wolfbro
Feb 23 2009, 11:40 AM
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Zensu14
Feb 23 2009, 07:06 PM
So we are to believe that Matt just left Daphne there? With a super strong doctor and a nurse nearby? Pfft. Nice way to make Matt's character look like a complete ***.
Citizen
Feb 23 2009, 07:20 PM
Matt doesn't know where she is. When did he leave her?
DarkOtep
Feb 23 2009, 07:23 PM
..really?
I was really excited to see Matt, Mohinder, and Peter ready to start laying some smack down. They were kidnapped because of their abilities when all they've ever done is try to help people (ok maybe not mohinder) and Matt at least was willing to get his hands dirty interrogating HRG but Mohinder was just wishy washy the whole time. On top of that Peter got the chance to atleast have some words with the two men behind the whole shebang (Nathan and Danko) and he just... doesn't do anything. I mean I understand peter's character is a good person at heart, but why are you going to go to this guy's apartment if you are not willing to throw down and DO something. Its not even as though he attempted to get answers for what was going on!
::sigh:: I'm a big fan since the first episode premiered...I sat through season two, had my hopes dashed with volume three...and it seems like volume four is just not delivering once again.. I just don't understand...
Zensu14
Feb 23 2009, 07:27 PM
QUOTE (Citizen @ Feb 23 2009, 09:20 PM)

Matt doesn't know where she is. When did he leave her?
Matt was last with her when she got shot. So it's implying that he just left her there.
conspiracytheory
Feb 23 2009, 07:38 PM
I haven't seen the entire episode, but I've still got a negative review:
Of the fifty-one Heroes episodes I've seen thus far, this is the only one during which I've fallen asleep. Completely failed to grab me in the first twenty minutes, and after that I guess I was out like a light.
"Company Man" this one was not.
rayne
Feb 23 2009, 07:52 PM
the only negative thing i have to say is, it was too short i want more than an hour
NeoPhoenix
Feb 23 2009, 10:11 PM
Yet ANOTHER plot involving a huge explosion? Come on... I audibly groaned as soon as I saw the painting.
EyeOfHarmony
Feb 23 2009, 10:28 PM
QUOTE (conspiracytheory @ Feb 23 2009, 09:38 PM)

I haven't seen the entire episode, but I've still got a negative review:
Of the fifty-one Heroes episodes I've seen thus far, this is the only one during which I've fallen asleep. Completely failed to grab me in the first twenty minutes, and after that I guess I was out like a light.
"Company Man" this one was not.
Yep, I found myself fighting the zzzz's during this one.
I mean, they spent all that time to prove what I pretty much already assumed about Noah's feelings toward his new "assignment". Thought they were going to delve deeper into his past (we know some of it, but there is more they could uncover).
I figured they wouldn't kill Daphne off so easily. No surprise there.
And I think the whole "there has to be some sort of explosion (for real, in a painting, etc.,)" is becoming some form of a joke.
Definitely my least favorite episode from ALL of the seasons.
I think they will redeem themselves, though, with the next few episodes. Hell, they better!
Danxcore
Feb 23 2009, 10:31 PM
the only thing that bothered me was how the painting on the floor dried fast enough for matt to walk on it
;p
Lelouch
Feb 23 2009, 11:12 PM
QUOTE (DarkOtep @ Feb 23 2009, 07:23 PM)

..really?
I was really excited to see Matt, Mohinder, and Peter ready to start laying some smack down. They were kidnapped because of their abilities when all they've ever done is try to help people (ok maybe not mohinder) and Matt at least was willing to get his hands dirty interrogating HRG but Mohinder was just wishy washy the whole time. On top of that Peter got the chance to atleast have some words with the two men behind the whole shebang (Nathan and Danko) and he just... doesn't do anything. I mean I understand peter's character is a good person at heart, but why are you going to go to this guy's apartment if you are not willing to throw down and DO something. Its not even as though he attempted to get answers for what was going on!
::sigh:: I'm a big fan since the first episode premiered...I sat through season two, had my hopes dashed with volume three...and it seems like volume four is just not delivering once again.. I just don't understand...
I was almost thinking Peter might touch Danko and discover he actually has an ability himself, but instead nothing really happened there. Oh well at least he shot him before flying off.
The only part that was kind of annoying is how they seem to be throwing Mohinder back into working for the other side with the whole researching for a way to remove ablities from people. I was hoping he would be more on the front lines fighting now that he has an ability himself.
Crichton
Feb 23 2009, 11:53 PM
Wow, What a snoozefest.
So Parkman can trap people inside their own minds and pull out thoughts but he can't "mask" them in a hotel room from a bunch of swat thugs? Lame. I was waiting for a cool payoff like the SWAT team takes the cleaning crew away thinking they are Parkman and crew. But I guess that would make too much sense.
Oh yeah and it REALLY bothers me that Daphne got shot. The second she heard a gunshot she should have been able to pinpoint where it came from and MOVE. Again, lame.
Another moment ruined was that NOBODY told Danko that Nathan had powers too!! They could have TOTALLY screwed him over. I guess they are trying to be subtle with him asking Nathan how he got there so fast. If he truly did have him under surveillance he would already know. Nathan's not smart enough to NOT use his ability.
ShinyHunter
Feb 24 2009, 06:17 AM
First of all Matt is a cop, something I thought he forgot about until he mentioned it in the episode himself. So having said that you'd think, out of the three of them, he'd be the one to have the most experience when dealing with SWAT team type units and how they operate. But he acts like an idiot. Oh what's that? We're hiding from Nathan? Nathan who's secret service was easily able to locate a 17 year old girl in a library and who's goon squad is trained for nothing but locating specials? I know! Let's get angry and throw each-other into mirrors at this quiet hotel in the middle of the night! Good plan there Matty.
The fact that they did the flash-backs for Noah in black and white. It just reminded me of all those comedy movies which do sequels and try to re-capture the glory of the jokes from the original by harshly forcing the exact same jokes into new dialogue. Company Man was great. Don't taint it this way.
Matt can paint the future for some reason now. And paint it well I might add. Okay, that's fine. For the most part I accepted this aspect of the show because I enjoyed the mystery that goes into figuring out exactly what each painting means. But then Matt paints a mural on the floor the exact same way as in S1?? Really? I mean really?
I know the writers said they were going to get back to similar themes as S1. Looks like they took to that a little too literally.
DrStrange
Feb 24 2009, 07:02 AM
I loved a lot of this, and then the ending happened. It all turned sour. I was so looking forward to a character driven plot with results that didn't end in national or global catastrophe. Maybe I'll get half my wish.
patdzon
Feb 24 2009, 07:09 AM
What a bore fest. First NY, now DC!?!? Come on!
hollylime
Feb 24 2009, 07:34 AM
Ok, I don't know if this counts as totally negative but here was my one big complaint: why were the three of them acting like such immature, unintelligent babies?
They just went after Noah, head-first with all their baby-anger flaring. As adults, I would think they would all realize they have to grow up and handle this situation like what they are: hunted animals.
If someone is hunting you and you don't know who or why, then you learn all you can in SECRECY before you make a move. That wasn't secrecy! Seriously, have they never seen a spy movie? You watch and wait, and maybe when you are ready to make a move you begin making silent, covert moves such as messing with the enemy's intelligence.
Who is "rebel"? Who is feeding claire info? If it's not Noah, then it's someone with a brain that at least Peter and Matt now need to take some serious lessons from.
Stop making them act like big, unintelligent babies and let's see them show some heroic intelligence, foresight and planning!
SuperT
Feb 24 2009, 08:49 AM
I really hated how this tried to be a lesser knock-off of Company Man. I liked it, but that still irked me.
And then the ending was just - UGH! The episode was great right up until the end where they revealed the bomb picture on the floor. It was like right at the last second a new writer came in and just wrote the ending. That completely wrecked it for me.
Totally stupid.
Imthehero
Feb 24 2009, 09:19 AM
I loved this episoide, but why oh why didnt they end it with Noah giving the watch back. Awesome episode, and then it seems like they just used duct tape to ghetto rig that painting ending onto a great episode, and tarnished it in the process. Sure, it isnt company man (good lord, must we compare every ep to the best Heroes ep ever?), but I was very impressed with the character development, and explanation of what happened. Anyone that was bored by it needs to get glasses. That said, I will be ignoring the DC explosion painting (and this is the last I will ever mention it) and pretending it never happened, unless in the next episode they explain away some of the dumbness.
daDoctah
Feb 24 2009, 09:36 AM
No Claire, no Sylar, no Hiro and Ando. And for the first time in quite a while, no new characters either with or without powers.
Bad case of dramatic claustrophobia.
MagnificoG
Feb 24 2009, 12:17 PM
I had many, many likes about this episode that were all crushed under the weight of ANOTHER BOMB plot. God. I don't even know... So they fired Loeb and Alexander because they resisted another Bomb plot or what? Fail.
DrStrange
Feb 24 2009, 12:45 PM
Oh and another thing
If Matt and Peter do wind up blowing up DC, then they become the very thing they told everyone they weren't. Terrorists. Duh.
TessaBlues
Feb 24 2009, 12:57 PM
The ending was the only thing that felt tacked on. Did it ruin a awesome episode as a whole? Not at all. The episode was very good. Still some of what heppened last night seems to pointing towards the 5YG aspects of the future.
conspiracytheory
Feb 24 2009, 06:35 PM
The Mohinder and Matt fights (physical and verbal) were laughable. The "DC explosion" painting was laughable. The comparisons to Company Man are laughable. The whole episode was at once a brilliant comedy and a subpar drama. I fell asleep on Monday night and nearly repeated the performance an hour ago as I gave it a second chance. If future episodes are similarly vapid, I'll be forced to relegate Heroes to background viewing. =/
Merovingian
Feb 24 2009, 07:57 PM
Alright. Imo, Heroes have jumped the shark! Yet another explosion? This whole episode showed almost no plot development, other than a new explosion that's gonna take place.
Joshman12
Feb 24 2009, 08:18 PM
I think we ought to give the ending a chance. I'm sure the writers have somewhere they are going with this which will explain away the seeming sillyness of the episode. I have to say I actually laughed when I saw the painting on the ground, I thought it was pretty funny for them to resort back to that, but even so, it will be intresting to see if its even a hero that explodes this time. We'll see what happens. I trust the writers to come through for us.
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