OK, here is a mind scrambler. So judgeing by this episode, Hiro's power wasn't taken by Arthur, just made dormant, or like someone said in another post, Arthur altered the code. Mattie was able to unlock the new dna code and Hiro had time stop back. Probably if Mattie touched Maya, we would get Plague Mistress Maya back. Now here is the fun part. What if they took Adam's dust, put it in a container, rehydrated it and let Mattie touch it. Would Adam begin to rebuild himself-kind of like the Batman movie of the 60's where the Penguin dehydrated and rehydrated his henchmen?
A door has been opened. Just a little fun thought.

Very much doubt it, though the idea is interesting.
Fistly, how would they find Adam's ashes? What happened with them? They were scattered on the floor in Pinehearst building last we've seen them. They were probably burned down along with building... Or someone threw them away
Secondly, as we've seen, young Matt's power has some limits on it. He restored Hiro's stopping time, but no teleportation. If he were to touch Adam, I seriously doubt he could restore his immortality, which was the only thing that kept him alive for almost 400 years.
But, nonetheless, interesting thought. Who else could Matt Jr. touch? And what effect would that have?

I think the reason they had him turn to dust instead of just losing his powers and start aging normally is to show that he won't be back, so I wouldn't really count on it, but you never know with this show.

Adam probably isn't going to be coming back for the reasons that Stoner stated.

Considering a bullet to the brain, or complete removal of the head, is the way to kill a regen in this show, I would assume turning every atom of the head, brain & body to dust serves the same purpose.

Sorry, but I tend to agree that Adam's not coming back.

First things first, this



Is not true and is becoming something of a redundant point across various threads on this site. Arthur did take Hiro's ability. What he didn't take was his genetic potential; the capacity for him to have abilities. All Baby Matt did was jump start that potential.

With that out of the way, I would love to see Adam back again too but at this point the only possible way seems to be through a flashback or something. Which is a shame, since he was an utterly wasted character.

Peter and f-Claire survived being atomised by being at Ground Zero in a nuclear explosion in Costa Verde.

Umm..no.

Did you see Daphne at that scene? There's only 1 reason she couldn't outrun the explosion.

Now, that I think about it, it seems very rational. Arthur took Hiro's ability like he took Peter's but he didn't altered their genes that made it possible for them to have and handle their powers. So, what Matt Jr. did with Hiro's ability was essentially the same with the Formula's effect on Peter's. Maybe there are some differences in the way of delivery, but the effect was the same. And note: both powers came back, along with several restictions, Hiro can only stop time, Peter handles only one power at a time.

Sorry, not sure what you mean.

Essentially, Arthur copied the power and erased the pathways that allow it to be accessed. The "instructions" hard wired into the DNA were still present. Without outside aid, they are powerless.

BabyMatt simply repaired part of the pathway, allowing limited elements of the "instructions" to come through. Thus, Hiro can now manipulate time on a limited basis, but can not teleport or time travel.

The Serum ignored previous instructions, and completely overwrote the system. This is the reason Peter got an ability so dis-similar to the one he had originally. His DNA received new "instructions" as the pathway was rebuilt.

Daphne runs nearly the speed of light. (It's the reason she could move in Hiro's nearly-stopped moment.) Outrunning an explosion? Simple.

We also know Daphne can carry people with her, and still run at high speeds. Carrying Claire & Peter together would be about as much as she could be anticipated to carry, but it is still doable. (All she has to do is grab your hand, and you are carried along at the same speed she runs.)

However, carrying them together while outrunning an explosion? She could do it, but would be impacted. This is what killed her. (Claire & Peter both had regeneration, so the damage they received as a result of not being quite outside the blast radius would heal.)

I must have completely missed that.

Why would f-Daphne save Peter who she thinks is a terrorist rather than Knox who she works with?

Because they were told to bring Peter in. That was the way I read it.

I decided from the start I was not going to assume anything about Heroes, so what they show/tell us is what I go with.

So as far as I'm concerned Daphne legged it and wasn't fast enough, and f-Claire and Peter survived due to their regeneration, and I'll just have to ponder how they managed that!

As far as I remember, the orders were: "Kill Petrelli".
And I also always assumed that Daphne was just too slow, or didn't realized the danger until it was too late 'cause she was knocked out by Peter. As for Peter and Claire... I always thought that they somehow lived through the explosion. Wasn't there big discussion about Claire's ability back in S1 when Peter was the one who exploded? I guess this ability keeps the whole part of the brain responsible for healing intact, even in this conditions.

Translation: The only logical explanation that flows with what they showed us is the explanation you won't accept.


Here:

Fact: Destruction of the brain is death for a regenerator.
Fact: Daphne runs at/nearly at the speed of light. This is proven by the fact that she is capable of movement while in Hiro's nearly stopped moment.
Fact: Daphne was present at the time of the explosion.
Fact: Daphne can carry people with her while she runs without notably slowing down.
Fact: Peter & Claire survived the explosion.
Fact: Daphne was unable to run fast enough to survive the explosion.


Those facts, all given us by the show, make it crystal clear that the only explanation is that Daphne carried them.

To get back to the topic at hand, given what we know about regenerators, Adam is dead. Complete destruction of the brain is a confirmed way to kill one. There is no further destruction of the brain possible in Adam's case.

If you say so.

But I saw nothing that suggested Daphne carried Claire and Peter out. In fact, I would say from what we actually saw she definitely didn't carry them out. As the above poster said Daphne had been knocked out, and the order was to kill Peter not capture him, so I don't see why she would take Peter and not Knox if she had the opportunity. I thought I might have blinked and missed something you saw, but clearly not.

Actually, you apparently did miss something.

You did know that Costa Verde, in that timeline, is now a crater? Nothing left but a big hole in the ground.

That means everybody and everything in the immediate area was disintigrated. Nothing to regenerate.

Claire and Peter can not violate the basic rules of their ability. That most fundamental rule is that destruction of the brain=death. Had they not been carried away, they would have been completely disintigrated. Thus, they would have been permanently dead.

Since they weren't dead, something carried them away. Since the only rapid transport there was Daphne, it's pretty obvious what happened.

I understand what you're saying.

But as I did not see Daphne carry Peter and Claire out I cannot assume that she did.

wasn't adam in an explosion? hiro blew up the gunpowder and the entire camp exploded. adam was fine afterwards

Wait, what?

I don't think either of them did.

Edit: I think I may have missed something in that episode because I don't recall them having survived or having been carried off by Daphne or whatever.

Facts we know for certain from "IABD":

Claire, Peter and Daphne were all quite close to Gabriel when he was going nuclear.

Daphne tried to outrun the blast which resulted in her back being totally burned.

When we see Claire and Peter again, they both are well, 'cept for Peter being bound and tortured by his future!niece.

There was no mention of Daphne trying to carry anyone, as well no one explained how those two emerged from the blast unscratched. I thought it's safe to assume, that they survived solely thanks to their ability.

Yes. Adam was in a black powder explosion that left a badly charred corpse. (They pan over it when Hiro gets the helmet.)
Claire & Peter were in a nuclear explosion. You know, the kind that leaves (if you're lucky) black shadowy outlines that used to be people.


Because that makes perfect logical sense.
Oh...wait...no, actually it doesn't.

1: The explosion was a massive nuclear explosion. Not a small thermo explosion like in Texas in S1, and not a middling gunpowder explosion like in Japan in S2. This thing left nothing but a crater at ground zero.
2: A full nuclear explosion leaves nothing behind of bodies other than, assuming the buildings aren't completely destroyed, shadows on concrete. Which means the bodies are completely destroyed.

It makes no sense to claim that Peter & Claire miraculously survived an explosion when their bodies have been shown to be no more durable than anyone else's. If a bullet to the brain, or completely removing the head from the body, is a permanent kill as the writers and show have both stated repeatedly, being turned to ash in a nuclear explosion is just as good.


Again, facts we know:

1: Daphne runs at/near the speed of light. (Thus, moving in Hiro's stopped time.)
2: Daphne can carry people with her.
3: An explosion, though it breaks the sound barrier, cannot move at the speed of light.
4: Peter & Claire were both near Sylar when he began to erupt.
5: Peter was unconcious.
6: Peter & Claire survived.
7: Daphne wasn't fast enough to escape unscathed. She died shortly thereafter.

The only way those 7 facts make any logical sense at all is if Daphne carried Peter and Claire. Otherwise, they would have died and Daphne would have lived.

1: Adam was turned into a toasty near-skeleton due to being at ground zero in a gunpowder explosion.
2: Claire was crispy-fried by being at ground zero in a small nuclear explosion that did no more than burn down a house.

We're supposed to believe that they'd emerge in better shape from a full scale nuclear explosion? Pardon me for pointing out how completely ridiculous that idea is.

I agree it wouldn't be possible for them to survive an explosion like that, and anyone who says so is just...I don't even know. I disagree, however, with your possibilities list. 1st of all, F_Daphne was convinced that Peter was a terrorist, deserving of the no-trial, death penalty. There's no way she carries him from the blast site. I think, since we see Peter scream Gabriel's name and begin to move, that he grabbed Claire and used Daphne's power to carry her away from the blast. Daphne ran away also, and all three sustained more or less the level of burns Daphne displayed when she got to NYC. The difference was she didn't Regenerate. All that leaves is the unshown scene where F_Claire wakes up and pays Peter's rescue back with a nose plug full of chocolate milk.

Neither does the alternative. Daphne takes Peter, the man she was sent to kill, instead of Knox, her ally? She's injured, and running as fast as possible to get to her husband...but oh by the way she dropped these guys off first.

There's not a scene showing Daphne taking them with her, nor a line informing us of the action. There's no reason to assume Daphne is the reason they survived when there's no focus put on her.

It is the simplest explantion. Yours complicates things too much. The regeneration option only requires their regeneration to be stronger in the future - or, more likely, a lack of thought on the writers part.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.


As awesome as Adam returning would be, it's very unlikely (unless via flashback) and if they did, I wouldn't want Adam to return if he got er... 'rehydrated'. There are some things and deaths that should just be left alone because they wouldn't get handled well and it would just end up cheesy and/or stupid.

I agree with that. The last thing this show needs is to go back and try to undo something they shouldn't have done in the first place and make an even bigger mess of it.

Adam is currently dust. Unless Matt Jr uses his power to reactivate Adam's regenerative power, he's gonna stay dust.

As for this whole Daphne debacle, it was rather vague as to what happened after the explosion, but I believe the accepted belief is that Daphne ran straight for Matt, and Peter and Claire got caught in the blast; Their regenerative abilities kept them alive.

Sounds like something somebody should ask BTE.

Peter is likely immune to these explosions. Rule of Ted.

Peter could be immune, but Claire isn't. And Claire could barely keep pace with a slow burn in her old house when Ted went off. No way could she keep pace with a nuclear explosion.

Daphne's the only possible answer to that one.

^ "I Am Become Death" when Gabriel goes nuclear both Peter and Claire are at ground zero and survive.

No. We saw them at Ground Zero. Then we went away for the explosion. We didn't see that they were there for it.

Peter, theoretically, could have survived. (Rule Of Ted) Claire couldn't. Thus, she was removed from the scene in some way. Since we know Daphne can carry people with her, and Daphne should have been able to but couldn't outrun the explosion, the logical conclusion is that Daphne carried Claire out of range.

Moving this to General Discussion from Ep 20: Cold Snap.

Synch...

Yes, I like that a lot.

That makes sense.

Well, carrying Claire alone would make a lot more sense for Daphne than trying to carry them both, since Peter was considered terrorist. And he could survive thanks to Rule of Ted. I quite like this teory.
But there's still something in my mind: Peter was captured after the explosion, so it seems like Claire must have been quite close to him and got him. How do you this she accomplished that?

Either Daphne carried both (which makes sense, but does have the problem that's been pointed out), or Claire was far enough from the blast center to survive and heal, and went back in to capture an unconscious Peter. (He may have survived, but the force of the blast and the heat, would still have knocked him out.)

I like the idea that Peter carried Claire away. That makes sense to me.

Daphne and Peter ran - Peter carrying Claire - all three sustained injuries, Daphne died because she did not have regeneration.

Bravo, MagnificoG

As long as you ignore that the explosion doesn't move at the speed of light, but Daphne can.

I thought she only moves that fast with Ando's Supercharge. Didn't they say right after she first appeared at the Nakamura building that she moves at the speed of sound?

It was never stated exactly how fast she moved, but she was capable of moving within Hiro's stopped moment, and the moment slows down everything nearly to the point of cancelling the speed of light. (Not sure exactly how to word that...)

I get what you mean. I'm petty sure it was Hiro who said how fast she moved, anyway, and not Daphne herself. I dunno, I made people grumble when I calculated how fast Peter must have flown from Danko's apt. to CA, I'm not about to try that again! (Although the episode where we see in real time her leaving Paris with the track medal and ending up in Berlin shouldn't make a rough estimate all that hard.)

Of course Adam can come back, This is Heroes.

I have even figured out how: The Brain in the Vault is Adam's. His brain was removed in the past and stored; and his body was treated with an injection of his own blood; regrowing a new brain, Much like HRG did in Vol 2. This was done because a Pre-Cog forsaw that Adam would be needed for some great purpose; but another Pre-Cog forsaw that Adam would die before he could fufill that purpose.

Sometime in Vol-5 someone will be playing around with the Brain in a Jar and the Jar will Drop and Break. Once Adam's Brain is removed from the sterile solution it will regrow a New Body. Voila!

So, Everybody who would like Adam to return; Please sign a Petition at SoapOperaSamurai.Bom.

Yay! Adam.

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Oh wow...I almost believed you were serious. lol

I think Adam could return in a similar way that Niki could...

Jon Osterman could bring him back, that free publicity could make up for the ripped-off bomb plot.

I'm surprised no one thought of this yet:

Couldn't Peter use Telekinesis to create a 'mind shield' for him/Claire? Claire is still family, so I don't think he'd want her dead.

Plus, I think I read somewhere about full-scale nukes going faster than SoL; so maybe Daphne would've gotten killed by it regardless.

not true peter was faster than daphne i.e. hiro peter stopped time and teleported clair to safety being that he was the only person that actually cared about Claire well being

That's a cool idea. Maybe Peter used a Combination of Telekinesis and Induced Radioactivity to protect Claire and Himself from the initial force of the explosion; And then he collapsed from the strain, Making it easy for Claire to capture him.

The Energy released from a Nuclear explosion is subject to the same natural Laws as any other form of Energy and can not(As far as I know) exceed the Speed of Light.