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Zensu14
So, we finally get an ability for Charles. It seems to be some kind of Hypnosis ability.
EvolutionisNear
Yeah! Very cool.
Mask
He demonstrated this ability in the Season 1 Finale!...
rayne
could be telepathy.
Synch
Looked more like a variation of the Parkman telepathy.
Zensu14
QUOTE (rayne @ Apr 13 2009, 09:02 PM) *
could be telepathy.


No, it didn't look like Matt or Maury's telepathy.
MewtRandell
Yeah, I got the impression that it was more like the Parkmans' power.
Xodus
QUOTE (Mask @ Apr 13 2009, 10:02 PM) *
He demonstrated this ability in the Season 1 Finale!...


He did?
I always thought his power was some sort of astral projection. Until today's episode of course.
Zensu14
The camera didn't shake or anything when Charles said that. It's not telepathy.
hal0hal0
Looked more like Eden's persuasion to me. But unless there's a comic soon to elaborate, we'll probably never know.
Mask
He appeared in Peter's dream and said he had an ability. One that would allow him to see Peter when he was dreaming.
Zensu14
There wasn't an echo to his voice, can't be Eden's persuasion either.
waiheke
i am very afraid someone we know is gonna accuse charles of having eden's power , she may even suggest eden and charles of being connected , if ya know what i mean
pawn6545
could be something similiar to edens or matt's. kinda like nathan and wests powers.
MewtRandell
Well, how else would he know that Angela had dreams and that she had missed her prom? Telepathy would explain that nicely along with being able to control people like he did in the diner.

Just because the SFX are different it doesn't mean the ability has to be something else.
xone1
Charles seems like a powerful telepath.

He knew Angela's dreams, and he's appeared in Peter's dreams.

Then his power of persuasion.

Seems to me he has the same powers as Dr. Charles Xavier.
kerkerker
QUOTE (waiheke @ Apr 13 2009, 09:07 PM) *
i am very afraid someone we know is gonna accuse charles of having eden's power , she may even suggest eden and charles of being connected , if ya know what i mean


you are exactly right! this is exactly what i'm going to do! i think it looked exactly like eden's power. they were just so in love with it that they had to go and give it to EVERYBODY. i'm sure we'll see that alice can persuade too. jeeeeezus!
OlyMendez
Does it matter? He's hot.


I'm glad they had a small town "we don't allow that dancing with colored folk" historically accurate stuff. Made me happy to be accurate.


Also, methinks Eve-power or telepathy
Alordo
I thought it was more Eden like than Parkman. Maybe he projected in their mind he was white and not black. *shrug*
rayne
season 1 he used astral projection n thats part of telepathy so i say he has telepathy but not quite like matt or maury.
Mask
What I wonder is how he was in Peter's dream...when he was dead! Other than that, I think his ability is quite similar to Angela's.
Zensu14
No, Telepathy and Persuasion had different SFX.

Charles had neither.
pawn6545
QUOTE (Alordo @ Apr 13 2009, 09:11 PM) *
I thought it was more Eden like than Parkman. Maybe he projected in their mind he was white and not black. *shrug*

Kinda interesting you said that since after he said that he said something along the lines of "we wont have that problem again".
Mask
The same ability can have different effects, for the record. There's Ando's and Paulette's power supercharging, and Bryan's and Misha's telekinesis.
Synch
QUOTE (kerkerker @ Apr 13 2009, 09:10 PM) *


Of course. Because Eden could tell you what you were thinking.


This was quite clearly not Eden's power, as there was no voice alteration. Nor was it telepathy, as they did not have the audio and visual clues that were and are present when Matt, Maury and Arthur used their abilities.
Zensu14
Hypnosis seems like the most likely answer to me at the moment. I mean, there wasn't any of the same SFX like Matt's/Maury's telepathy or Eden's persuasion, so it has to be a different power.
MewtRandell
We'll know for sure in next week's BTE unless the writers decide to be all obscure about their answers. But the evidence seems to point towards Telepathy; really strong telepathy at that.
Zensu14
QUOTE (MewtRandell @ Apr 13 2009, 09:18 PM) *
But the evidence seems to point towards Telepathy; really strong telepathy at that.


What evidence? There are several controlling powers out there that the writers can use. And besides, like Synch said, there were no audio or visual clues that it was persuasion or telepathy.
Synch
What evidence? What you saw can be interpreted in many different ways. Different abilities can be used to achieve the same result.

However, what you heard makes it pretty clear that it's not telepathy. If it was, the sound effects would've been there.
OlyMendez
That feels really wrong. The SFX argument?

I don't think he has exactly Telepathy, but maybe a stronger Eden Persuasion? It just seemed too deja vu-ish of both the powers.
MewtRandell
Yeah, I think I rather wait before jumping to conclusions, but that's what I think from what I saw. It's a given that this question will be asked and we'll know by this time next week.
Zensu14
QUOTE (OlyMendez @ Apr 13 2009, 09:22 PM) *
I don't think he has exactly Telepathy, but maybe a stronger Eden Persuasion? It just seemed too deja vu-ish of both the powers.


So, something like Hypnosis? That would fit the bill.

And we can at least discuss it until then, Mewt.
rayne
if it was hypnosis then how does it explain what charles did in season 1 after he was dead?
xone1
I really don't understand how hypnosis, lets Charles into people's dreams.

It's more than hypnosis or persuasion.

MewtRandell
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Apr 13 2009, 10:24 PM) *
And we can at least discuss it until then, Mewt.


Of course, I'm not saying that we can't, but it's kind of a deadlocked argument until we have more information. I mean, for all we know we could both be wrong. He could have something else like Astral Projection. He could be projecting his conscience into people's minds, which could explain why he knew about Angela's dreams, why he could invade Peter's and why he could control the people in the diner.

The point is, it's a bit speculative at the moment.
pawn6545
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 13 2009, 09:17 PM) *
Of course. Because Eden could tell you what you were thinking.


This was quite clearly not Eden's power, as there was no voice alteration. Nor was it telepathy, as they did not have the audio and visual clues that were and are present when Matt, Maury and Arthur used their abilities.

And once again West and Nathan dont have the same ability but they both fly.
Zensu14
QUOTE (pawn6545 @ Apr 13 2009, 09:36 PM) *
And once again West and Nathan dont have the same ability but they both fly.


That's..kinda redundant. Both have the power of flight. lol
Synch
QUOTE (OlyMendez @ Apr 13 2009, 09:22 PM) *
That feels really wrong. The SFX argument?


Not when they've repeatedly said that each power, not each character, has a special sound effect- and that has been proven through multiple uses of an ability over multiple characters.
1WngdAngel
QUOTE (rayne @ Apr 13 2009, 09:25 PM) *
if it was hypnosis then how does it explain what charles did in season 1 after he was dead?


QUOTE (xone1 @ Apr 13 2009, 09:30 PM) *
I really don't understand how hypnosis, lets Charles into people's dreams.


Peter spoke with Charles in a "dream" once and we have no idea if it was Charles or Peter responsible for it happening. Hypnosis sounds like a good explanation for what we saw tonight.
MysteryMachine
I'm going with Telepathy, Or a Telepathic ability. These powers are supposed to be defined at least to some degree by the individuals Personality and Need. I would expect there to be some differences between Parkman and Charles.

The Haitian, Guillaume(Haitians Father), and Matt Parkman all have Powerful Telepathic abilities, But their specific Talents are tailored to their specific personalities. So I would say that Charles is a Telepath; Similar, but not identical to Parkman.

There were small differences between how Linderman and Ishi used their healing abilities. Someone else has already pointed out that there were differences between Paulette's Augmentation and Ando's Supercharging. Meredith and Flint have a Small variation in their ability(color).

Another point to Consider, Peter's Telepathy was replicated from Parkman, It is the same ability; No genetic variation. When we first met Arthur there was no evidence of special effects when he telepathically communicated with Maury, Adam or Knox.

It is possible that the Telepath that Arthur took his original gift from wasn't as powerful as Parkman's version, And so Arthur used the Parkman version after he took it from Peter.

Charles apparently read Angela's Mind and was able to Control the people in the Diner. Interesting to note that Angela seemed quite sure that they could make People"Forget".

My conclusion-Telepathy.

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evagolden
He knew the ''missing prom'' thing. It's not something he could've got from Hypnosis or an Eden version of Persuasion. However, he could've got it from Telepathy. Along with controlling people at the café, as we all know.

So whatever if the sound and visual effects were different than the usual telepathy-using, it's obviously is. Or something that does exactly the same thing as telepathy (which means, well, telepathy! lol)

Oh, and we never knew if Charles being in Peter's dream in Season 1 was a result of his power, or any power at all for that matter. It's just something some of us assumed.
wolfbro
QUOTE (1WngdAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 07:40 PM) *
Hypnosis sounds like a good explanation for what we saw tonight.

Then how did Charles know what Angela had dreamed Angela missing the prom? I'm definitely in the "some kind of Teep" camp.

Good point about Arthur's use of telepathy, MysteryMachine. We also didn't hear the SFX when he "spoke" to the doctor treating him.
demonoidx
QUOTE (1WngdAngel @ Apr 13 2009, 10:40 PM) *
Peter spoke with Charles in a "dream" once and we have no idea if it was Charles or Peter responsible for it happening. Hypnosis sounds like a good explanation for what we saw tonight.


This strike me..what if it was Angela is the one giving Pete a hand secretly?
Pushing him in to the dream just so he can speak to Charles..maybe
Zensu14
QUOTE (evagolden @ Apr 13 2009, 09:44 PM) *
He knew the ''missing prom'' thing. It's not something he could've got from Hypnosis or an Eden version of Persuasion. However, he could've got it from Telepathy. Along with controlling people at the café, as we all know.

So whatever if the sound and visual effects were different than the usual telepathy-using, it's obviously is. Or something that does exactly the same thing as telepathy (which means, well, telepathy! lol)


The effects didn't match whatsoever to Matt's or Maury's. No telepathy.

The writers have said that the effects matter, and there were none that matched to any known mental manipulation ability.
pawn6545
QUOTE (Zensu14 @ Apr 13 2009, 09:38 PM) *
That's..kinda redundant. Both have the power of flight. lol

Really even though they had two different powers that did the same thing but in different ways?
NUCLEARPUNCH
assuming the ability is parkman-style telepathy, could this explain where arthur petrelli got the ability from? for that to be the case, then we would have to go with the old-school explanation for peter's interaction with charles: he time traveled and was invisible.. then again, to quote charles himself, "does it matter?"
thecordler
it was telepathy, they cued many hints verbally.

angela states they erased the memories of all involved in prject icarus.

charles knew things about her, she commented how he knew about her without being told them.

he was able to sneak them pass the guards with his gift.

also It gives a theory to which allows for an explantion to arthur's absolute telepathy, stolen from charles on his removal from the company.

Zensu14
If it was telepathy, then why didn't Peter exhibit it in Season 1 after being near Charles all that time?
evagolden
To those who says it's not telepathy because of the sound effects, I just have one question:

If it's not telepathy, then what other power have the ability to BOTH know what a cute dreamer thinks AND control people in a restaurant! You find a power that can do both of those, and that is not telepathy, and I may agree with you!

Until then, telepathy!

Edit to Zensu: At first, except for Angela's dreaming, he never experienced any power except when he was around the one with power, because he didn't trained with Claude. And when he actually did, he had already met Matt anyway. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that Arthur took Charles power (that would explain why he had it but Maury didn't lost it), so no matter how much time Peter was around him, there were no power to absorb anymore.
Zensu14
Then if it was telepathy, why didn't Peter exhibit telepathy before meeting Matt Parkman?
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