I guess that could drive a man to want to be special...

So head slicing is a family thing. Kinda crazy. Are they leading us to believe it's repressed memories or an example of boys becoming there fathers that led to the head slicing in the first place?

This was by far my favorite flashback ever. Yes even better than Company man.

I would almost agree that this seems awkward... but those repressed memories probably affected how he uses his power

whoaaaaa. sylar's parts were awesome

so is the head slicin TK or something else that Sylar used his EM to acquire from daddy?

I liked this very much, and it explains a lot. And I also liked the fact that he didn't kill Luke; that would've been the predictable thing to do.

that was so sad... at first I thought the dad was selling him because he thought he was to dangerous to have a kid, and then when we found out the woman that he killed was the mom?
wow wow wow.

That's definately why sylar's crazy. repressed momories.
thats so sad =[


I knew he wasn't- if he killed luke he would be doing the same thing as his father
and now he hates his father

I'm glad for this episode. I still don't quite understand his obsession with his father, but if they make what happens to him thus far stick, and I mean actually stick, then I will keep the growing amount of respect that I have for him at this point. The fact that he has family issues is good because now he can grow as a character. When he was just a psycho, I didn't care and it was stale; pretty much I wanted him dead. But seeing as how this may not be the case, I think that giving him roots, a credible past, and growing humanity is a step in the right direction. He can still be bad, but give him a reason please

I almost got emotional watching that part... poor Sylar... give Peter a hug (so he can take your powers!! haha...j /k)

I agree 100% Brennan. Very well said!

I wonder if his dad is another with multiple powers, including the power we saw in the GN, to change the appearance of ones age.

Just makes the meeting of Papa Gray even more tempting.

I want to see that reunion even more now. I just wish that Sylar had sawed open Luke before he left. A nice power for Sylar, and we'd be rid of him. Whiny little punk.

I agree.

Thanks bhero!

And I don't think we'll be seeing Luke anymore. Once again, Sylar not killing someone is a step in the right direction. That's what we expected because that's what Sylar does, but by him letting the kid live (for whatever reason) it shows that he's growing as a character. Plus, it's nice for a character to leave the show without dying... It's very refreshing.

sylar had other things on his mind n didnt want to bother with gettin another ability n thats cool. sylar killin everyone for their ability get boring.

My guess is Sylar's dad sold him to protect him from his own "Hunger" and that Primatech was waiting for Sylar to manifest powers to see if he had the Hunger like his father...

Or:

He is a real big jerk that likes money and hates kids!

That's what I think...or at least he felt he was too dangerous to take care of a kid with his hunger

I don't think Papa Gray has Intuitive Aptitude, I think he's just got telekinesis. It would explain why that power stayed with Sylar after the Shanti virus. It connects him with his father.

My only problem with this is that when Sylar went to see his adoptive father a couple of episodes ago the man said that Sylar was given to him as a baby and Sylar is not a baby in the diner.

It all depends on your definition of "baby"... "baby" to the adoptive dad could be any little kid... I dunno, just theorizing..

Could be, but Sylar hadn't manifested yet. Remember, he was on a list of people that were set to manifest based on Dr. Chandra Suresh's research into the dna of certain people he had a list of... Maybe he manifested early, but I think the writers even stated the remorse he felt for the first killing is the deep empathetic link to that ability...

Anyways, it is just a theory until we get more answers...

yeah I was wondering about that too. I guess what MikeMc said. It depends on hoe you define baby. I thought he looked about 5 or 6, too old to be a baby, but what do I know...

On another note, who would win in a fight: Little Sylar or Little Hiro?

thats a good question. haha thay both seem pretty wimpy to me, actually =]

In the show, neither of the two little boys had had their powers manifest yet, so it just depends on who would bludgeon who properly.

Off the record...Little Sylar.

anyone notice that little was was wearing horn rimmed glasses! Nice shout out to his later "relationship" (haha) with HRG

Wow, Samson Gray is even worse than I previously thought! Not only did he sell his son, but he also killed his wife/Sylar's mom?!?!? Why would he do theses things? Poor little Gabriel.

And it seems Samson killed Gabriel's mom the same way Sylar kills his victims. Guess it runs in the family and maybe these latent memories of his mom's death influenced how Sylar cam about. Wonder if Samson had Intuitive Aptitude with the hunger and what not and had gained telekinesis from someone, just like Sylar. Maybe it's something a bit different. Gotta wait and see. The similarity seen so far is a bit eerie.

Haha, hopefully his part on the show is over. It was a sucky power anyway. Sylar could of done what the kid does with electricity, and faster too. Elle in Ireland to the pub guy.

Sylar's Parts have always been awesome

Agreed.

It also shows us that Sylat doesn't want to be like his father and that he's still hoping that he doesn't have to.

Our boy seems to be all grown up now.

But if this influenced him to become a psycho killer, than why did he believe that Angela was his mother?

He most likely does have IA. Sylar's whole reason for cutting open people's heads was (in season one, anyway), after all, to get a better view to 'study' the brain (even though it's become something else entirely in later seasons... I mean, these days he doesn't even do it properly; just cuts open the front of the skull).

Seems like a somewhat wierd thing to do if you just want to kill the person in question, doesn't it?
Never understood why Peter felt the need to do it, either. The Hunger was supposed to be a hunger for knowledge/power, not a hunger for cutting the front of people's heads open.

I still think the kid's gonna end up being Sylar's brother in the end.

I don't think it's one or the other. I think it's a combination of both, to be honest.


Agreed 100%


Also agreed 100%


Good gods, I hope not.

To quote myself from last week

I posted this in the Negatives reviews thread, but I thought I'd share it here too.

For a change, I actually liked Sylar's scenes tonight and was happy they didn't let him kill off Luke. The one thing that I hate though is that they're trying to use Sylar's father as an excuse for him being bad.

His dad killed his mother, yes that is bad, but that doesn't negate or erase the fact that Sylar himself has killed dozen's of innocent people including the "mother" that raised him.

I just can't find myself being sympathetic to a cold-blooded, unrepetent killer. He wants to get revenge on his father, but who's going to be the one to exact revenge, and it's justifiable at this point, on Sylar for the wrongs he's done?! If the writers are going to give Sylar's father his comeuppance, they need to give Sylar his.

"Unrepentant" is something I can't give you. From our introduction to Sylar we have also been given his whole "Gahhh why am I such a nutto?" stuff.


And..why does any one HAVE to get what they deserve? I don't think they are having Sylar want to kill his father because his father is "bad". Sylar is just really, really and understandably angry with his father. When Sylar gets a grudge against someone, as we saw with Arthur Petrelli for example, he wont rest until he either feels better about it or is near death in someway.

On an unrelated note, what the heck does Sylar say to Luke after Luke says "You're not going to kill me?" ? For the life of me I can't figure it out.




Only he took Brian Davis's name and number at random. He just grabbed the post it note and left.

sylar is a sociopath,having pops be a moody bad man shouldn't somehow make sylar a redeemable victim suddenly.i would think better storyline would be for sylar to get his come uppance or to fade away like unabomber tried to do.but i am not up for "oh poor child abused finds redemption" turn.

This x 1000.

I'm getting really tired of seemingly everyone on this show being related in some way.

Exactly.

Sylar's father being a nutjob doesn't redeem Sylar in anyway, nor make him the victim. The fact is, he still killed plenty of people for no logical reason.

Why are people so quick to assume that just because Sylar experienced some nasty stuff in his childhood, that it means his actions are justified? They're NOT and it was no where even hinted that they would or should be. This isn't a redemption storyline.

Not a justification, but it can explain alot - the no value of human life, anger issues etc.

In this episode, I found, Sylar was really relatable. Makes me feel queesy still, but yeah. One can assume his father was an abuser at least to his wife, ending with her dead and little Gabriel sold off like cattle. Quite traumatic.

I think killing his dad wouldn't resolve his issues though. There's a quote I can't quite remeber, but it's something like "to forgive is to give to yourself" and "forgiveness doesn't mean I want them over for dinner". And "holding on to hate of someone is like drinking poison and wishing they would die".Anyone that has experienced abuse can understand this (I hope)...

Yikes, quite emotional.

Morena, I agree 100%.

No one is claiming Sylars daddy issues excuse him from anything. How do we have people complaining about somthing when no one has voiced anything even close to that rhetoric? He is a villain, and we are finding out about his back story. It isnt gonna make Sylar a Hero, it is just giving us information, and developing Sylars character a bit.

I dont think anyone is "trying to forgive him", and no one has "forgotten about the dozens he's killed", we just already know about that part of Sylar, so we are looking foward to seeing a new side of him displayed.

My only issue with this theory is that Sylar presumably has not been near his father for over two decades. Sylar did not start to manifest his intuitive aptitude until his later years. How can he hold on to a power if his own intuitive aptitude hasn't even surfaced to accept it in the first place?

I still stand by the notion that Sylar still has TK because it's the power that he uses most. It has an emotional attachment to him. There are studies on serial killers proving that they have a profound emotional attachment to each of their victims. I would reason that this is why the ability stays with him post Shanti Virus.

Or maybe the guy he remembers selling him wasn't his real father, but someone his real father sold him to even earlier, when he was a baby?

(This whole thing is a little "on the nose" for me anyway. By pure coincidence, Sylar and Luke just "happen" to pass by the boarded-up diner where little Gabriel's father just "happened" to sell him just moments before he just "happened" to kill his mommy? Big turning points like that don't cluster in real life. And the bit with the toy car so he could positively confirm that this was the same place without remembering any specific trauma until later?)

Yes, but the the way they have been pushing Sylar story-arc, ever since the beginning of season three, to try and make people feel sympathetic to a serial killer. Especially with "the hunger" and now with the family issues.

It's like they are force feeding the whole "Oh poor Sylar, he's so messed up all because of his father! He didn't mean to kill all those people!"

No, Daddy Sylar gave him to his brother, then needed the money, and so he collected him to sell him off at age six. (I cannot tell a kid's age it could have been six, seven or something. Not sure on that point.)

That would explain Sylar's bio-mum freaking out. Sylar's dad told her they were going to pick him up and keep him. Then she realized that he lied, and sold their son off...

Simple, really.

I Really don't get this argument. This background on Sylar, doesn't change my opinion on him :: He is Still a serial-killer! Providing "reasons" as to why he kills doesn't change one darn little Truth :: He Has Murdered People.

That having been said :: We needed the background on this character. Just because he has had a torured life doesn't excuse his actions, but it does explain why he is the way he is. This is a Good thing. Isn't it?

ROFL That's not how most people see it.

It's possible to sympathize with a villain without justifying his sins.

His family issues are not supposed to be any justification and this, as I said, is not supposed to be a redemption storyline.

Yeah, I'm not seeing this as any sort of redemption for Sylar or supposed to make us sympathetic to a murderer. We're just learning more background and getting to better understand what made him into the monster that he is. People are the way they are for a reason.

Exactly. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. And this is certainly more interesting than Sylar continuing an endless quest for powers.

I was thinking perhaps Sylar's mother was having an affair on the father. When he found out he might have doubted Sylar's paternity (no tests in those days) so he killed the mother and sold the son. Of course we now know Sylar mus be his son because they have similar powers but at the time it could have been doubtful.