So, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not in tune to the differences in powers.

Both Claire and Adam have cell regeneration, yes?

Claire couldn't get drunk, but I believe Adam was shown drunk back in the feudal japan arc with Hiro.

Or am I missing something.

Help me out.

-CMD

Goood Point!

Hmm. maybe claire is more special lol? Or the ability wasn't developed enough or Adam didn't know how to controll it aswell?

Continuity ERRORZ!

I remember now. He hadn't even healed once by that time. Claire's been healing for months.

I don't think Adam's powers had manifested yet at the time when he was drunk.
actually, I might be wrong. idk.

Well you are right but as time goes on maybe Claire's regen is the new and improved version. or they messed up and not realized it.

It isn't wrong, the above person is correct. I was having this debate two years ago.

Yeah, I'm not sure we ever saw Adam drunk after he was shot with an arrow. We saw him drinking, but not drunk IIRC

The only problem I have with this is that Alcohol effects the brain, not the liver, to make you drunk. If alcohol didn't inhibit her, the drugs she was given in the beginning of the volume really shouldn't have effected her either.

But I kind of don't care. I just like to think that Claire's just a badass drinker, a la Marion Ravenwood circa Raiders of the Lost Ark.

I like to think she was kidding about the liver - I would totally buy that her blood would flush the alcohol out of her blood.

Ummm..the ****** who doesn't think that alcohol affects your liver clearly hasn't taken any biology class. alcohol, including large acute doses, cause the necrosis of hepatic tissue and thus a reduction in ability to metabolize toxic chemicals. Since Claire can regenerate tissue, her accumulation of ethanol in the circulation is diminished, she gets sober. While the pharmacodynamics may not make sense in great detail, for the most part it works on the show since this isn't a pharmacology class. Also, im guessing her oxidation rate is much higher.

I don't think Claire really knows how her ability works. She called it tissue regeneration, but isn't cellular regeneration? (And I'm going to be really embaressed if they're the same thing. I got a C- in 9th grade Bio.)

BluEyedGrl105, what tissue is to cells (cellular) is like what a neighborhood is to a house. Tissue is simply a group of similar type of connected cells. In this case, their practically interchangeable.

I thought she was about to start playing strip poker, or stripping for drinks! I had almost let out a cry of joy!

i thought the greater point was why the hell anyone was in on the ****** bet,i could see party guys doing it for a coupla bucks but not their total cash holdings.but i agree that i don't think she fully understands how things work with herself.

You are correct, it effects a whole set of things. The point I was trying to make was that the intoxication of the liver isn't what causes the "drunken stupor" we saw Nathan in. Those effects are due to the intoxication of the brain and Central Nervous System. The liver is most certainly adversely effected as well, and I should have been more specific in my original post.

I have taken a few biology classes, though, and I don't appreciate your cynical assumptions or name calling. Take it easy, man.

Either way, it's essentially irrelevant. The writers can explain it any way they see fit, and that'll be that.

Still, Claire is totally a party girl. She is no stranger to beer, as season one has shown us. Rock on, Claire.

That shirt-removal thing was a little gratuitous. Apparently simply done so the drunken gamblers would be interested in sticking around.

Well it worked, didn't it?

Made me stick around!

Actually I thought your post was quite clear (unless you've edited it since those remarks), and I understood it first time.

You're both right, Adam meet Hiro before his powers manifested. I'd imagine that his powers would have to start ticking from the moment the body was in need of heal for the first time. The reason it worked so early on for Claire was because she was in the fire as a baby, so her powers kicked in at that time to heal her.

That's a common misconception about baby Claire and the fire, but she wasn't hurt in the blaze as HRG saved her before the fire could get to her. The first time we see evidence of her healing power is when she badly cut her hand during the flashback sequence with Jackie in Claire's bedroom. Remember both Claire's and Noah's expressions when they removed the bandage? Both were surprised to see her fully healed hand.



As to her drinking and healing, it doesn't surprise me that she was either very mildly or not at all affected. It does raise the question of what kind of drug the Goons gave her to keep her in the sedated state. Alcohol, particularly hard liquors, is a very powerful, fast acting drug. The stuff she was kept loopy with must have been extremely strong.

Wolf, was the Claire & the Cat segment not considered canon?

I've been thinking about that actually. I think the inhaled drug is targeted toward the specific abilities and, even more, targeted toward those centers of the body responsible for controlling said abilities.

I'm afraid that's not ringing any bells for me. Could you tell me when/what format that happened? Thanks!


@Synch: I'm leaning towards that belief too. It makes sense and also helps explain why the specials seem to recover so quickly from it's affects.

So basically everything is connected to everything else. And no, I don't think Claire was being stupid when she assumed that the reason she couldn't get drunk had to do with her liver.

I disagree... Remember, Claire had never even been sick. She had her ability since birth, or close to birth.

Funny. Because I distinctly remember Sandra talking about one time as a baby Claire having been really sick.

The first time we saw Claire's regeneration was in 6 Months Ago. You could argue that she had her ability earlier if it weren't for a few things:

1) She most definitely was not injured in that fire. In fact, the Company gave her to Noah for safekeeping until she manifested. Which means the tests they performed on her came up negative.
2) The cut did not heal within seconds, as it would have if her ability had already manifested. It was bad enough to need stitches and bandages.
3) Her reaction, and Noah's reaction, when they removed the bandages mean that neither of them expected to see it healed.



Where'd she say anything about her liver? I only remember her commenting that the whole regen thing obviously included drinking.

I thought they would've manifested at the eclipse, which was chapter one, scene one, of season two. Surely the drinking happened after that?

Claire manifested in S1. Long before the eclipse.

I agree with you. The only way I can think around that is that after her ability manifested, with no need for antibodies they eventually dwindled. Of course since in real life there are no cases of people having spontaneous regeneration, its impossible to know if thats what would happen. I assume. I'm no doctor, and did terribly in Biology at school, so I'm far from an authority on anything like this.

I'm glad that she had the guts to do that to keep people interested in the contest. I bet if Nathan was awake, he would've told her to cover up. Anyways, could you imagine if they did this kind of scene again in a future episode where it was Claire, Angela, Sandra, Heidi, and Monica who did this in a drinking contest. It would make for an entertaining ending for Noah, Peter, Nathan, Micah, and Hiro to break up the contest and make them put their shirts back on

Actually thats a good point, one which I'd forgotten. She finds out that the Haitian has been braining her for months relatively early on doesn't she. When did she cut her hand infront of Jackie? Was that in the six months ago flash back?

She said "I guess that whole tissue regeneration also applies to my liver tissue."

1: Haitian never wiped Claire. Ever. He went against orders to keep from wiping her.
2: Yes, 6MA was when she manifested.

She had a tang top underneath so I don't see the big deal.

Cool. Thanks. I was working with a crappy video/audio, so I missed that.

I stand corrected on point one.
Thanks on point two.

It's a good thing those weren't astronauts in the bar...

Claire's regeneration power is pretty advanced now and Adam's had just started up then.

Also don't forget the Heroes writers seem to be on some kind of a mission to remove all the characters and things we learned in Season 2!

Characters? Perhaps.

The events? Not at all. Otherwise Noah wouldn't have been incarcerated and the characters wouldn't have been killed.

Was'nt Helene von Diedenhausen his first love before the Japan years? Anyway, he loved to drink but never passed out, did he? We know that every power is individually fitting to ones personality, actually Adam was dispointingly simple compared to Hiros expectations, a drunken fool...

Alcohol gets you drunk by killing your brain cells. so Claire can't get drunk. However, she could get high off of marijuana since it gets you high without killing brain cells. The drug they must have been using probably doesn't damage any cells or tissues. No cell death/damage=no regeneration. So Claire could get high off weed and get drugged by certain compunds. However Claire might not be able to get drunk. But why does Adam get drunk.

Killing brain cells is the last effect of alcohol. Drunkeness is caused by the alcohol being absorbed into the body through the stomach and messing with pretty much everything else.

Actually alcohol gets you drunk by affecting your brain, but not by killing the brain cells.


Source.

If I had to theorise on whether or not it would affect Claire, I would say she should've been able to get drunk, but without any after affects. And from after affects I mean things as small as hang-overs to things as big as liver failure and an untimely death.

I guess the question depends on whether the chemical reactions (for lack of a better term) that alcohol causes counts as "damage." If it's damage, Claire's body will heal it. If it's not, it won't. I guess the show has determined that these reactions are perceived by the body to be damaging.

This is off topic, but not totally. Every special they've captured, including Claire, has been rendered incapacitated with the concoction they injected them with or made them inhale. (Presumably, as was stated before, because it nullifies abilities, IE "Haitian Pills"). Why weren't the field teams armed with hypodermic needle guns with that compound in it and instead sent out using tasers?!

Because the government on the show is just as stupid and inept as the government in real life.

@LowerTheBar: Morally pink?

Whatever substance it is that they had the specials inhale via tube on the plane, I don't think it had anything to do with the Haitian pills. It seems to put people in a semi-conscious state (so they can walk, with certain limits, but not think). I can easily buy that this is connected to a precise dosage. They have ways of incapacitating victims effectively through tasers.

Methinks I've been the target of an April Fool's joke.

That's gotta be the best one I've encountered today. And being a high school teacher, I encountered MANY.