So, does anyone really believe that Doyle has changed? That look he gave Claire before he walked off pretty much said "I told you what I needed to in order for you to not throw me to the dogs". But, he also refrained from killing the female agent when he could (can't remember her name), and he didn't know that Claire was there to help him yet... I'm torn on whether to believe he's turned a new leaf or not...

Maybe Sylar "flipped a switch" in his brain when he took him down before.

He's the subject of this week's GN (done by Beeman, who directed this week's ep), so we'll see.

I believe he has changed because he could have easily killed that chick from the recruit.

I think he may have changed but, I also think the writers like to keep us guessing. All he had to say to Claire is yes "I've changed" but he just smiled, making us wonder.

..the smirk, at the end, says it all

i dont think he changed cos that'll ruin his character....well thats opinion anyways

Hehe, moral ambiguity.

The smirk was perfect

Show's you dont' have to be so obvious to pull someone strings

That was no Rachel Mills

It was rachel with the same agent as partner and the same outfit I think she had in the previous episode.

When he had her immobilized I was like "Teleport behind him to surprise him!!" but since he obviously would had blocked her ability it wouldn't had take anyway.

Was happy to see doyle again and in action.

The smirk at the end gave me hopes that he won't totally change even he obviously did a bit already because when he started the whole "I'm redeamed now" in front of sandra and claire I was like: Noooooooooooo, not you aswell.

After reading the GN this scene takes on a whole new meaning.

i dont think hes changed he prob let rachel live so they dont think he is a killer but doyle was awesome cya barbie

did anyone catch the new ID Doyle got from Claire? I missed it when they zoomed in on the paperwork. I'm curious what his new name/ID is since Doyle's webisode series in the works picks up from this point.

i think the episode showed that he has changed because he is scared to death of leaving any evidence pointing to himself.but i am sure he is still an immoral person who, in the future,will revert to his old ways.

his new first name is definitely jason and second name begins with T

i wonder if claire becomes evil in the end and maybe if she does doye might have something to do with it or not lol

Jason Tyminski = new 'Doyle' name (from Admin. of HeroesWiki via twitter)

yes u are correct thanks XD

At the end of the episode when Claire asks Doyle if he really meant what he said, he smirks. Great moment. But at the bottom of the screen it says "See all of Doyle's video diaries at nbc.com."

We're still waiting for those, right? I haven't seen much mention of them. I'm guessing those aren't the new webisodes as the crawl acts as if they are up now.

I agree.
He's The Puppet-Master.
He doesn't just need his power to make people do what he wants them to do. x3

i have a feeling he will be back this season to repay/save Claire for the help. Claire is building up her connections.

Maybe he'll become Claire's equivalent to the Haitian. She is getting to be rather like Angela, after all.

That would make two ruined former villains.

yh i know id prefer doyle to stay as a villain more suspense XD

this is so true. she doesn't have an organised agenda really but she is coming to be more and more like angela without realising it and guys like doyle could possibly be allied to her in a very loose sort of way.

yh i completely agree angels is a rare talent

i'm mad that in Heroes redemption is just a pass for the wicked...

Doyle was a serial killer and rapist, he was sick, and just cause he feels he paid his dues, (l5 prison for a few years) he is exempt and deserves a fresh start. There is no justice in this act, claire should have stuck to her guns and not helped him, karma sometimes strikes at odd times..for doyle it was learning that the evil he'd done prevented him from starting over. He's not like sylar who is under the influence of his pwer to kill, by compulsion he can't control. Doyle always made his own decisions and he chose to use his power to murder, steal, and rape..and because he doesn't want to be hunted and locked away for his crimes that he deserves to be helped.

i'm glad the writers feel that this kind of person needed a pass, the only redemption doyle should have is inner self reflection and forgiveness, for his crimes he still comitted and he indeed deserves punishment for his actions.

So it is alright for him to be imprisoned because he was born a certain way, because he is a "bad person"?

That is a dangerous line to be hopscotching over lol

anyone checked nw spoilers out apparently in a promo pic doyle is captured as it shows his well stomach

Yes, he has been a bad person, a very bad one at that. It's certainly alright for him to be imprisioned - he should be locked up for life for just the crimes we know he has committed. Just because he now feels bad for those crimes doesn't erase the fact he willingly and wantonly hurt innocent people.

yh i know i agree even though if sylar's powers werent the cause of his murders id still wouldnt mind letting him off hahaha but in real life no way!

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I think Doyle has potential to do good, but his reasons are shady. He might have truly had a coming of age. But then again Sylar tried to be good and it didn't work out so well.

doyle didn't even have a righteous reason to become good, he just got to the point where he became mentally exhausted from his routine murder/rape/theiving that he decided to do something that made him as happy, and that was entertaining children. THen he gets caught and he decides that its better to do some good than be hunted for crimes he has committed.

There is a big difference between doyle and the other heroes, he's not being hunted for what he may do with his powers, he's being hunted for what he has done with them. He is the reason that the HEBs are being hunted, those like him who do whatever they want cause they have abilities. He's the guy that deserves to be locked up and if he continues to be given a free pass, he is furthering the ideals that HEBs are terrorist.

yeah, doyle should be locked up. but, not by whoever's locking up the people with powers right now. i am glad that at least claire understands that distinction.

I agree.

While I certainly agree that he (and others like him) should be incarcerated, isolated, punished and so on for the crimes he has committed, I disagree that that should be done merely because he's an EH and has a power, as a victim of what amounts to genocide (for Danko, anyway). If he's going to be incarcerated, isolated, punished and so on, it should be because of the crimes he's committed, nothing else.

For that reason, it would be a tough call if I were supposed to help him. No one would deserve that. He's a bad guy, but even he doesn't deserve to be hunted down like a dog just because he's an EH with a power (no matter how dangerous that power is)... especially if he really is trying to change.

Doyle will never change .. notice his smirk? ..he's a master manipulator ..almost, almost believable ..esp. that one tear

Can't wait to see those webisodes.

yeah i cannot wait either, no heroes this week