So is this what the future of Heroes will be concerned with? A new Company, only this time it's a Family? With the goal to protect the secret of the existence of specials?

In that case, President Worf is going to have a Haitian Visitation.

I'd like that outset. It gives the show and its main characters a purpose to work from. Go back to normal lives as cover identities, and help others keep their lives as normal as possible.

You think it's going to happen?

There's a new "Company" in the making, from what I can tell Angela will once again be in control and she's already mentioned murder and mind washing amongst other things.
So how do you feel about them, are their intentions noble or self-serving?
Do you believe they will be the good that the EH's need or will they be the dangerous people with abilities that justify to the world what Danko is doing is right?

I hope so. I really that idea.

*prays to the nothing he believes in*

For some reason, I kept getting images of the Godfather. Something about an Italian family talking about and planning their covert operations.

But yeah, I also really like that idea too. Giving them and the show some kind of drive and focus again, without all the formality of The Company sounds like a really good idea.

I love this idea a lot. Our Heroes finally have a purpose and can protect others. They've always done this, but now it's taking an official form. I mentioned this in another forum, but since this is a family thing, the Bennetts and the Petrelli's could be living under the same roof next season. Simon, Monty, Lyle, Sandra, and Mr.Muggles are sure going to adopt a great legacy and responsbility

Don't think Peter will let that happen. I think Peter wants them to go out and do secret super-hero stuff and secretly save people...

I really hope that it will be the case. The Company's idea was good, but it was somehow corrupted and filled with distrust. The Family (huh, it really does have some Don Corleone feeling to it...) which would be based on trust and forgiveness could work out even better.

That's the feeling I got too. Seems like Pete's up for it, but like Mo said he wants to do it the right way cause he's not as scared from what happened in the past (Coyote Sands).

I'd love to see that!

I see the seeds of 5yg being planted.-Noahs underground railroad/Peters resistance movement/President Sylar climbing the ladder to office.-The string has been frayed a little,but it all seems to be twisting back into place.

Which would finally make sense of Charles Deveaux's words to Angela about Peter, and how important human values were. I'd really love to see something like this happen!

i loved it when peter said the family lines it was awesome XD i cant wait for this company to be made ooops "the family" lol

And now I'm imagining the President sitting in the Oval office, the Haitian coming in and then the president pulling out a bat'leth.

I don't think it fits either group.

I think it'll be similar to the old Company actually- only without the kidnappings. Dangerous ones will be imprisoned, out of control but not dangerous will be taken in and instructed on the use of their power.. basically, what Noah suggest the Company was when he first started.

I'm getting excited for this because it sounds as though the Company can come back the way it was supposed to be and will this time be a family oriented business. The "old" company started out right, but got corrupted overtime due to a lot of the founders losing their way. I like that they can get it back on the correct track now.

Noah as Consigliere I like it!

Whether Nathan is Killed by Sylar so he can be President or Nathan serves the company hiding out wherever Angela has up her sleeve. Maybe she offers Sylar a truce?

haha. I thought the EXACT same thing.

"Is it not a bit stereotypical that the people talking about family getting together are Italian?"

Makes you wonder if that makes Angela the God...Mother.

I was thinking more along this will be the beginning of a new less mercenary Company, called "the Foundation" or something benevolent like that, whose primary objective will be to help the HEBs, not police them. (What Bob did for Monica Linderman could have done for Ted and who knows how life would have been for Gabriel if Elle had helped him.)

I'm not saying I'd like Heroes to become "The Foundation Chronicles" but it would sort of be a backdrop to HEBs running into eachother, like Xavier's school or the JLA satellite don't really do anything by themselves, they're just 'connective points' whether you're a student/League member or not.

I think the policing is required.

Yes, Ted could have been taught and things might have ended differently. But Sylar? Normal prisons can't hold him. Normal cops can't touch him.

If the Company (whatever they call it now) doesn't police the HEBs, than nobody will.

Very, very true.

yeah , i really think angela is a bad leader , she has moral confusion so she will certainly end up corrupting any good that she might start.

Oh, could a mod maybe merge this topic with this one?

No, somebody will and that's the problem. But I take your point. Hence primary objective.

And I mean, come on, putting a locator on the radioactive man then erase his memory of it and let his wife die so he can turn his neighborhood into a crater in his grief? Yeah, that's much more effective than letting him know mysterious people out there knows who he is and what he can do and want to help but if he starts trouble they'll show him what they can do.

Well, ideally Angela would leave the actual running of things to the younger generation and only help in an advisory capacity. Dreams of the future and experience of the past. If she's as tired as she's claimed to be, I think she'd be happy to have it that way.

Yeah. Like I said, people like Ted can be taught and helped. He was dangerous, but only because he wasn't aware of what he was doing. (If they'd taken the proper steps, his wife probably wouldn't have died.)

I do think they made the right call putting people like Doyle and Knox on Level 5. There definitely needs to be a place where the deliberately dangerous HEBs can be locked away, even executed. (Which is another debate for another time. lol)

I agree with Synch. The Family has to police.

Who is going to be the head of the family? Peter? Nathan? I smell a power struggle!

Nathan as the head, Peter as the heart. How's that?

She's nothing of the sort. 'Moral confusion' implies she flips flops between sides without any reason or purpose. It couldn't have been made any clearer that she has/had a reason for doing the things she's done.

But yeah, I agree with Shader. After fifty years of watching one Company rise and fall, I can't imagine she'd want to be heading a new one.

Absolutely, I wasn't arguing against you there. I just meant the Men in Black were policing aliens but they didn't erase the aliens' memories. The aliens knew if they started something MIB would put their thing down.


If you say so. But if the Company gets access to abilities like Matt's, Matt Jr.'s and the Haitian's is a Level 5 still necessary except as a last resort on a long list of resorts (and I don't mean Disney World)?

So what you would prefer is for the Company to be even more invasive than ever before? To the point of completely removing the free will of the people they're watching?

How much free will do you have in a prison? lol


I see the point though. At some point somebody's values will have to bend if not outright be broken... Everyone with a power cannot be policed by "normal" means and then the choice is confinement or mind-altering. (If not death...)

You have the freedom to do anything you want in prison. Some things will have specific repercussions, but you still have the freedom to do them.

Getting the Haitian and Parkman involved...that strips away any semblance of freedom and turns them into puppets.

Not at all. I'm simply saying that Ted would have been made aware that there are other people with abilities (he wouldn't be given specifics at this point, of course) and an organization of such people are aware of his abilities and if he needs their help they're willing. But if he does anything that exposes him, they will get involved to prevent it. I'm not saying they'll bug his house but if some government body is looking into radiation in his area Company agents will be looking into what the hubbub is about anyway and his name will come up on their radar.

The same would go for Doyle or Knox. But if they persisted, Company agents would have pursued and interceded in some way to keep things contained. If they persisted still after being confronted, measures would be taken and if those fail, there are extreme measures e.g. shutting off their abilities and perhaps even erasing their memories of ever having abilities (depending on who's doing the mindwipe). Imprisonment and execution would be more extreme still. That's my thinking anyway but if that's unrealistic I'm all ears.

EDIT: Heck, in time they could have a whole trial thing in place. If you persist you're captured, held in Level 5, given a "lawyer" to help you speak for yourself against a "prosecutor" in front of a jury of HEB peers who will decide what's to be done (probation, stripping of abilities, memory wipe etc). OK, I'm way out here now...

Ted was accidentally dangerous.

Doyle, Knox, most of the others on Level 5, were deliberately dangerous. They weren't going to listen to someone who asked them to play nice.
And erasing their memories would do nothing to them anyway. They made their choices, they placed their bets.

That's what I'm saying. That's why it would be "Play nice or else..." From what I can tell, Doyle and Knox may not have even known the Company existed while being hunted to be put in Level 5.

They already knew the "play nice or else." Just because they're strong enough to overcome normal rules doesn't mean they don't apply.

What they were doing was clearly wrong, and they obviously knew it. They surrendered any right to a warning by their actions. "Play nice or else" is like sitting the classroom bully in a corner and expecting it to be a lesson that sticks.

I'm not sure where you're coming from.

"If you don't use your abilities responsibly, we'll take them away. If you're lucky, you won't be left thinking you're 10 years old. Now for the last time, be reasonable!" I'm not saying that speech would discourage everyone. Doyle and Knox might not listen and Sylar might take it as a challenge but at least letting them make an informed decision on whether to play ball or not makes all the difference, I'd say.

say for example if peters power advanced to arthur's ability and he could totally strip the power of an EH then he could take any agents power if they dont obey XD

They've already made the informed choice by choosing to act in the way they have. They know what they're doing is wrong, but they think they have the right because they have the power.

It's the same rationale non-powered criminals use. And, by using the rationale, they have negated any right to a "warning."

Just grab them and shove them in a cell. Case closed. Don't let them out and give them a chance to either recover or commit the crimes again.

i was thinking that too peter is awesome a good soul

Oddly...that's not what Peter said. I distinctly heard him say that he wants to rebuild the Company, but to do it right this time.

Right and wrong is makebelieve. But that's neither here nor there. What they've already done would of course influence how they're treated by the Company, of course. But I'm talking about giving them the choice to work off their debt to society as the Company sees fit. If they reject that, well, then the kid gloves are off.


Rights are just makebelieve. But that's neither here nor there. As you might tell from above, it wouldn't be a warning.


You could do that. But (if we pretend laws aren't makebelieve) that's kidnapping and illegal imprisonment while there are no laws against using superpowers on people to take away superpowers or erase their memories.

Claiming right and wrong are make believe is..actually, both completely laughable and absolutely terrifying. Because it means you have no moral compass.

If they're make believe, you might as well do whatever feels good to you.

They (men and women like Doyle, Knox, Flint, etc) have given up all expectation of their own rights by violating, or completely destroying, the rights of others. And I'm not talking about basic theft. Murder, rape, torture (physical and psychological). If someone, or something, has the power to make them face justice, than so be it.

And justice is not a mindwipe and freedom. That's not making them pay for what they've done.

Yeah, that's what came to mind for me too. Maybe because of this and this.

Something about a group consisting primarily of dark-haired, etruscan-featured Italian Americans sitting around a table and talking about forming an organization they would refer to as a "family" does bring certain imagery to mind...

Call me crazy, but none of that is going to help the chief cause of the family... to prevent people finding out about them with powers. That's what I thought their goal was. Am I wrong?

Also, I have to side with Synch about this. I've never been told not to murder (even though everyone is physically capable of commiting it). I wouldn't expect to be warned if I commited it, I'd expect prison. The fact is, what the family are talking about is like a much, much more difficult version of real life policing. They have to police, in secret, as the company did before them, but adhering to a more strict moral compass. I'm really interested to see how they will achieve this. I do fear they [the writers] might just stick to the situations that they can actually see a way out of.

Also didn't Peter work for the (Irish) Mafia in season 2? (...Maybe shouldn't have brought it up again...)

Actually I'm one of the most morally conscious people you can imagine. 10 years ago I understood right and wrong is make believe and I've been suicidal and self-destructive ever since but I've never harmed a fly. None of us have moral compasses, that doesn't mean we would prefer things go south.


As well as what? That's what we do. Why do you think Peter wants to save the world? Because it's painful and he's a masochist? Right and wrong is make believe, people caring for others is not.


Like I said, they don't have rights. Neither do their victims. Just like neither you or I have the right to be breathing. That's just our egos talking, little white lies in our ears to keep us safe from despair.


Justice is also a figment of our egos (lots of our everyday concepts are). I was talking about keeping the existence of HEBs secret without locking people up for the rest of their lives or erasing their memories unless other options are deemed insufficient. Discussing what is and isn't justice I leave to people who IMHO still have those self-delusions.

Not expecting you to agree with me, of course, just stating my view on things.

Well, yes. It would prevent the general public and the government from finding out if the Company kept various degrees of contact with all identified HEBs. Some would only be aware a mysterious organization was helping them but would turn on them if they went on a rampage, others would want to get involved and eventually would be brought into the club and get to secretly use their abilities in the service of mankind and the rest would be policed. Ideally some time in the future people secretly aware of the HEBs would be so many that the government wouldn't be able to hunt HEBs. Wow, aren't I optimistic?


I agree with all of this. Well put.

Cheers! I aim to please. Sometimes.