lived with the family or showed any love to sandra anyway

With all this talk of the show's budget, it occurred to me that assuming the Bennets divorce, NBC will no longer have to pay AC and RB. Of course, it also means we'd be losing Lestat, too, which would be a bummer.

Aww. Don't say that. BTE told us that Lyle was going to get a story. I'm still looking forward to that.

Lyle's getting a story?
thats unexpected.

Muggles is supposed to get a girlfriend. That's what they said in BTE.

Most, if not all, the answers about Mr. Muggles are jokes.

Of course Mr. Muggles has/is getting a girlfriend. He's a pimp.

It says something that when I read that post I laughed and went "psssh, yeah right".

Poor poor sidelined Lyle.