So, are Hiro's powers actually back, or was that all a result of the baby? Can he at least stop time now without the baby?

If I had to guess I'd say he still can.

I mean it's not like the toys or TV turned off after the baby stopped touching them.

I suspect it's just step 1. Ando will have to do something too. Maybe when he zaps him and knocks him out... it continues the process.

I think he can stop time now but no teleporting because it takes more power? What if ando touched baby, baby touched hiro? Maybe amplified touch and go baby would bring back all of hiro's powers.

Yeah, Hiro has part of his powers back... it's like the TV, Matt Jr. turns it on and can be carried away from the TV and it remains on. Jr. "turned on" Hiro's time stopping ability, so until someone "turns it off" again (don't really know if that's possible... Baby Touch & Stop?), Hiro has his abilities again.

thank god hiro was getting lame with out some of his power back even though like peter they didnt give his whole power back.

yeah it looks like he is back to being able to access his powers again. i suppose another event will spark a fuller range in his ability control

It would seem that Matt Jr. "activated" only his time stopping (or slowing way down, to be technical). I'm assuming the "activation" is permanent.

I wonder if Hiro can keep it when Matt Jr. isn't around or if Matt Jr. can "deactivate" it.

I also wonder if Matt Jr. can "activate" his teleportation and time traveling (one at a time?), as well.

I think he'll hold onto the time stopping w/o Matt Jr. and I'm gonna guess that will be all he gets back like Peter's limited power. I'm more OK with a scaled down Hiro than I thought I would be.

Hiro can probably only control the speed of time, without the baby, and that's probably the only thing he'll be able to do, imo. Why, you ask? Time travel is a headache for the writers to deal with, and so they used a convenient change in plot to have some sort of compromise. Same thing they did with the "Peter as a god" thing.

So much of what goes on in this show is not something logical or explainable within the story. A lot of it has to do with the writers.

I'll be surprised if he gets back time travel and teleportation, actually.

I can see them keeping time travel away from him, but I don't see a problem with teleportation. I guess they don't want other prisoners freed yet.

In my honest opinion, I don't think that Ando will have much to do with getting Hiro's full powers back than he already has. My theory is that Hiro actually does have all his abilities back, but he has to let go of his mother, something that is hindering him, to get them back. But that's just my 2 cents.

btw: YIPPE!!! HIRO PARTIALLY HAS HIS POWERS BACK YAY!!!

Great to see Hiro with his powers back to some degree. Time-stopping has always been an enjoyable effect to me, and I think it messes really well with Hiro's personality. And I really like how it was brought back into the story with Matt Parkman Jr. It was so funny seeing Hiro realize he couldn't teleport! And then he tried to teach the baby to Yatta! XD He had to wheelbarrow Ando like 12 miles with time stopped! That's some dedication. Woohoo, Hiro! YATTA!

I think he'll get his time travel ability back. It's all part of the same ability. At first, Hiro could stop time, then he could use that control to bend time and space to teleport and time travel. Later, he learned to move time forwards and backwards. I'm guessing his power will evolve back to where it was before.

Totally agree about the writer comment though. For Season 2 and Season 3 so far, the writers have kept Peter, Sylar and Hiro de-powered at various times or kept them apart from the other main characters because it pretty much seemed like they didn't know what to do with them. I am hopeful that with Fuller back on the writing staff, they will be more willing to take on these challenges instead of running from them. There are plenty of things they could do with these characters without de-powering them. Time travel will stay in the show in some format. They use time travelers, precogs and the precog dreamers to set up their storylines about how the world needs to be saved. I don't seem them totally abandoning time travel.

Wrong. The first time we ever saw Hiro use his power was to time travel.

It was? I thought it was the scene where he slowed down time, by concentrating on the clock, in his office wasn't it?

Close, but he did actually move the second hand back a little bit.

It went back? Ok then, I conceed.

That was the first time we witnessed him using his power, but afterwards he admitted to Ando that he thinks he also made the train late, so which power would that have been? Also, Baby Matt wasn't affected by the Timestop. Has that ever happened to anyone with Hiro before (not including people that shared the ability of course)? If not, that would be an expansion of his gift at the same time it's reduced, leading me to believe this is all he will be left with.

I think it's actually pretty simple. Hiro's powers are composed of two different powers: space manipulation and time manupulation. He just got back time manipulation (stopping time). Space manipulation (teleporting) is not activated. Space + Time manipulation = time travel. If he doesn't have both powers, he can't time travel.

Works for me. The time manipulation was messing with the storylines and creating plot holes anyway.

So you're excluding the two incidents before it where he briefly stops the clock from ticking, and he teleports in to the ladies room?

Moved the clock hands backward, didn't just slow/stop them.

I don't have to discount anything. I'm simply pointing out facts.

Reversing time would be an instance of "time manipulation," not "time travel". Like with "time stopping" or slowing time (way) down, he doesn't fold space / time (and he doesn't "travel" or "move" through time) like he does when he actually "time travels". He manipulates time when he reverses it, just like when he stops it and slows it down, he doesn't manipulate (move) himself through time (by folding it).

thank god we finally got to see him get his powers back masi said this in an interview too XD and i wish he gets all his powers back just as some have mentioned ways above

I was thinking about what Hiro could do now that he can't teleport through time and space. He can obviously slow time down to a crawl again so maybe he can do the 'rewind the bullet back in the gun' trick as well. And if he can do that maybe he can also do one of these things:

* Hiro can rewind or fastforward the world around him. This means that he can close his eyes and appear in the same place an hour into the past or the future. This opens up different possibilities:
- Hiro's past/future self (wherever he is) disappears (or Hiro doesn't have a future self since he's been gone the last hour). There can be only one Hiro! (So it's a good thing he can't rewind for months or years at a time.)
- Hiro's past/future self remains. Which means Hiro can timeclone himself!

* Hiro can rewind or fastforward "in his head". This means that he can close his eyes and fastforward an hour into the future where he is kneeling in a parking lot next to a dead Ando and is shot in the back then rewind back an hour to where Ando is alive and there is no bullet wound.

I'd go for this. At least this way he can't bodily interfere with what is going to happen. It does sort of make him a precog though but that fast-forward/rewind the world thing you mentioned just sounds like a different way to say time travel

Didn't the writers at some point say that they didn't like messing with Hiro's power because it really convoluted the plot lines? I can imagine it's really hard and takes a lot of scrutinizing to not screw up the story when time travel is involved especially since most people see the 'it's an alternate timeline' explanation as just a cop out.

Well, when I say "in his head" I don't mean he's just seeing it like a precog would, I mean he's actually there, he's jumped into his own body from another time. It is time travel but it's less Back To The Future and more Groundhog's Day.


Right. That's why I wonder if Hiro can do more than freeze time now.

Get outta here with your Bill Murray references! If anything you should be comparing it to Lost where they travel in their minds, that's the way you're suppose to do it. But yeah I see what you mean now. It still poses the same threats though, where Hiro can see and interact with the past/future. Is the Hiro on the subway from S1 the same one who lost his powers through Peter's dad and needed the baby to reactivate them or was that Hiro's timeline totally different?

I'm guessing it will be more of the 'sometimes he can and sometimes he can't' idea. Because to allow him total freedom with his powers again is just crazy. Or like on Lost, he can start getting nose bleeds and losing his mind if he does it too much.

Not everybody follows Lost, including me. And I was going to say The Butterfly Effect but Groundhog's Day was better since it's one day, which is pretty much how I see it working for Hiro to get rid of most complications, like S1 futureHiro.

but that would mean Hiro would be shifting his consciousness through time... which is even more complex than time traveling. and actually, Hiro has already done this. the scene in Villians which showed him manipulating time in his office can mean two different things:

1) he manipulated time around a single object. much like how we rewind a video we're watching, he rewound the clock in front of him (like he rewound the bullet in S1). i think this is just referred to as "chronokinesis".

2) he shifted his consciousness through time, allowing him to go back in time without seeing a past-self because his consciousness would be within his past-self. though, this is only possible within multi-dimensional time-theory, meaning he created a new timeline when he shifted his mind back. but then... who's to say the alternate timeline doesn't just overwrite the previous timeline? so i guess it's also possible within "Back To The Future" time-theory as well.


hmm i could go on and on.. but i probably shouldn't. i guess time travel is complicated because there's so many different theories to play with and the writers can't seem to stick to one!

The writers actually did stick with one. They couldn't have made it clearer.

In films, it's most commonly referred to as the Back To The Future theory. I'm most familiar with it as displayed in A Sound Of Thunder- and it's obvious that the writers have repeatedly, and deliberately, referenced it. (The "butterfly" effect comments, the "hope I don't step on a bug" comments, even the shot of Hiro facing the T-Rex skeleton)

I agree fully, consistent comments were 'no more time travel' (... at least for now). I wonder if coming out of the FHiro's death by FAndo is actually a last chance Ando-charge-up in hopes of restoring time traveling Hiro. That's a shot in a dark, until then it's only time-stopping-diaper-changing Hiro.

Am I the only one who remembers when Future Hiro came back in time to talk to Peter? Remeber what was soooooo cool about it? It was that Hiro took a HUGE risk to see Peter. He warned that he had learnt a lot in 5 years and that his time travel could cause a rip in space and time.

Thats what the writers need to do. They need to show just how risky jumping around in time is.


If you ask me, Hiro should get his time traveling back. Then he should use it with Ando to escape from some crazy situation, only to find that he cause a rip in space and time. This rip could kill Ando and leave Hiro seriously wounded. This would make a very serious impact on Hiro. It would also explain why Hiro could only use time travel as a life or death last resort. One that could get him out of a jam, but out him in an even worse one.

Im really getting tired of some of the cool aspects of this show being ruined by lazy writing.

So, Ando "attacking" Hiro in the future actually doesn't kill him, Ando just 'supercharges' his power and voila, Hiro is back to his old self, that's my two cents.

It sure looked like Ando "attacked" and "hurt" the agents trying to get Baby Matt.

To be honest, you can't have watched the scene and said that.

At best, Ando was acting in self defense.
At worst, Ando was attacking Hiro.

Either way, it was an attack and intended to hurt/injure/kill.

Yeah, but what's stopping him from throwing his ability to supercharge via a bolt? I can't remember the future scene too well, if he did it with an angry look on his face maybe he did mean it to hurt Hiro

yeah but prob in the future he learned how to control his power more and just paralyse the person

an angry look does not necessarily mean hurting someone maybe he was like oh i guess ill have to get the formula by force which is just paralysing him just a theory XD

They were fighting. Whether Ando was being vicious or acting in self defense, he took Hiro out. It wasn't a friendly "here, lemme help out" moment.



Ando had the formula. Hiro wanted it back.

Again, Ando wasn't being nice and polite. Neither was Hiro. It. Was. A. Fight.

one thing that was inconsistent was that before F_Hiro went back to change the future, in the original timeline, Peter didn't meet anyone and Sylar was the one that exploded. then F_Hiro went back, nudged Peter on a different path and he became the bomb.. he explodes, people die, Nathan tells everyone it was Sylar. this means F_Hiro's actions overwrote the original timeline.

also in the original timeline, Sylar killed Claire. F_Hiro changed that when he talked to Peter.. yet everyone in the future still thought Claire was killed by Sylar. even Bennet still thought she was dead! this means that the future was NOT overwritten and somehow morphed around the characters in the future without them knowing (which is completely illogical). it's a direct contradiction of the previous example.

then in S2, during the strike, fans asked "what happened to Caitlyn?" and the writers explained that since Peter left her in the future and went back and changed the future by stopping the virus, she was wiped from existence because she existed in a future that never happened. it was in a BTE i believe if you wanna search for it, but either way they established that Caitlyn is no more, which is a contradiction of what was established in S1. if they had gone with S1 rules, the future would've morphed around her. saying she is gone does not fit with the "Back To The Future Theory".

then again i guess it could, but the only way wiping her out could fit with S1 rules is if everytime F_Hiro went back in time and changed something, the timeline would be overwritten.. but this isn't the case. overwriting timelines would mean that when he returns to the future, he would find a new F_Hiro that exists because P_Hiro's path changed and led him to experience a different future. F_Hiro would time-clone himself everytime he changes the past and that obviously wasn't the case so Caitlyn can't NOT exist without contradicting the theory.

it wasn't until S3 that they started to stick to "Back To The Future" and "butterfly effect" rules, but even then we have complications with Hiro's powers. the scene of him in his office, shifting about in time with great control, makes absolutely no sense because going back in time the way he did would result in colliding with his past-self and future-self, which he obviously did not. the only way this could work is if he was separate from the time-space continuum as he manipulated time, but this is a contradiction to the plot of every season. he could never meet his past-self or future-self because his personal timeline would be separate from the rest of the universe.


eh i think i'm done.

Since they want to keep time travel out of the show I don't think they will give that back to hiro.
At the moment he seems to have only the timestop ability pipers had in charmed with the difference that pipers were more evolved since she were also able to freeze selectively and make things explode too.

Hiro has time-stop, an amazing power! He is once again a master of time. He does not teleport or time travel. And, he will not.

The fans have complained and the writers have had too much difficulty with time travel. So, powers and people have been removed to eliminate the problem. We will not get it (time travel) back anytime soon--maybe never.

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That's your opinion and you're free to it.

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But it would be interesting to see Hiro controlling time without the teleportation aspect.

Hiro sending his mind forward or backward through time (say 4 hours) is no more complicated than sending a whole body back 400 years or putting Peter's entire body into Jesse's body leaving him in control of it. But he wouldn't be sending his brain anywhere, he would be rewinding the universe around it, even the rest of his body. Example: He closes his eyes, concentrates on going back in time, opens his eyes and lo and behold, he's eating waffles with Ando 3 hours ago even though he wasn't aiming to go more than 1 hour. Yatta!

And we have time travel without meeting yourself, without paradoxes and, as far as I can tell, without leaving people stranded in parallell timelines.

EDIT: One problem would of course be like in Click. If say Hiro fastforwards one hour, who was doing the driving that hour in between? If I was writing, I'd have his body go into a coma-like state which would persuade him to think ahead before fastforwarding.

no mate like i said about the thought of ando which was just a guess type thing ("oh i guess ill have to get the formula by force which is just paralysing him") and im right by ando wanted the formula and hiro didnt give him it so you need to get your fax right because ando wanted the formula, whereas hiro had it, that is the reason why ando blasted him to get it off him if you dont believe me go check s03e01 again

I have my facts right.

Hiro: Give me the formula.

Doesn't sound like he had it.

omg dude go check the fricking episode and youll find out hiro has the formula and ando uses his ability to attack him in order to get the formula off of hiro

And we've reached agreement.

No matter what order it happened in, Hiro & Ando fought. There was no intention of simply knocking the other out.


ETA:
According to Heroeswiki, you're right about Hiro having the formula. I'll concede that. However, it was clear to everyone (with the possible exception of you and a minority of others- about the same amount who thought until S3 that Sylar actually ate brains) that Hiro had been killed.
Ando certainly hadn't been concerned about knocking him out.