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Rocky Dragon
I realize this is probably over thinking this but if Hiro can freeze time in such a way as to stop a moving van hurtling down a highway you have to wonder what happens if other vehicles driving down the same highway arrive at the "edge" where his power ceases?

I mean it's widely believed Hiro's freezing power isn't complete thru the entire universe. He only freezes time in a bubble so to speak.

Thus at some point out away from him his power would no longer have any effect.

So anyone walking or traveling into that "sphere of influence" would suddenly freeze, right? Wouldn't cars be crashing into each other at that point?

Also, although the earth seems to be standing still we actually know that we are hurtling thru space as well as revolving and rotating.

Therefore if Hiro froze a certain area of earth would that area be ripped away from the planet and tossed into space from the inertia?
cLEmbeaR
hiro's chronosphere range does perturb me. but i'll just let the writers answer this.
MagnificoG
The writers were asked a long time ago how big his range was and they said he freezes everything everywhere.
Sayonara
I think he freezes everything.
yeslek
freezing everything would be the easiest answer and safest for those cars at the spheres edge smile.gif
Synch
Hiro freezes time, not people of things. He doesn't stop you from moving, he stops time from moving. A "bubble" wouldn't make sense- and the show actually argues against a personal bubble. (He walked for how many miles again? And everybody, and everything, was still frozen.)
Wrath22
QUOTE (Synch @ May 6 2009, 09:36 AM) *
Hiro freezes time, not people of things. He doesn't stop you from moving, he stops time from moving. A "bubble" wouldn't make sense- and the show actually argues against a personal bubble. (He walked for how many miles again? And everybody, and everything, was still frozen.)

Okay, so, does this help us understand what happened on the rooftop of the Deveaux Building in S1's Unexpected ep, when Peter stopped the tazer darts? I've long argued that it wasn't time-stop, and one of the indications was traffic moving in the streets below while the darts were hanging in mid air.
Synch
Definitely wasn't timestop.

Could've been Peter using the time-slow that we'd seen Hiro use, or TK.
berserker01
Didn't Daphne suggest that Hiro isn't really stopping time, since she can still move? Maybe instead of stopping time, he actually is moving so fast, that in relation, time appears stopped. But not in the same way as Daphne..
It makes more sense to think of it that way, because he is only affecting himself instead of the entire universe.
Synch
Except they would never have told us Hiro controlled space and time if all he controlled was himself. All Daphne told him was that he didn't stop time, not that he didn't slow it down. (In case you missed it- she went from moving super-fast to moving at normal speed- something even she noticed.)
shader2099
My thinking is like berserker01. If Hiro's speeding up his own time (his clock runs fast only in comparison to everything else's) he is effectively slowing down the entire universe (their clocks run slow only in comparison to him).

Alternatively Hiro is 'elongating' time so there is no 'edge' (here time is frozen but here it's not) but instead time is 'slowed' down less and less the further away from him so there is no way to tell for Average Joe to tell time is being messed with, from his perspective everything is moving along just the same no matter where he is.

The first one is simpler, I think.

And my thinking about Daphne is that she also affected time similar to Hiro's 'time stop' but it was linked to her movement. If so they're both similar but opposites at the same time in a way, Hiro moves fast across space as a side effect of altering time* while Daphne alters time to move fast across space.


* I'm talking about Hiro's time stop here, not his teleportation.
Synch
And by ignoring Hiro's teleportation, you ignore one of the biggest clues. A speedster, even a speedster who only speeds up their personal time (which still makes them a speedster, will not teleport. Only someone who is either purely a teleporter, or someone who can control space and time, can teleport.

You don't have to like it, but absolutely everything the show has given us makes it clear that what Hiro does is *gasp* exactly what we have been told by everyone in the show and out of it. He manipulates Time, not just his personal time, but all time.

Manipulating his personal time wouldn't have the effects we've seen. Manipulating his personal time, along with everything else we've seen that it couldn't do, wouldn't have made a bullet fired at him reverse along its personal timeline. Manipulating his personal time would have made time travel impossible.

Sorry guys, but he manipulates Time, not just his personal time.
WarMachine
Honestly, i think you guys are overthinking Hiro's power a little.
Absent
QUOTE (Synch @ Jun 29 2009, 07:47 PM) *
And by ignoring Hiro's teleportation, you ignore one of the biggest clues. A speedster, even a speedster who only speeds up their personal time (which still makes them a speedster, will not teleport. Only someone who is either purely a teleporter, or someone who can control space and time, can teleport.

You don't have to like it, but absolutely everything the show has given us makes it clear that what Hiro does is *gasp* exactly what we have been told by everyone in the show and out of it. He manipulates Time, not just his personal time, but all time.

Manipulating his personal time wouldn't have the effects we've seen. Manipulating his personal time, along with everything else we've seen that it couldn't do, wouldn't have made a bullet fired at him reverse along its personal timeline. Manipulating his personal time would have made time travel impossible.

Sorry guys, but he manipulates Time, not just his personal time.


In regards to your first paragraph, referring a speedster, when Daphne supercharged her power via Ando though, she enhanced her power to the extent of Hiro's, she actually went back in time as a speedster and to a different place. So Hiro's power can be transalated as an off-shoot of Daphne's power.

However to answer the OP I do think everything freezes like sync and most would suggest but to be more specific I think shader2099 is spot on:

"My thinking is like berserker01. If Hiro's speeding up his own time (his clock runs fast only in comparison to everything else's) he is effectively slowing down the entire universe (their clocks run slow only in comparison to him)."

That would explain very well how Daphne's power enhanced allowed her to go back in time to collect Hiro from the past.
shader2099
Absent,
Finally someone takes the time (no pun intended) to think about what I'm saying!

QUOTE (Synch @ Jun 29 2009, 08:47 PM) *
And by ignoring Hiro's teleportation, you ignore one of the biggest clues. A speedster, even a speedster who only speeds up their personal time (which still makes them a speedster, will not teleport. Only someone who is either purely a teleporter, or someone who can control space and time, can teleport.

Which is precisely why I said I was discussing Hiro's time freezing, not his teleporting.
QUOTE (Synch @ Jun 29 2009, 08:47 PM) *
You don't have to like it, but absolutely everything the show has given us makes it clear that what Hiro does is *gasp* exactly what we have been told by everyone in the show and out of it. He manipulates Time, not just his personal time, but all time.

I must have missed the episode where they discuss Hiro's ability in detail.
QUOTE (Synch @ Jun 29 2009, 08:47 PM) *
Manipulating his personal time wouldn't have the effects we've seen. Manipulating his personal time, along with everything else we've seen that it couldn't do, wouldn't have made a bullet fired at him reverse along its personal timeline. Manipulating his personal time would have made time travel impossible.

Sorry guys, but he manipulates Time, not just his personal time.

I didn't say that was the limit of Hiro's powers, I was discussing the nature of time freezing.
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