So, is Ando destined for the future that Hiro saw? He seems to slowly be inching that way, at least power-wise.

Dunno, but I guess that shows he can use his power offensively. So, I don't know if he'll actually kill his friend in the future, but we see he can! But now that Hiro have his powers back, won't zapping him like that will just activate his re-acquired powers?

didn't he kill him in the future for the formula sheet?

that's gone so meh

Yeah, isn't that future long done with?

i do think that that future was affected in such a way that it doesn't ever come to pass.ando's ability may as well progress now.

Another question then, since Ando's ability has evolved to the point that it was in that future, will Hiro (who saw the beam) be more cautious around Ando now since he saw what that F_Ando did to F_Hiro?

The futures we saw in the past 3 Volumes are only half-off. Many people may notice some connections: For exemple, Nathan turning against his kind, people with powers being hunted down, Ando being able to be offensive with his powers, etc. But those are just connections. For exemple, In Five Years Gone, Peter didn't knew the real Nathan turned against his kind, while right now he knows. And, like you said, the formula his out now so, if Ando and Hiro ever fight, it will be for another reason.

The future is never done. That's what makes it the future.

Not what they were saying.

They were pointing out that the future we saw won't happen. It can't now.

We still don't know if that offensive use of Red Lightning Kills or just K.O.'s.! Couldn't they have shown the guy groaning or stone dead, just to settle this dopey argument?

Well if the argument is whether the future we saw we will happen as it did when Hiro visited the future, then there's really no argument. As others have said, it's a moot point because that was an alternate future timeline which was averted with the destruction of the formula and the destruction Pinehearst. In Five Years Gone, Matt Parkman was helping the government, Claire was hiding instead of fighting, etc. Once these alternate futures are changed, then all bets are off as to how the character will develop. So that little scene with Hiro and Ando in the future isn't going to happen because the future has changed. If they were to have another fight in the future, there'd have to be some sort of plot-purpose for it.

Hiro and Ando long ago got over their trust issues. If Hiro still put stock in all the future versions of people he's met, he wouldn't have trusted Matt.

Also, Ando isn't inching towards having that power capability, I'd say he just cleared the final hurdle. Actually the lightning used in the ep was a lot bigger than future Ando's. Probably doesn't mean anything though, just added for the cool affect, just like having the asian guy adopt the haduoken pose the first time he uses his power in that manner

What about the part where we were right about his power and you were wrong.

1: I've been right more than I've been wrong on this show. I don't gloat and I don't post only to hammer into someone that I was right. Interesting that you don't follow the same pattern.
2: I already admitted I was wrong.

Ando totally did a kamehameha.

Ando is Goku and Hiro is Oolong LOL.

I only gloat because you are so stubborn.

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Ando is chargin his lazurs. Good for him.

What if it wasn't Ando killing Hiro for the formula but Ando trying to reactivate his space manipulation so that Hiro could go back and try to save the world from the impending doom of the split earth. The shock was so large that it knocked him out momentarily -- something neither of them expected. Yeah, I know, time travel is messy but do you think that they would care about how messy it is for the writers or the audience who will grown if they see the massive shockwave of death coming? At that point, anything is worth a try. If baby touch and go could activate part of them, then a second enhancement can restore them all -- maybe to the point where Hiro travels through time in a tangible spirit who tries to change the past while his body is stuck in the future -- or the enhancement causes him to go to multiple times at once, splitting him.
Because the future we saw will not take place with the fight for the formula does not mean that some things of it cannot happen. As Hiro has learned, fate has a way of making things happen no matter how much we fight it.

Umm...rewatch the epi. That's all I can say.

At best, Ando was defending himself.
At worst, Ando was attacking Hiro.

There was no time-jump motive involved.

I thought it's pretty cool to finally see this aspect of Ando's new power that we got teased at from the alternate future. So, not only can he supercharge people's abilities, he can also use it as an offensive attack. Turns out his power isn't as useless on his own as Ando thought in "A Clear and Present Danger". Very cool and versatile power. Wonder if we'll come to learn more about how his power works.

As for heading towards the alternate future, the power definitely seems the same, but with Pinehearst and the formula now destroyed, plus Ando hearing about betraying his friend, I'm not thinking Ando would come to turn on Hiro in the future. With how much more we've seen them go through together, I think it'd take something extremely major to turn Hiro and Ando against each other.

well the formula is gone and that plot line is over so i highly doubt the whole ando killing hiro thing would happen, wheter the killing was intended or not.
The future in heroes isn't set in stone. Baby danielle will never happen (since daphne is dead), and baby noah isn't dying (because knox is dead) or he might not even exist (because elle is dead)
So you never really know. I don't think ando's going to kill hiro

I'm expecting Ando to Blast Hiro, but not to attack him. I am predicting they will mimic that scene to an extent, but instead of attacking Hiro, Ando will be trying to "boost" Hiros powers back to fix somthing that has happened, or to teleport to safety, whatever. But mark my words, sooner than later, we will see Ando blast Hiro in a similar fashion as to what we saw in the future.

Alright, with you guys talking about the future in the past 3 seasons you're right to an extant.

In Season 1, when Hiro went to the future he saw the explosion, which was the exploding man (i.e. Peter, Sylar, or maybe even Ted since we don't know exactly what transpired when Hiro first went to the future, since it was before Future Hiro went back in time to warn Peter to "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World.)

In Season 2 Peter went to the future (unknowingly) to see a future with almost the whole worlds population dead. He goes back in time and meets Adam before his memory was back. He thought he was helping Adam to save the world, but with help from Parkman, he was actually to prevent that future from happening even though he had to help Adam get the virus in order for it to happen. And as we all should know, if the writer's strike didn't happen the virus would have been released regardless.

Season 3. Future Peter comes back in time to prevent his timeline from happening when specials are being hunted and being taken care of. I think him doing so and shooting Nathan, in turn, is what made his timeline come to be, which would be the world splitting in half as the countless paintings show. Since with time travel, if you go back in time to change something, it's impossible, since if you could change it then there would be no reason to go back in time in the first place.

Season 3 reminds me of the 2002 remake of The Time Machine, Guy Pearce builds the time machine to save his fiance' from being killed by the mugger. But if she is never killed by the mugger than he has no reason to build the time machine. Which means if she is killed by the mugger, builds the time machine to try to save her, she will always be killed. For if she is not killed in the first place, then he has no reason to build the time machine. He can change how she is killed, but she will ALWAYS die on that day.

Bottom line with Season 3 or HEREOS in general, Peter trying to do the "right thing" and coming back to kill Nathan is what makes Future Peter's timeline become a reality.

From what I gather on HEROES, you can only delay the inevitable, you CANNOT stop it. Whether that be NY blowing up, in Season 1, a virus being released in Season 2, or the specials being hunted in Season 3. This simply is called fate or destiny. Some great catastrophe is going to happen whether it is in a TV show or in real life. We may be able to postpone it but IT IS inevitable just like how everyone will die. You can postpone it, but no matter what you do everyone dies.

This is why ever since I have watched Season 1, I have had a gut feeling that the future in "Five Years Gone" will happen no matter what. It just may come about in a different way.

I know of a great time travel website that deals with anomolies and paradoxes:http://www.mjyoung.net/time/index.htm
the creator of this website explains some of the best movies that deal with this sort of thing.

Umm...no. We're completely right.

Those future will not happen- can not happen.

5YG: What set it off? The explosion, either Peter or Sylar (either way, the end was the same) in NYC. Explosion didn't happen. Thus, the timeline was rewritten. (Also, Sylar used Candice's ability to masquerade as Nathan and, well, Candice is sort of...dead.)

Virus Exposed Future: What set it off? The Shanti Virus being released. Since the virus is destroyed, that future is now impossible.

IABD Timeline: What set it off? Nathan's reveal of the existence of Specials combined with the formula. Since Nathan didn't reveal to the public, and the formula is destroyed, that future can not happen.

And what you guys keep forgeting is that FAndo was a Pinehearst agent. Pinehearst does not exist anymore.

Synch, and to a lesser extent, Red, i think the point seems to have gone over your head. And Synch, please stop with the high and mighty, we all know you think you are always completly right, but i think many would disagree.

Now, to clear this up, no one is suggesting the exact same future is going to happen, but the meat and potatoes of it will. The bomb might have not gone off, but Specials are still being Hunted. Different cause, same effect. It goes back to what Nek said, about the inevitable conclusion. Peter will still get his scar (one of these days) even if the 5YG future isnt the same. Peters scar is one of the constants in the futures (as well as FHiro and his goatee, lol), the same way special people being hunted is. Parkman and the Hatain might not be in on it, but Nathan was still leading the charge (betraying his own kind, ect.) and a similar conclusion happens. Look at Terminator, they never prevented the future, they simply kept altering it until it caught up with them. It is a common time travel theme, so before you go poo-pooing it, look at all the other great stories that used it.

Those futures don't exist. We may end up in one with similarities but that's all they will be- similar.

Everything about those futures that we've prevented was contingent on events happening which were prevented.

And it has happened in Heroes already. Can't save Charlie. Can't stop Kaito from being killed. Can't stop the persecution and capture of specials. No matter how many times you come back to change it.

I think, at this point, it is better to ignore the ones who can't see past the facts to continue to talk about the possibilities. Yeah, it isn't going to happen the same way. It isn't possible. But one thing that seems to be coming back continuously is that fate tries to find a way to make itself happen. New York didn't blow up? Let's kill everyone with a virus. Virus was stopped? Let's split the earth and kill everyone. Split earth hasn't happened? Something could be coming of ultimate destruction. People are going to die one way or the other as fate has deemed so. And it seems to escalate each time.

Ultimately, though, it's a TV show that we love greatly. In the TV universe, things are glossed over all the time. If you can't deal with the gloss, stop watching or go online and complain about it.