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Episode's finished, for me!

A really nice one, a great plan to get rid of Sylar... kinda! 'told you that's the way to make things interesting: Make the bad guy uber-strong compared to the good guys, yet find a way to beat him up!

Except he's not completely beaten up, as we see in Redemption. We can take everything out of him, but there is something that is truly his, as he said in ''I am Sylar''! 'can't wait to see how that will play out!

Also, Ali's back! Tracy or Barbara? I mean, Tracy's power is Ice, not Water, but Ice and Water are very similar! And her attacking the agent is it Tracy's revenge, or Barbara having some weird plan we'll hear next Volume? Can't wait!

Other stuff I'm really waiting for: 1- How will Hiro deal with his headaches and 2- What is on the Mohinder's film? Again stuff from next season I guess!

Anyway, I liked how things got together! I though episodes were missing some connection this season, but this time it weren't the case! Great ending!

Why did I click on this thread? Now I wanna read the spoilers. >.<

*Checks to make sure that Heroes is actually recording at the right time . . . *

Wicked awesome episode... I was in tears. Ok, so it's not hard to render me to a blubbering mess... but it was still good. The part where Sylar was like... hitting on Claire had me SQUIRMING. It was so creepy (I loved it, but it was still creepy). It wasn't that long ago we thought they were related man... lol
And as far as me crying... that was mostly because I am a Mother. I started to cry when Angela found Nathan... I mean, I teared up when Sylar killed him, but the tears flowed when she found him dead. Now. As far as begging Parkman to make Sylar think he's Nathan... I don't know what Mother could be around someone who she really knew was a cold hearted killer who just THOUGHT he was her son.
That's just weird.
Also... would that even work?! I don't know, I guess Heroes has the right to write their own laws. lol

this chapter was great n now i cant wait til next season....its gonna be amazin'

what an amazing episode!!

when the president turned into Peter and stabbed Sylar

to me, that was symbolic of how HEROES is gonna be great again!

damnit NBC, really?! you gotta be this good at the end of the season!!

I agree with some people in the negative thread they should be showing more of the fight scenes, but the overall episode was quite wonderful... actually satisfied unlike I have been in previous seasons.

The acting was superb, and the episode started off pretty good. I like Peter, and the way that he took out Sylar, Matt was awesome in his power usage, and it was excellent seeing Tracy in all her nakedness!! lol

This was a really good episode... I just can't get over the ending, and I mean that in the most negative way possible. See the negative thread. This is actually keeping me from enjoying the positive parts... :[

I'm gonna focus on the positive of it all -

Angela - awesome!
Peter - still kicks butt
HRG - wonderfully grey as always

I'm gonna say I do like everything expect for one thing, which will be placed in the negative thread.

Actually, I really don't understand all that hate about the ending.

Seriously, during this whole volume, all I could read about is how ''this is Sylar's show'', ''Sylar's too powerful, and Peter's gone weak, no one can beat him now'', etc, etc. It was annoying, because I knew that the only thing it meant was that they had to find a very cunning way to beat him up! Which they did! And it was awesome! In his present state, Sylar is even weaker than how he were at the beginning of the second season!

And people still complain about it! They complaint because their prediction about Sylar didn't actually happened!

That's annoying!

Wow. That was amazing! I haven't been this impressed with Heroes since season one!

Not sure if I agree with the whole Sylar = Nathan thing (IMO, it's just wrong ), but it has the potential to be very interesting.
Oh, and Tracy (I'm guessing) is back! I definitely didn't see that coming!
My favorite part was Peter finally taking Sylar down! Yay!

(spoiler tagging just in case!)

A very good episode. I don't get all the haters over in the negative forum, but hey to each their own I suppose. Very nice ending to an overall good chapter!

ITBS - that was my fave too

Really liked this episode. Didn't even need to see the fight scene, everything was epic without it. Peter taking down Sylar was awesome and I'll admit I didn't even see it coming. Most importantly, I'm pumped for a new season. I can already see the drama that will develop. Here is to hoping that Peter regains his true power!

The most epic part of this episode was Peter, by far. I'm a long time Peter fan and he's gotten almost no attention. Finally we see something very heroic and pretty darn BA coming from his department. I just hope that this continues, and that slowly we see his powers return; losing them turned out to be the best thing for him and so I'm cautious in wanting his powers back... I want them back but intelligently used. Not sure if that can be done.

This was a great episode!

I like the fact that we know that inside Sylar still exists; it may take a while for the memories to come back, but inside as soon as he is reminded his memories will heal. It puts him in great position to fake out the clan and become powerful very quickly. He has all of Nathan's memories, as soon as he remembers it's ON! Peter is very powerful and he has to have an opposite; now he no longer has to travel in his brothers shadow, it's all up to him now to save the world as Charles predicted. Besides, we all know that Sylar could never be held back by Parkman; it will take a little time.
It sets up the next season very well, and we all have to remember 2 main points.

1)They have to set up next season to end the series if necessary
2)Look at what Fuller had to work with!

I also love how Tracy came back for revenge.. That story is going to get good.

For the most part, GREAT episode! Other than the whole fight cop-out and the Nathan=Sylar things, this episode was amazing! Hiro freezes time, takes out Building 26, and saves HRG's life! Sweet! Sylar proposes to Claire in a creepy way! Awesome! Peter poses as the president and takes out Sylar! Oh yeah! Tracy returning in water-controlling vengeful form, um, naked! HECK YEAH!

Overall I thought this episode was very entertaining with lots of suprising twists and turns, and it probably was the best finale we've had, all things considered. I can't wait until the next volume starts.

Look, as far as I can tell there's only about 10% of the epi that people aren't happy with - the rest of it was really good. Why can't we focus on the stuff we loved about it.

Peter's back to his old self, I love that.
Claire's, while still kinda dumb, has been less annoying
Angela is always great
HRG and the Danko stuff was something that could be a nice set up for Vol 5

there were a few iffy parts, but overall I am very happy. great episode. I give it an A.

Besides wanting to see the battle (but understanding why they didn't show it), I did like this episode (not spectacular, but not at all terrible, in my opinion).
And I am one of the few, I guess, who didn't mind it not ending on a "happy" note.

As for Sylar becoming Nathan...I completely understand it. They are inching toward the 5 years in the future scenario. Angela's decision? WAS NOT THINKING...however, she was a distraught mother who could not think straight. HRG going along with it...also, really not thinking. Which just shows that in desperate times, they are simply human (powers or not). Sure we can dissect things whilst sitting back watching a show, but they are having characters react quickly. We all know we, or someone we know, have been in a situation(s) where the obvious solution is forgot, and we make a bad choice. Makes life interesting, and sooner or later it comes back to bite you in the ******, and HOPEFULLY you learn from it. Some people just don't.
And the symbolism is soooo there that there will be a confrontation between Sylar and Peter. That scene of them standing opposite each other at the bonfire sets it all up...

Good points Harmony

5YG is probably one of my fave epi's with Company Man. I didn't really see it until you mentioned it - thanks for pointing that out. We do seem to be edging toward that but without blowing up a major metropolis

I thought it was awesome.

The whole thing, from what i've seen via rumours, was obvious, but the execution of it was far better than i thought it would be. The death itself wasn't dragged out, it was swift, brutal and sort of deserving in a weird sense.

I agree for the most part. With the exception of him not going after his brother, everything about Peter in this episode is pure awesomeness! Especially when he shoved the syringe through Sylar's brain! I'm just interested to know if he has all of Sylar's powers or only shapeshifting? Though I guess after 6 weeks, it might not matter since he could have easily stolen someone else's.

Loved Peter and Tracy.

I absolutely loved this episode. I think that the Sylar = Nathan plot is amazing. It's much like a plotline that was introduced in a comic called Exiles: a shapeshifter, Morph, was possessed by a bad guy, but they used some sort of psychic mind device to trick the bad guy into thinking that he WAS Morph, but that plot line was basically pushed aside when they switched writers. So I'm definitely hoping that it's handled better in Heroes! It has so much awesomeness potential! So yeah, I loved it. I really don't get all of the hate. I mean, I was never expecting some sort of "huge battle", no TV budget could do a Peter/Nathan/Sylar battle justice. I'm glad they left it up to the imagination. And the Peter/President switch! Amazing! I didn't see it coming at all!

Besides the ending I loved everything else about this episode. I'd say this is the strongest finale (though with the most disappointing ending).

I'm really liking the new limit on Hiro's power. It's adding another good element to his character.

Tracy getting water powers... I liked that. She could become the "villain" of volume 5, and we could get to explore more of the Micah/Tracy relationship next volume.

Peter took a backseat through most of the episode until he (quite awesomely) injected that syringe into Sylar's neck. That was pure awesome.

1) Angela's great acting discovering Nathan dead was moving. I felt for her.
2) Peter being the President pleasantly surprised me.
3) Tracy (at least i believe it was her) showing up for revenge was nice.
4) Alot of people groaned about not seeing the battle, but i thought it was done nicely. We start to see the beginning of it. Nathan gets hit with electricity and Peter appears to be tackling Sylar. The door closes shut. When Claire opens the door, the room is destroyed.

I have a few negatives about the episode, but that's not for this board.

7 out of 10 stars.

LOVED this episode for the most part.
By far, my favorite finale yet. There were so many great moments!

Let me start by saying how excited I am for Traci being the big bad of the next arc. Finally, we have a villain who is not simply made dangerous by the fact that they can have everyone's power or simply not die. That being said, I do believe that she is by far the most dangerous. How do you stop someone who can turn into H2O?

While I am utterly disturbed by Angela's calm with having her son's killer becoming her son along with the fact that there were better ways to cover up Nathan's death, I am pleased with what it allows. Sylar gets put on the back-burner without becoming a side-show like he was in Season 2, but he still remains the big threat.

This is the most I've been entertained all season.

Plus, I really enjoyed the fact that Sylar was stopped by a clever plan as opposed to brute force.
That was a very satisfying moment when I realized that Sylar wasn't shaking hands with who he thought he was.

I really liked this episode. The acting was top notch and I enjoyed the clever plan to take down Sylar.

I'm iffy on the SylarNathan thing, but I'm opening to seeing where it goes in Volume 5. I just can't believe that he'll stay believing he's Nathan very long. I think Angela's "sentimentality" as Arthur would put it, will come back to bite them in the booty. Though, I'm sure everyone else believes that too and I'm not going out on too far of a limb.

I agree with you on the fight scene sentiments.

Too many people wanted an epic battle, which I understand, but that scene wasn't about the fight. It was about the suspense.

Imagine if we had seen the whole fight. Would Peter faking-out Sylar had been a surprise? We knew from his inability to chase Sylar and Nathan that he didn't have flying, but we didn't know what he -did- have.

Personally, I saw enough effects to keep me happy.

WOO! Someone else spells her name like I do.
I like it being splled with an 'i' a lot better.

This was the first ep where after I finished watching I just sat there thinking, "WTF did I just see?" I'm still not sure what I think about that ending.

I did enjoy seeing Sylar ham it up on the cheesy, sort of creepy evilness with Claire. Apparently he did get Doyle's power. . . apparently the non-killing way. . . 'cause he sure seemed to have it there.

I felt really gypped when they had an earth-shaking, climactic battle without showing us, but I know, I know-- They wanted us not to know whether Peter had managed to touch Sylar or not. They could've shown us most of the battle, though, and just cut away to Claire's reactions. Then we would be left to assume the touching had taken place off-camera.

I'm not sure I liked the idea of Hiro stopping time and taking out a whole base full of people, especially since it would've meant carrying a bunch of people from place to place. It just seems unrealistic, and like it would take hours. Of course, so would pushing Ando for miles and miles in a wheelbarrow, in that other ep. Maybe the reason he's having trouble with his power is 'cause he's overtaxing his little geek brain by stopping time for hours on end! He should stop that.

I was highly creeped out by Nathan's death scene, since I have a huge phobia of dying by throat-slashing. I might've been okay if they hadn't shown so much of it, but the way they drew it out, I was just cringing the whole time!

I liked the emotion in the scene where Angela wailed over the body, though. I didn't even like Nathan, but she almost made me cry for him. While I'm at it, I also liked the way she acted around Nylar the whole rest of the ep. I can tell it's gonna be hard for her having to be around him knowing who he really is. I think in her desperation not to lose Nathan, she wasn't thinking in the long-term about how she would have to deal with the consequences of that choice.

What did they do with real Nathan's body? It's a government coverup! Speaking of coverups, how did people not know the body they burnt was dead longer than what they thought Sylar was? If he was in refrigeration, did they take the time to thaw him out first? If he wasn't in refrigeration, wouldn't be be a bit ripe?

I liked the next volume preview, with the freaky Nylar clock-obsessing tendencies and Tracy (?) attacking people through the sink. Is that Tracy, though? I thought her only powers were ice-based, not water. Maybe she's Barbara? *slightly confused now* Why do we have to wait so long to get answers?

This was season one quality. Aaaaaand Peter has OFFICIALLY regained my respect.


Also, when Sylar shape-shifted into Liam and did that evil grin, if I hadn't known any better, I would've thought that it was Anthony Perkins, circa 1960!

Wow. Just wow.

This epi was everything people have said was missing this season.

Nathan is dead and gone and I think the preview for the next volume made that clear- Sylar is coming back next season, although it'll probably be very little at a time. (He'll have to reach the point where he knows there's something he forgot before Claire's ability will be able to fight through Matt's mind wipe.)

The unseen fight wasn't surprising to me, mainly because it's a trick as old as television in order to cut back on costs- don't show the actual fight, just some of the blowback.

Tracy's return was awesome. Looks like she's gonna be the big bad next season- and the naked "through the pipes" trick of hers is awesome. Looks like she's figured out that she can manipulate water instead of just turning to ice. (Unless she fills the victim's lungs with ice and just lets it melt?)

Peter's take-down of Sylar was pure gold- I honestly didn't see that one coming at all.

So many awesome moments in this. There was a real sense of tension and foreboding about the whole episode, which was great. A bit of a mixed bag though...*goes off to the negative thread to post*

I would have been fine with it if NBC hadn't promoed it for 3 weeks as an epic battle.. but anyway..

Likes- Everything Prior to the fight scene..

Peter- Man proved once again it's not about how MUCH screentime you have but you do WITH it that counts. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Wasn't surprised it was him in the limo but loved it anyway, especially the way he leaned back and held the syringe afterwards *swoon*
"Well you're gonna be a big help"
"We're going to course correct"
"Betcha didn't expect me to take THAT one.."

Claire's disgust over her convo with Sylar, well acted..

That whole scene in fact, so well done..

HRG in the beginning of the show helping Claire & Angela get away, I knew there was more to it than they showed last week..

Angela- she just rocked it, until Nathan died...

Matt- Loved his couple scenes, loved his conflict and being the only sound voice of reason over the whole Nathan into Sylar thing, maybe the ONLY thing as of right now I'm looking forward to watching next season, his conflict with that decision and it's repercussions..

HRG & Danko's "heart to heart" so awesome..

I am actually pretty happy with the Sylar as Nathan thing. I think it will make things interesting next season. Though I will miss the true Petrelli brother's interaction. I really like how that one decision has so many consequences for multiple characters.

Angela was great. No surprise there. Christine is awesome.

Sylar "courting" Claire was both disgusting and fun. Can't wait until she finds out who daddy really is.

I frakking loved Tracy's return. pixie is angry and she's gonna settle the score. A nice set-up for our villainess next volume.

Overall 8.5/10

Positive Aspects:

Some great acting all round.
Peter's smarts.
Angela's scream (an instant classic).

Very awesome. Sad about Nathan though. Dark death. Reminded me of Revenge of the Sith when all the Jedi died without much fight. Sad times.

Totally agree with everything you said. Also, the unseen fighting was used in the big fight between Sylar and Peter in "Five Years Gone" also...shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. They don't have a blockbuster movie budget so they could never do that fight justice anyway even if they tried to show it.

Some people are nitpicking the decision of the characters with the Sylar into Nathan thing but I think it was well done. Glad they've decided not to go back to the Claire's blood heals everyone well again. Angela and HRG covering up and doing what's necessary...and Angela trying to cling to her dead son. Peter and Claire being left out of it because they would never go along with something like this. Matt put in the middle and torn about the morality of the plan.

I'm really excited to see what they do with the new "Company" next season. The Company was such a huge part of Season 1...trying to figure out who these people were, what they wanted and why they were capturing and tracking specials was really a great storyline. Once they de-mystified The Company and the founders started dropping off like flies, that's when I felt like the show starting losing it's identity. There is so much potential for what they can do with this new Company and it will be interesting to see some of our main characters in a position to finally use their powers to change the world and make a difference instead of always being on the run or in hiding or fighting against the people in control.

I really enjoyed tonights finale. There are many negatives I have, but will not post them because I understand the reasons for them. I enjoyed the action and suspense and the setup for season 4. I can't wait for it. The reason for such negativity is obviously that besides being a great episode, this was the last of the crap that many have been complaining about all season from the so called 4-year-old writers that wrote it. I've always loved it regardless and never had a problem with the writing, but the negatives have won over the positives this season and shows in the ratings. I have high hopes for next season and Heroes will last many more seasons because Fuller is going to have a clean slate to work with and officially get the show back on track. The fight scene reminded me of the 5YG fight we did not see and this is probably an inidicator of that. I wonder how the Sylar/Nathan thing is going to work. I can't wait for next season and I am confident the ratings will return to normal and people will return.

Loved it...

awesome ep! should have shown us the fight but i still loved it!

For the most part I liked this episode. I don't see the major disappointment everyone else is seeing, honestly. I personally think that people are expecting too much out of the show/finale.

Fight scene - Yeah, sure, it would've been nice to see it. But they don't have a stupendous budget. In fact, their budget has been on the decline. I mean, Loeb, Alexander, and now Beeman are now gone from the show. How are they going to afford a giant fight sequence if they can't keep some of their staff?

Nathan's death - People are complaining about this now? After they've constantly ***** about people coming back to life? Please people make up your mind!

Sylar - It was good to see Sylar get taken down several notches. After his free reign of terrorizing and becoming the show's fallback character in its times of woe, it was good the see him, I don't know, seem a bit more fallible.

Now that i've watched it a couple of times I can post in THIS thread & not the neg-(knew I liked it but had to double check) I personally loved Hiro & Ando taking down building 26 & capping it off with the Danko scene.Glad they have already said Hiro will be back next season so I don't have to worry about him & Ando leaving after the "funeral".

I was dissapointed with S2 (#%$@ writers strike) but all things considered I think they have recovered the storylines quite well & am looking forward to the next volume.
Hopefully we will get some founders backstory from the GNs this summer to fill in a few gaps.

Fantastic episode. I like the direction they are going. By the looks of the Negative review thread it seems a lot of people "don't get it". People want characters to die in a way to push the story, and that's what happened. Sorry it was Nathan but this character will make a more interesting Nathan AND a more interesting Sylar. If you can't see the possibilities for awesomeness then go watch Law & Order Reruns.


And in regards to the blood, why not save EVERYONE EVERY TIME!!! Claire can be a medic with Peter and just go spraying healing blood all over town!! Let it go, plot device expired.

Overall I liked the finale. But I don't like how they let Sylar live AGAIN. I don't get why Angela and Noah couldn't be honest with Pete and Claire for a change. Tell them Nathan's dead, and have Pete go to The President as Nathan to stop the hunt. Problem solved, without the ickyness.