From what i can remember, sylar never had the ability of flight before this episode. Not to mention he killed nathan after he had already flown. So how can flight be explained. I thought elle was the last person he took powers from using empathy...

He doesn't have flight. He uses TK on himself to simulate flying, but it's not true flying.

He did that since a long time ago!

ahh that's right. i forgot. yea, he used it to levitate when he killed the mechanic with super hearing.

He doesn't have to understand the person (ie empathy) he has to understand the power to gain. In "I Am Become Death" he gains Knox's power after seeing it in use. So far he has gained:

Electrical Maipulation

Puppetry ( possibility, the way he was using his hands looked very similar to the puppet man)

Shape Shifting

Flight

Sylar does not have puppetry.

And though the writers said he got shape shifting by empathy, it's just not true. He cut a small hole in the guy's head, took the power thingy and put a knife in.

"Flight" was telekinesis.

he spent a lot of time with nathan so he used empathy to get flight.

Yeah, he can get powers without killing if he can get an empathic feel for the person. Arthur describe this in Villains. And since he can learn things by touching them, he learned a lot about Nathan while in his office. But it still could of have been TK. I'm cool with that. I didn't like that he had Doyle's power though. That was uncool. Doyle is waaaaaaay creepier than Sylar.

Yup, im going to have to go ahead and call empathy. With sylar, he needs a small understanding of the person..

- Like he empathically linked with Elle
- They spent a chunk of an episode following the guy who initially had the morphing ability so he could "understand" the guy, and why he used his power and stuff.

-And now, not only did he spend tons of time around Nathan (and WAS him), he touched all of his things and learned everything there was to know about him. If thats not enough to empathically connect with somebody i dont know what is! He surely was able to just steal the power of flight from him empathically.

Since Sylars recent "transformation" will he still have flight the way Nathan had it? i didn't see him take the ability and i know that he can just use tk to fly but that requires a completely different mindset that Nathan didn't have. Don't you think New Nathan would wonder why he cant fly the way he used to? (if he even can at all since Sylars abilities are dormant)

They will most likely cover that sometime. Maybe Matt convinced him that he was naturally born/injected with many different unrelated powers.

We saw him hover back into the hotel room, so I had assumed he used his Empathic Intuition to mimic it.

However, it could've just been TK.

Not really sure, I assumed he EM'd it at first.

But it almost looked like he was kind of supporting himself (thus TK) when he came back. Could just be the way he carries himself when flying though.

I assumed he EM'd it, but like ChicagoCubz said his arms looked like he was supporting himself, and thus TK is possible. He's done it before.

My question is they really want to pass Sylar off as Nathan and keep it a secret he better know how to fly. I mean Claire is going to wonder if Nathan says No I can't fly...I suppose they could lie and say he lost it..but why would that happen? It would just get too complicated. Also, Nylar is bound to cut himself and see his skin heal..and that will raise more questions. I guess we will just have to wait until the fall. Aghh so far away!

It won't be long until the invisible thread is severed and Sylar pops out again.

I just hope they do it right. After Nathan's death scene, I find myself a little nervous with the writers.

Technically since he has used EM to gain an ability. What better way to emphatically connect with someone then to actually think you are them? This seems to fight the cannon of EM to a tee if he has Nathan's flight

The problem with using empathy to gain the power of flight is that there is no one to to empathize with. just because he thinks hes Nathan isnt an automatic gain of that power. For instance if he truly thought he was Matt, he wouldnt just gain the ability to read minds, get what i mean?

He was able to empathize with James Martin enough to get shapeshifting. Why not Nathan, after using clairsentience to learn about him he wouldn't have had much trouble mimicing Nathan.

agreed

once more i will say this, Sylar emathized with nathan in these last 2 episodes using his gift of object reading to know all his life. he made mention of using the gift to even get all of nathan's memories eventally. he far easily empathized before the fight scenes.

Good point

I probably should have clarified my title, I'm not referring to the fight before Nathan died, I'm referring to after he became Nathan. Wait a second, no one could really answer my question, only theorize how flight will be implemented.

it has been answered, Sylar empathized with nathan for the last 2 episodes, he gained his flight godsend, and now that he believes he is nathan, and nathan knows he can fly he will still access that flight power.

Your absolutely right, I never thought about it that way. So it could be possible that Sylar was actually flying instead of using tk during the fight scene.

But it is still just speculation until they confirm that's the way it happened on screen.

How so? The writers' can't come out and flat out tell you what's happening. They give you 1 and 1. You have to do the proverbial math yourself.

Wrong. He spent that entire episode empathizing with James Martin.



I'm pretty sure he doesn't. With TK, puppetry is redundant/pointless.

I just watched the scene where sylar throws nathan back into the hotel room again and when sylar lands the soud effect for flight is played so he must have it because nathan was getting up off the floor and no one else was there, just thought i'd add my 2 cents

I just took it as the big power screw up from Sylar/Peter, just like how morphing was screwed up in the car for Sylar.

WTF ? He has empathy mimicry ? Please stop that delusion. He cut the back of James Martin since the power is located at the back of the head. Then they plunge a stick on it. That's how it happened...

Stop with the empathy crap... He does not have Empathy mimicry.

are we to assume sylar empathed flight from nathan before killing him?
i assumed sylar floating at the end was tk, it wouldnt of been the first time he did that

i figured it was flying that he was doing at the end. It was very similar to the way nathan floated up in the air when he was telling the secret service angets what they needed to do.

Maybe that he thinks he is Nathan, has Nathans DNA and some of Nathan's memories, he can easily EM it without knowing

So... the writers say Sylar has a mimicking ability based in empathy/intuitive understand. The show says the same thing, through Arthur Petrelli last season. The writers repeat that Sylar has an ability that allows him to empathically mimic abilities. Sylar demonstrates said ability by copying powers without killing (i.e., Nathan).

And we're supposed to believe what, exactly? That your word trumps that of both the writers outside-the-show and the characters in-show? Sorry there, little miss sunshine, not gonna happen.

And, to emphasize my point... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

as others have said, he straight up got flight from empathy

for example we saw him using Luke's microwave power to write on his arm "I am Sylar" but we never saw him take the ability

He was flying through the air when Nathan attacked him

Sylar has gotten pretty good at empathy, so there you have it

I just wanna know what happens when the new Nathan accidentally cuts himself and watches it heal before his very eyes and he's like "wtf"?

So, what you're saying is that if we hear hoofbeats, and we live in Arizona, we should think Zebras not Horses?

Pardon me as I laugh.

1: We know Sylar can absorb abilities without killing- easiest case in point being Elle.
2: We know that Sylar can't take the powers via the brain without taking off the entire skull cap.
3: We know Shape Shifter's skull was in place.
4: The writers confirmed that Sylar took the ability empathically, which is what the vast majority of viewers already knew.

Anyone saying Sylar cannot and did not take Electricity, Shape Shifting and Flight via IA-based empathy is arguing directly against the very clear evidence on the show.

That was telekinesis, actually.

And don't forget about the on-screen empathic moment when he took Elle's lightning.

really? was he cutting, or burning?

Cutting. There was blood.

I thought he used TK to write "I AM SYLAR".

As for last night, it's arguable whether he used TK or asborbed flight empathically. I'm going to go with absorbed flight empathically, though.

Here's what I think happened. Sylar did NOT have flight before his fight with Peter and Nathan. He gained it DURING the fight.

Okay, so, this is just speculation, but:

Nathan and Peter barge in on Sylar, who's ready to take them out. Sylar goes after Peter first, since he is the more dangerous of the two. But Nathan rushes Sylar, knocking him out the window. Sylar is unable to finish off Peter. But, Nathan had no idea that Sylar could gain powers by any other way than Sylaring. So, instead of Sylar falling to the ground, and Nathan safely hoovering above, Sylar takes Nathan's power and restrains Nathan in the air. Once Peter and Claire leave, Sylar throws Nathan into the room, and hoovers back in himself, to taunt Nathan.

That's how I think it went. I could be wrong.

No, actually it's not arguable at all.

1: The sound effect played was clearly, even obviously, the one used for flight.
2: He floated in the exact same manner Nathan and West did.

That's funny, as West's flight was depicted significantly different from that of Nathan.

Flight was, floating wasn't. (Nathan displayed it in the same episode that Sylar did.)

I don;t get why Sylar can mimic either. I have never understood it, but oh well.

It was explained quite clearly- he can empathically understand and replicate abilities. It's a spin of his IA.

Arthur told us and Sylar has repeatedly displayed it.

So then does Peter have IA?

That remains to be seen. He either has all of Sylar's abilities or just Shape Shifting. There wasn't a clear answer to that question.

No, I mean...

Peter can take peoples abilities using his empathy.

Sylar can do that as well.

Does that mean peter can also understand how things work, because that is part of Sylar's empathy thing?

Even though I agree with you how his "empathy" is supposedly working, I think it has by no means been "explained quite clearly".

Sylar's empathy, as indicated in the show, is derivative of his IA- instead of understanding the mechanics, he understands the emotions.

Peter has to touch someone and deliberately absorb the ability.

Peter could have all Sylar's powers, but not necessarily.