babaduchi
Mar 23 2009, 08:41 PM
I can see Matt Jr. bringing back Peter's real powers now... Fingers crossed for EPIC Sylar vs Peter battle!
Synch
Mar 23 2009, 08:45 PM
Don't count on it.
Hiro's powers were still there, apparently, in the DNA. When Arthur stole the powers, he deleted Hiro's "access code" so to speak. All Matt did was "write" a bypass that gave Hiro access to his powers.
When Peter injected the formula, he rewrote his DNA coding and input a completely new program.
Xodus
Mar 23 2009, 09:00 PM
I doubt he can give Peter his full powers back. The most likely scenario to me is probably that Peter still has to touch to get a new power but will eventually be able to hold more than one.
Jim3772
Mar 23 2009, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Mar 23 2009, 09:45 PM)

Don't count on it.
Hiro's powers were still there, apparently, in the DNA. When Arthur stole the powers, he deleted Hiro's "access code" so to speak. All Matt did was "write" a bypass that gave Hiro access to his powers.
When Peter injected the formula, he rewrote his DNA coding and input a completely new program.
There's a lot of assumptions in there. I still think Peter has the same power as before (and the same as Arthur), it's just manifesting differently. Touching the person and intentionally acquiring their power rather than merely unintentionally mimicking the powers of people around him would be an evolution in his power. He can obviously hold more than one power as he flew after falling off the roof when Danko shot him even though the most recent power he acquired was Parkman's. So the other powers are there, he just needs to learn how to access them similar to how he didn't know how to access his powers originally until Claude taught him. Maybe Angela will teach Peter as she probably has a lot of experience with how Arthur's power worked.
MagnificoG
Mar 23 2009, 10:39 PM
QUOTE (Jim3772 @ Mar 24 2009, 01:33 AM)

There's a lot of assumptions in there. I still think Peter has the same power as before (and the same as Arthur), it's just manifesting differently. Touching the person and intentionally acquiring their power rather than merely unintentionally mimicking the powers of people around him would be an evolution in his power. He can obviously hold more than one power as he flew after falling off the roof when Danko shot him even though the most recent power he acquired was Parkman's. So the other powers are there, he just needs to learn how to access them similar to how he didn't know how to access his powers originally until Claude taught him. Maybe Angela will teach Peter as she probably has a lot of experience with how Arthur's power worked.
I disagree, I think it's plain that Peter did NOT fly off the roof after Danko shot him, rather that Nathan rescued him. That's why Nathan told HRG that Peter could hear his thoughts, in order to set up the way HRG tries to warn him with thoughts, and the reason we saw Nathan and Peter together with Angela later. They aren't gonna give Peter or Hiro back their full gifts because it made it too hard to tell stories, I think they're both back where they were early in S1, which is just fine with me! Yay Heroes!
Synch
Mar 23 2009, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Mar 24 2009, 01:39 AM)

I disagree, I think it's plain that Peter did NOT fly off the roof after Danko shot him, rather that Nathan rescued him.
Considering that's what was shown. lol
(Seriously, anyone who thinks differently, feel free to go back, pause at the moment Peter is flown off, and take a screen cap of the image not including Nathan in the flight. More importantly, they clearly and deliberately showed Peter absorb flight from Nathan immediately after that scene- something that wouldn't have been needed if Peter already could fly.)
TheEngineer
Mar 24 2009, 02:42 AM
I think that if baby Matt used his abillity on peter it would give him his recall aspect of his abillity back, somthing he will need to face sylar, as i now think of his touch abillity as an evolution seen as he isnt exposed to any dangerous abillities like when he absorbed teds in S1 and can now choose whether or not to absorb a power
revel911
Mar 24 2009, 02:45 AM
Could Ando + Baby Matt, increase both Hiro's and Peter's ability?
wildtripz
Mar 24 2009, 02:54 AM
QUOTE (Synch @ Mar 24 2009, 02:45 PM)

Don't count on it.
Hiro's powers were still there, apparently, in the DNA. When Arthur stole the powers, he deleted Hiro's "access code" so to speak. All Matt did was "write" a bypass that gave Hiro access to his powers.
When Peter injected the formula, he rewrote his DNA coding and input a completely new program.
My guess is that by seasons end both Peter and Hiro will end up with a slight downgrade to their original powers, but more than they have right now. As in Hiro regaining teleportation but not time travel, because seriously, time-stopping alone is pretty boring, and teleporting is a hell of a lot cheaper for production.Time travel on the other hand causes too many problems, as Peter and Hiro HAD to be stupid when they had it, because otherwise the story would be over before it began, and this is probably the reason they were stripped of powers in the first place, to eliminate time travel.
Peter will learn to retain powers, but will probably remain touch based. Can be seen as upgrade/downgrade from original depending on your veiw.
Starchild
Mar 24 2009, 02:57 AM
QUOTE (revel911 @ Mar 24 2009, 03:45 AM)

Could Ando + Baby Matt, increase both Hiro's and Peter's ability?
What happens if Baby Matt touchs Sylar?
wildtripz
Mar 24 2009, 03:00 AM
QUOTE (Starchild @ Mar 24 2009, 08:57 PM)

What happens if Baby Matt touchs Sylar?
I doubt he would do anything to someone whose ability has already manifested (Ando wasn't, he consciously called upon the red lightning).
Hiro and Peter are different, they've both had their original power's stripped.
Dervish
Mar 24 2009, 04:05 AM
QUOTE (Jim3772 @ Mar 24 2009, 02:33 AM)

I still think Peter has the same power as before (and the same as Arthur), it's just manifesting differently.
I am leaning toward that as well.
It's possible Peter may have to take someone's power completely in order to retain it. In that case, he could have Baby Matt close by. Peter takes a power, Matt Jr brings it back, etc.
dcg
Mar 24 2009, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (Starchild @ Mar 24 2009, 06:57 AM)

What happens if Baby Matt touchs Sylar?
It would be quite funny to see an infant "Stop" Sylar. How frustrating that would be for him... hehehe.
narcissus
Mar 24 2009, 04:17 AM
The only way Peter gets to be the Peter of Season one and Peter in the future is for him to take on Sylar's ability!
Will Sylar let him though?
And why is Sylar giving the man other "heroes"?
thecordler
Mar 24 2009, 04:56 AM
The writers hae said that in the BTE 16 that Peter still has EM, because his emotional distrust in people his copy powers are limited by touch and because he no longer carries an open trust/connection to people that his Recall is limited to last power touched.
Once he opens his heart again he'll get his power back, quoted by the writers
darkcervantes
Mar 24 2009, 04:59 AM
they aren't going to give Peter or Hiro back their full powers...I do believe that they'll give Peter the ability to hold on to powers he gets through touch
Think about it
They went through all this trouble to nerf their powers...I don't think they plan on bringing them back just yet
Dunc
Mar 24 2009, 05:35 AM
EDIT: Never mind. Mis-understood the post I was replying to.
Sayonara
Mar 24 2009, 07:02 AM
The only way the baby will give Peter his old power back is if he finds Matt Jr so damn cute he reconnects with his empathy
ShinyHunter
Mar 24 2009, 07:25 AM
Why can't they just make Peter's mission to try and touch Sylar to get all his abilities? Why am I constantly being denied my Peter/Gabriel Team Sledgehammer storyline?
OrangeSodaMan
Mar 24 2009, 07:45 AM
QUOTE (Sayonara @ Mar 24 2009, 11:02 AM)

The only way the baby will give Peter his old power back is if he finds Matt Jr so damn cute he reconnects with his empathy
Or has to save the baby; If Peter witnessed an agent take the baby, I'd find it believable that he'd be epic. Like if Peter was with Matt when Hiro/Ando show up with the baby.
A5J4DX
Mar 24 2009, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (revel911 @ Mar 24 2009, 10:45 AM)

Could Ando + Baby Matt, increase both Hiro's and Peter's ability?
i hope that works XD
waiheke
Mar 24 2009, 09:44 AM
i really liked the baby resetting hiro's ability but i don't wanna see it happen again and again with other characters once is plenty .
MagnificoG
Mar 24 2009, 10:01 AM
QUOTE (waiheke @ Mar 24 2009, 12:44 PM)

i really liked the baby resetting hiro's ability but i don't wanna see it happen again and again with other characters once is plenty .
You're not even curious to see Ando and Baby Matt bump into Maya at the supermarket? (Season 2 ending, redux)
GAK!
Synch
Mar 24 2009, 10:06 AM
QUOTE (Jim3772 @ Mar 24 2009, 01:33 AM)

He can obviously hold more than one power as he flew after falling off the roof when Danko shot him even though the most recent power he acquired was Parkman's.
In case you need proof as opposed to simply having everyone tell you to watch it again because you're obviously wrong,
click the link.
It's hard to make out who they are, but there are, quite clearly, two people there. Since we know one is Peter (this is right when Danko & Noah look down to see Peter go splat), the other one is presumably Nathan. (An assumption proven in the later scene when Peter is with Angela and Nathan and reabsorbs Nathan's ability.)
A5J4DX
Mar 24 2009, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Mar 24 2009, 06:01 PM)

You're not even curious to see Ando and Baby Matt bump into Maya at the supermarket? (Season 2 ending, redux)
GAK!

omg thats a good idea id love to see maya back and kill the agents and danko but she would probably develop a similar ability or her original one XD
chad13
Mar 24 2009, 02:12 PM
QUOTE
There's a lot of assumptions in there. I still think Peter has the same power as before (and the same as Arthur), it's just manifesting differently. Touching the person and intentionally acquiring their power rather than merely unintentionally mimicking the powers of people around him would be an evolution in his power. He can obviously hold more than one power as he flew after falling off the roof when Danko shot him even though the most recent power he acquired was Parkman's. So the other powers are there, he just needs to learn how to access them similar to how he didn't know how to access his powers originally until Claude taught him. Maybe Angela will teach Peter as she probably has a lot of experience with how Arthur's power worked.
It makes sense that his power would manifest differently, and not just because of the formula. I mean, as an empath Pete was much more empathetic first and second season. Once he gains a little bit of that back (and with a push from either Angela, or even baby Matt) he may get some of his old skills back, like hanging on to more than 1 power at once
themightytruk
Mar 24 2009, 06:00 PM
As I'm understanding it, Matt Parkman Jr.'s power powers on things that are currently off. No amping up that I'm aware of. Right now, Peter's already got a mimicry power from the formula, so his power is currently switched on. It's what he developed this time around, so I think he's stuck with it, unless it naturally develops into something else. Don't think the baby could just touch Peter and override his new power with the old version.
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