Kiquito
Apr 14 2009, 01:42 PM
How is it Mohinder's father, Chandra, was in Coyote Sands in 1961?
In season one we saw Mohinder's flashbacks of him as a child in India (I forget the name of the episode). I had thought that Chandra first learned of abilities from his own daughter Shanti. In that episode, I thought that it was at that point when Chandra, being determined to find a cure, started his research on abilities and wrote the book "Activating Evolution".
And why did he say Gabriel Grey was his first to research? He even gave Gabriel (Sylar) the nickname "Patient Zero". So he's covering up his past "patients"?
Am I just confused on the timeline? Did I miss a clue somewhere? Like maybe Chandra jumping on a plane back to India after 1961 to get married and cover up his past...
Or does it sound to you like the writers are just making it up on the fly and not caring to tie in Chandra's past very well for us?
It seems to me they've ignored the whole Shanti story and now want us to believe that Chandra did research long before he discovered his own daughter's power!?
Am I alone here or does it bug anyone else that this whole discovery of Chandra's past wasn't tied in better?
LowerTheBar
Apr 14 2009, 01:46 PM
You're definitely not alone. The
Coyote Sands thread pretty much turned into a discussion of "wtf was Chandra doing at C.S.?"
The answer still isn't clear. It's still possible to reconcile the differences within the show, but the show hasn't made much of an effort. I seriously hope they clear this up, in-show or at least in a GN.
Kiquito
Apr 14 2009, 01:56 PM
Yeah I try to keep an open mind, realizing the inconsistencies are small mistakes for the most part, but this one is going to be hard for them to patch up I think.
Synch
Apr 14 2009, 02:03 PM
Fit in fine to me.
They said Shanti's virus was the vector into a specific research. The fact that he had been at the camp isn't negated- and actually makes more sense than "he stumbled across it looking for what made Shanti sick."
jeffv
Apr 14 2009, 02:55 PM
Angela said that, in "fixing" it, among other things, memories were erased. One will have to assume that Chandra Suresh's memory was erased, too, but he was drawn back into the same research as a result of his daughter's condition.
It's a theme in this show that people are drawn back to their fated path no matter what's done to avert it. Only the details differ.
feral
Apr 14 2009, 02:59 PM
In Season 1 I thought he just bumbled into finding psychotic Evolved Human "Patient Zero." Now though seeing he's had extensive research on Evolved Humans I'm wondering-- was he just the bumbling type like Mohinder blundering into mistakes, shifting alliances, or was it that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he was telling Gabriel that he wasn't special and leaving out the addresses of other Special people. Was he pushing him like the Company did later on and if so why?
Xodus
Apr 14 2009, 03:19 PM
QUOTE (jeffv @ Apr 14 2009, 06:55 PM)

Angela said that, in "fixing" it, among other things, memories were erased. One will have to assume that Chandra Suresh's memory was erased, too, but he was drawn back into the same research as a result of his daughter's condition.
It's a theme in this show that people are drawn back to their fated path no matter what's done to avert it. Only the details differ.
Yeah, that's what I assumed as well.
MrBAT523
Apr 14 2009, 04:10 PM
I figured his mind was erased sometime along the way, like Zimmerman's was. Over the years, the mental mojo wore off just enough to give him a conviction that evolved humans were possible. The fact that he had seen it prior, though his memory was erased, was like a repressed memory always bugging him. He did not conciously know it, but he was driven to it.
Citizen
Apr 14 2009, 04:10 PM
I guess his memory could have been erased or an incident at Coyote Sands made him forget all this, or he does know but he's just starting over again. Remember, he did have journal entries about test subjects in the 70s and 80s.
scarface34
Apr 14 2009, 05:08 PM
Maybe after the horror of Coyote Sands he wanted to get away from it all. Shanti's disease reawakened his desire for research on supers.
dcg
Apr 14 2009, 05:42 PM
In the opening scene of the last episode we see where the Landlord is speeking with Mohinder about Chandra. The landlord said something like... and that is when the nightmares began and he would yell in his sleep everynight. (not a drect quote. can't remember exactly what was said)
baisc point: Chandra did remember something about CS. He at least had his pass and one file. I think it was more though. The landlord said Chandra left a box... How large of a box? Oh no, goofy flashback to "What's in the box".
LowerTheBar
Apr 14 2009, 06:18 PM
All I'm hoping for really is that they don't leave it completely unexplained. I just want some explanation.
Typhon
Apr 15 2009, 06:43 AM
Chandra's memory being erased makes sense.But it should've been shown in the episode,just to clear up the confusion.However,we all knew that this episode was going to give rise to a lot of questions.Chandra could've easily been left out of the episode,yet the writers decided to feature him being part of the project.This leads me to believe that the writers know what they're doing and will be able to give a good,consistent answer to tie up this loose end.
philhos
Apr 15 2009, 06:48 AM
Remember, Mohinder's not going with the Petrellis and company. I almost got the feeling that Mo might even be staying at Coyote Sands. If so, we may see him delve into his father's past and we'll learn what exactly happened to Chandra's memories.
Kiquito
Apr 15 2009, 08:10 AM
I can buy the erased memory, and even the supressed memory, but I think the writers better catch up on some of those huge gaps before it gets carried away.
For example: if Chandra's memory was erased either by Charles or the Haitian, it's most likely Angela gave the order for it to happen... why wouldn't she have asked the Haitian or Charles to search his memories first about her lost sister?
fARSIGHT
Apr 15 2009, 08:50 AM
QUOTE (Kiquito @ Apr 15 2009, 11:10 AM)

I can buy the erased memory, and even the supressed memory, but I think the writers better catch up on some of those huge gaps before it gets carried away.
For example: if Chandra's memory was erased either by Charles or the Haitian, it's most likely Angela gave the order for it to happen... why wouldn't she have asked the Haitian or Charles to search his memories first about her lost sister?
Or maybe she did, and Chandra didn't know that Alice survived (and assumed that she died)... The way the scene was presented it seems like there were too much chaos at the time for them to know exactly what happened, and Alice seems to imply that she went into hiding afterwards...
Zensu14
Apr 15 2009, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (Kiquito @ Apr 15 2009, 11:10 AM)

For example: if Chandra's memory was erased either by Charles or the Haitian, it's most likely Angela gave the order for it to happen... why wouldn't she have asked the Haitian or Charles to search his memories first about her lost sister?
Well, Chandra was knocked away by Angela's and Alice's father, then promptly shot, which caused Alice to run away and hide underneath the building. Add in the confusion and I doubt Chandra would be able to focus on keeping track of her.
The guards probably moved Chandra to a safer location too.
bruno6969
Apr 16 2009, 05:04 AM
QUOTE (jeffv @ Apr 14 2009, 03:55 PM)

Angela said that, in "fixing" it, among other things, memories were erased. One will have to assume that Chandra Suresh's memory was erased, too, but he was drawn back into the same research as a result of his daughter's condition.
It's a theme in this show that people are drawn back to their fated path no matter what's done to avert it. Only the details differ.
Perfectly said.
QUOTE (Typhon @ Apr 15 2009, 07:43 AM)

Chandra's memory being erased makes sense.But it should've been shown in the episode,just to clear up the confusion.However,we all knew that this episode was going to give rise to a lot of questions.Chandra could've easily been left out of the episode,yet the writers decided to feature him being part of the project.This leads me to believe that the writers know what they're doing and will be able to give a good,consistent answer to tie up this loose end.
We can only hope, but I for one won't get my hopes up.
BrainMan
Apr 16 2009, 09:30 AM
QUOTE (jeffv @ Apr 14 2009, 04:55 PM)

Angela said that, in "fixing" it, among other things, memories were erased. One will have to assume that Chandra Suresh's memory was erased, too, but he was drawn back into the same research as a result of his daughter's condition.
It's a theme in this show that people are drawn back to their fated path no matter what's done to avert it. Only the details differ.
I think that also. And maybe he got lucky and had a baby that had abilities. And he (thanks to C man) can't figure out whats wrong. And remember He met the "boy who enters your dreams and gives you answers" And maybe that kinda restarted the whole i can figure this out, fueled by the death of his daughter.
And maybe with the kids dream guidance he decided the less people that know the better, plus no one believed him.
Kiquito
Apr 16 2009, 09:40 AM
QUOTE (BrainMan @ Apr 16 2009, 09:30 AM)

And maybe with the kids dream guidance he decided the less people that know the better, plus no one believed him.
If Chandra thought "The less people know the better", he wouldn't have written a book on it.
It will tie in, but I think the writers should have spent a little more time showing how it tied in before going into the whole Alice and Banana story. I think they're waiting until next episode to show Mohinder delving into the past to tie it in... but my point is the writers did it a little backwards in my opinion.
Zensu14
Apr 16 2009, 04:35 PM
QUOTE (BrainMan @ Apr 16 2009, 12:30 PM)

And remember He met the "boy who enters your dreams and gives you answers"
Add what the landlord said about Chandra occasionally yelling during the night due to his dreams (I think that's what he said) and everything kinda ties a bit more in together.
paigequinto
Apr 18 2009, 10:40 AM
does anyone know how to submit questions to BTE? I wanna ask about this whole timeline!
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