so does HRG really believe that Sylar is dead - I mean seriously that is going to be a big pill to swallow

Yeah, you're right... I mean, think about how long HRG's been after Sylar...

I'm thinking after the shock of Sylar being alive after the primatech explosion. H.R.G thinks sylar can never die haha

Not a lot of definitive signs that HRG believed it. Then again, not a lot to say he didn't.

If he does, it will be interesting to see the effect that has on him.

I got the impression he wasnt' really buyin it.

I read his expression as mad he wasn't the one to do it. Or he knows Danko is working with Sylar. Either way I read it as mad.

Noah knows about the shape shifter, yes?

I also got the feeling that Noah smelled something fishy with the situation. My opinion would be that Noah figures out what Danko is up to and uses it against him.

Can't wait for more on this subject. Either way it goes it sets up for an awesome story.

NAH, HRG has been around the block far too long to believe Sylar to be dead. Im sure they writers may have an episode where Sylar has shifted and is testing Bennett and see if he's on Danko's side or not, I would.

well there is one quick and easy solution for HRG - pull the knife out

I don't think HRG would really want to do that.

Sylar has stopped entire sets of the goon squad and now Danko singlehandedly eliminates Sylar.
HRG is a lot smarter than that. He's got to know that Sylar is now a shapeshifter... since that is who Danko was hunting.

Good point! If Noah does question it will he risk pulling the knife out and possibly bringing Sylar back? Very interesting.

no, i think horn rim boy is suspicious of anything danko accomplishes or claims to.i don't think think hrg sees danko as an equal at all and certainly wouldn't feel danko capable of dealing with sylar.

HRG knows how to hunt specials while Danko does not. HRG already suspects Danko of not working alone by the capture of Doyle. Danko wouldn't be able to do that on his own. Danko is not a true hunter, he is to obvious in his attack methods to catch either Doyle or Sylar.

Good question. I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

Yes, Noah knows about the shape shifter. Noah was fussing at Danko about having to know what ability someone has before just going in and getting your team killed near the beginning of the episode. Noah is especting to go after the new guy (shape shifter) and Danko sends him after Angela instead.

Even if Noah didn't know that Danko was hunting a shape shifter he would know after the fact. Danko would toot his own horn and broadcast the kill and ability. If Danko is anything, it is not subtle.

I wish it was the Real SYLAR this crap is getting old.

I don't see any reason why HRG should believe that Sylar is dead. Sylar is probably the most powerful special HRG has ever come across and there's no way he's going to buy that Danko caught Sylar on his own with one bullet to the chest and a knife to the back of the head.

Did sylar have "bag and Tag marks"

Cause if he did that woul have been a good reason to check the back of his head for marks...

This might be a longshot, but;

Was the box with the agent's head in it already open before Danko got to it? Perhaps HRG already worked out that the agent had been replaced and probably who mailed the head.

Ok, so how did the shape shifter kill the agents? Transformed into a wall, then when they walked past changed back and shot them?

If anything that bullet wound to the chest will prove it wasn't Sylar. There is no need to shoot him in the chest after sticking something in his head, so he must've done it before, but its clearly not healed, and thats what you would expect from Sylar.

That was dealt with in this weeks GN. He grabbed the first guy who came in (he came in a separate way from the other three to cover all entrances), took on his appearance before the other three turned up, then told them the guy was in the room. Thety came in, turned to their dead agent buddy, got shot in the back.

As long as his head is attached on his body HRG won't believe that sylar is dead.
Simple fact? HRG knows how regeneration works and that claire survived through similar things as also sylar did in primatech.

That's what I'm thinking will happen. And then when he doesn't come back to life, Noah will know for certain that Sylar isn't dead.

I would think that he does. If the majority of folks that are being targeted for capture were all files from Primatech, it would stand with good reason that Bennet knows about that person and will put two and two together when he realizes Sylar's body doesn't heal after pulling out the knife.

I saw nothing to believe that Noah knows they were after a shapeshifter. They made a big show of him not knowing, then Sylar figured it out, told Danko about it, and they went rogue looking for him...

That's not to say that HRG isn't suspicious of the capture, and I think a scene with him removing the knife is in order...

HRG is too awesome to fall for it

HRG also knows that Sylar got regeneration from Claire.

That's irrelevant since the knife was in his 'sweet spot'.

i don't remember but did they every really confirm that they knew sylar was still alive after burning down of primatech? i always thought nobody knew sylar was alive... (i mean he's killed a lot of agents but they weren't always really hunting for "sylar" were they?)

Angela told Claire they found dental remains but that could have been a lie or they didn't fully believe Sylar was dead themselves anyway. Nathan told his goons to go for the back of Sylar's head so Noah must have told him about Sylar's regeneration.

I thought he looked skeptical, personally. I think HRG is too wise to fall for such a trick, and there's gotta be a way to confirm it's Sylar without pulling the knife out.

But I thought they said that this geometry teacher came from DNA files - perhaps the ones complied by the original Chandra Suresh, not from Primatech files. As such, HRG would not know what this guy's ability was unless it was through Danko and info available to Danko, and Danko clearly does not know what his ability was.

Agreed that HRG is suspicious and confused but mostly because his experience tells him Sylar isn't brought down easily and he knows better than to trust Danko but he knows nothing about shapeshifting right now. He will probably figure it out soon though because he is so experienced.

i dont think he has any other choice but to believe at the moment, unless he really does pull the knife. you could see in his face that he deffinatly did not want to believe it, ie checking the back of fake sylars head, but he had a sylar body with a knife in the skull.
plus hrg looked more disapointed then angry in my opinion.
perhaps disapointed that he wasnt the one to make the kill, he has been wanted to put sylar down for a long time now.

Danko can't catch a cold without falling on his face, and you think Noah believes he managed to catch and kill the most dangerous Special Noah's seen?

HRG is no fool and even if he did believe Sylar was dead he would still in all likelyhood attempt to revive just for the sole purpose of killing Sylar himself but I am sure he didn't buy it for the simple fact that no and i mean NO one man could ever take down Gabriel Grey with a pistol and a pocket knife.

Noah is very smart, the fact is that Danko tipped his hand and now Noah knows the game has changed remember Danko asked HRG "How do you trust them" and sent the proverbial wheels a spinning, please believe there will be wind chimes hangin in the window.

The bottom line is, if Noah thought for one second it was Sylar he would have cut his head off to make sure that the knife never came out.

A bullet to the chest, and a knife in the head took Sylar down? HRG won't believe that for a second.

there is no doubt that at first he didnt believe it, but he has a sylar corpses with a knife sticking out of the back of its sylar skull and unless he knew that its a shape shifter, there really is nothing else for him to believe.
he can doubt it all he wants but unless he pulls out the knife or has some dna testing done there is nothing to prove that he does not have sylar in a body bag.

The point is, he obviously wasn't convinced. With Noah, that's all it'll take for him to be convinced to look deeper into it. And the fact that the man was a shapeshifter would be obvious from his apartment.

Coleman is such a good actor. With one look and one second of screen time he manages to say so much.

Mt question is how is Danko going to handle it? He placed the shape shifter enemy no.1 and removed Sylar from the board all together, this in its self would have raised Noahs suspicions especially that on a hunt for this new EH Danko ends up shoving his pocket knife into the back of Sylers head outside of a club

I think that Noah had a feeling that something up. It certainly seemed pretty convincing to see Sylar's dead body like that, but that raises the question to Noah of how did Danko pull it off? Noah's tried before and failed. Several specials have failed against Sylar. For Danko to suddenly have successfully killed Sylar, while having Jim Martin as his main priority seems a big leap. Noah might not know exactly what's going on, but he's gotta have his doubts. He's probably got a variety of mixed feelings about this. On any levels that he believes it, he's glad the threats removed, but confused at the reality of it.

As for if Noah knew about that Jim Martin was a shapeshifter, I think he's probably smart enough to have figured it out from the surrounding events. Agents were chasing after the shapeshifted form of Jenkins.

Gotta say Danko is making the same short sighted mistake both Mr. and Mrs. Petrelli made when they thought they could use Sylar... Yeah, Give the guy whose the most powerful and dangerous special and give him shape shifting so you can kill people who breath underwater and and let's not forget babies.

Too bad it's obvious Danko's going to try and take out Sylar and die in the process probably one episode before the season finale.

Noah may not realize it, but he'll suspect stuff if specials keep dying with skull injuries.

Yeah that in itself should have raised red flags since Sylar has killed more of his guys than the shapeshifter and then there was their conversation--"how could you work with these people"... Noah's comments about how "Sylar is in town" (he wanted that assignment but Danko sent him after Angela instead) and how "a little focuesd manipulation goes along way" has me thinking Noah already suspected what was up before Fake!Sylar was delivered to him in a bodybag.

Only if they die with skull injuries

The only injury to the skull of "Sylar" was the one needed to keep a regenerator from coming back.

well we know HRG was ordered to capture Angela and obviously disobeyed that which leads me to believe he was already onto Danko, I don't even believe Noah was fooled with the whole Puppet Master situation either, like I said there will be wind chimes in the window soon and now Angie's sis is coming I'm still waiting for the rest of the founders to come back (I think only three ladies are left and I'm not convinced Maury is dead) with a new company and new priorities

Seems odd to me that the shapshifter did not return to his own form. The other one like this did when Candace died. Also, SYLAR SHOULD ALREADY BE DEAD FOR THE REALS.

"The other one like this"?

Candice wasn't a shifter. She was an illusionist. Her illusions required the constant attention of her conscious mind. Once she died, the illusion died with her.

A shapeshifter, on the other hand, only needs his conscious mind in order to perform the shift. Once in a new form, he needs to pay no attention to it at all.