Does he know that his brother is really Sylar? I seriously doubt he would of been happy about it yet he showed no reaction to it whatsoever...

The only ones who know are the 3 in the room, if I understood correctly.

If i had to guess, Peter has no clue Nathan actually died. Afterall, there has to be some family drama next season...

Doubtful, peter wouldn't have went along with the idea. Same with claire. Seems like the show is just using it as a placeholder so they can bring back sylar whenever they want. Especially since it 's only been 6 wks and signs of sylar are popping up.

Nope, once again his psychotic mother lied to him.

i bet he isn't going to be too happy when "nathan" starts fixing all the clocks around the house and using powers other than flying

I have to agree that the only ones that know are the three that were there. This also could lead to the '5 years gone' episode in which Peter states that Nathan can't walk through walls, but who are you.. because he believes Sylar to be dead. Of course Sylar's reply states that Nathan turned on his own people, which he did prior to his death and only a few knew that Nathan was going to fix things. While I wasn't happen with the death, and perhaps never be too happy with it, this from a story point of view from season 1 till now which has connected them better than where things were going in season 2.
It continues to keep me entertained and discuss it with others, so they must be doing something right even if I don't always agree.

I like to think of it as more "desperate and extremely grief-stricken mother". She obviously isn't thinking straight. This is the son she had her husband "killed" for. AND...she dreamt of Matt "saving" Nathan. If her dreams are never wrong...well, that seemed the thing to do. Was it right? Hell no! But who are we to say what we would do if we found someone we loved so much like that. I KNOW I would NOT be thinking clearly.

I don't think Peter knows, but I would have some serious questions. I mean if I had sedated Sylar and then leaned back in a limo smirking in victory I wouldn't let my mother/noah/matt and take him away and then close the door in my face. Call my crazy but I would want to be the room to watch everything go down. Same with Claire she was all about "I'm going to kill you Sylar" and then she just sits out on the secret meeting?

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Which means three possible ways for the plan to unravel, not counting Sylar's personality coming back on its own:

1. Matt goes off the deep end and "deprograms" Nathan-Sylar.
2. Angela lets slip something that causes Sylar to remember who he really is.
3. HRG goes out and finds another special who can undo the brainwashing because he reasons that only the original Sylar has the ability to save the world from whatever it's facing next time out.

And of course you can add to that anybody else who finds out what happened, which is why I would not want Claire or Peter to know what really went down. Not that they'd mean to, but you don't want to leave any more loose ends than necessary.

I just think that if Peter doesn't know that Nathan is actually Sylar, then it is a major plot hole. After all, he is the one who knocked Sylar out, and it's presumable that he is the one that brought Sylar back to the room, where Nathan's dead body was laying there with a bloody sheet over it. You mean to tell me that Peter didn't see the body sitting 6 feet away from Sylar's unconscious body when he brought it back? IMO, They'd have to explain how the body got back to the hotel room, because if Peter brought it back, he would have definitely seen his brother's body.

Perhaps they had Parkman suggest he and Claire wait outside and it ended up on the cutting room floor. He was already doing what he did not want with Sylar, so making Peter/Claire think it is Nathan is no stretch either.

He was left out of that part, "for his own good", of course.

Bit of a stupid move not letting him in on the secret, I reckon. As it stands, Peter is the only one who will be able to keep Sylar in check should he realise who he really is (and he will). Its only been six weeks and already he's fighting the urge to check all the clocks. Also, what if Peter, thinking Sylar is now dead, tries to take Nathan's flight ability?

Good points.

If Pete would want to take flight from Nathan, that's what he'll take. I don't think he would realize that his supposed brother has some other abilities unless he specifically wanted to take some other power. That is how his absorbing works.

I'm almost convinced that Peter has no idea that Nathan is really Sylar and it's gonna bite them all in the backside.

hahahaha, this made me smirk.

yeah i was on team angela for most of this volume. i started connecting and empathizing with her character and now it's like, okay crazy old mama petrelli is still at it for the greater good/sake of her family. LOL

she's definitely a little batty. poised but batty. she'll learn tho. and i'll enjoy watching that happen

Can anyone think of a good reason why Angela and HRG didn't kill Sylar and ask Peter to take Nathan's form and talk to the President? Why was it so important to do it their way other than to keep Sylar on the show?

Because of the Memories, you can't just insert random memories into people, matt effectively OVERWROTE Sylar's Memories with Nathan's, and what ever he couldn't his psychometry (not clairesesnce like they call it ) would fill in. It was two fold, only some one with Nathan's memories and history with the president could fix it.

evan sylar said he needed nathan's knowldege to pull it off. he was going to keep him alive to leach it, but decided that the objects around him would suffice

the second reason was sorta selfish, Angela wanted to save her son what ever way she could. and thought this was the only way to not only save themselve, but to save nathan as well.

Peter doesn't need the memories. He knows his brother. He would look like him and sound like him. All he needed was a brief meeting with the President to say he was wrong and then Nathan could disappear forever. I think it's twisted of Angela to want to hang out with a Nathan lookalike with Nathan's memories. She could simply ask Peter to change into Nathan and talk to her every now and then.

To reply to the topic title, NO, Peter does not know. HRG specifically said to Angela and Matt that they only had a small amount of time since he sent Peter and Claire away to look for Nathan. There's no telling what Peter would have done had he known what happened, but it most assuredly wouldn't have involved Sylar still being alive!

that's just simply untrue. you are not thinking in practical terms. nathan did a lot of damage with his little project this volume and it is going to take more than just a meeting with the president to make this mess go away.

peter can't live his life as two people. it would be unfair to him and impossible for him to keep up long-term.

Yeah, they'd eventually have to fake Peter-Sylar's death so Peter could go back to living as himself.

Hope that made sense! lol

How did peter know liam dude was Sylar?

maybe matt parkman warned him with his brain powers.

actually, he would still need the memories in order to pull off being nathan for as long as they needed to set everything in order. It would not just take one meeting with the President, but several meetings with the President as well as his staff and any other key figures that only Nathan knew. He could not just pretend to be Nathan, he HAD to BE nathan

God, this episode is infuriating on so many levels, I can barely contain myself. Angela: "Nathan is the only one who can talk to the president and convince him that Building 26 is a bad idea. Not including the man standing next to me with the power to control thoughts and erase memories." HRG: "Yeah, and Sylar is the only one who can absorb Nathan's memories from all his possessions and then pose as him. Not including Angela's other son who can absorb Clairesentience from Sylar, touch those same things, then absorb Shapeshifting from Sylar, become Nathan and do what needs doing." Matt: "Yeah, you guys are both right, Sylar must become Nathan, it's the only way to make the President stop Building 26 from hunting specials and instead form a government company that hunts specials.."
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If he does know and doesnt care he is insane I have a brother and I would wanna know if a psychopath killed him and my mother pretty much replaced him with the psychopath

Matt brainwashing the President would have meant that he'd have to brainwash several other people to not only believe whatever story they told him but also to make a big coverup as to why Nathan is dead since they can't go around pretending he's alive and they don't want anyone to find out that Sylar killed Nathan.

As for Peter, it took Sylar a while to learn enough about Nathan by touching his things to be able to believably pull off Nathan. Sylar was able to internalize who Nathan was through all of that time and had Nathan's actual live body to draw from. Also since Peter would have had to switch to shape shifting we don't know how much of that internalization would have remained when giving up clairistenance (sp?) and going to shape shifting.

I agree that it's a bad idea on Angela and Noah's parts. Turning a serial killer who killed your son into your son, whilst hoping that said serial killer, who has shown more mental resilience and fortitude than anyone else on the show, won't revert back into Sylar is wishful thinking. They should have just dealt with Nathan's death and there's still a chance they would have been able to create a new, government backed company by showing the President how miserably Danko and Nathan's original plans failed.

That's assuming he's only absorbing one ability from Sylar. I'm not commiting to that, I believe its otherwise. I have been wrong before though.

My guess is he has no idea. No way would Peter let them do that.

I swear if this is handled the way the writers handle the deaths and disapperences of Peter's girlfriends I'm going to be so ******. No way would Peter just forget about this or sweep it under the rug like no big deal. Anything short of a ballistic I would consider underreacting. Not after the three seasons of Petrelli brother bonding.

I agree. Its not like anybody talking to Peter as Nathan would notice he's a little off and assume he's a shapeshifter, that's not the sort of conclusion normal people make. He doesn't need any of Nathan's memories anyway, the only purpose he needs to serve is to prove that he wasn't killed by Sylar. Which would be done when he's stood there in front of people.

Well that is fair to say, but I thought they only needed to prove a special hadn't murdered a U.S. senator, rather than try and back-track all of Nathan's mistakes.

If that was her actual line, then I guess I stand corrected.

Magnifico: I agree that Matt could have convinced the President of anything. But I totally disagree with you - and agree with TessaBlues - that Peter could have impersonated Nathan. There is no way he would ever have gone along with that, which is why I'm certain Peter has no clue Nathan is in fact Sylar. In the burning scene, I thought he did because of his expression, but in retrospect, no.

But if he finds out, I expect him to go ballistic, yes. At Sylar, AND at his mother.

A lot of us are feeling cheated of a proper death scene for Nathan, because we haven't seen Peter's reaction to it yet. But there's no bloody way they'll sweep that under the rug.

whoever is saying that peter could do what sylar is currently being made to do and saying that angela made a bad decision...

i just don't understand you. it would be cruel and unusual punishment to force peter to pretend to be his own dead brother for god knows how long just to clean up the building 26 mess. angela knows this. it's also why no one is including peter at all. not only would it be cruel to involve him, but he would never go along with it!

angela, matt, and noah being the ones behind this is the only way because they are, at the moment, the only ones who are "grey" enough to do this without second-guessing themselves.

if you think that angela is using sylar to get her son back, then you aren't watching that scene correctly. it's very clear that she doesn't want to be doing this anymore than noah or matt want to.

but she has already proven long ago that she will go to whatever lengths necessary to make sure 1961 doesn't happen all over again.

you think she enjoys seeing the man who killed her own son impersonating him? wow.

I actually would love if they made Peter find out about everything even before Nathan/ Sylar himself does - he would be furious but would have to hold back.
I actually hope they will not just have Sylar's conscience reemerge in Nathan but instead make Nathan struggle when discovering powers he should not have, slowly realizing what has happened but still feeling to be Nathan.

Well, Angela herself DID say she would do anything to even save one part of Nathan, and if that meant his memories, then she was willing to have just that piece of him still alive. true it was not her only reason, nore her main reason, but it was A reason.

the main reason however was that only Nathan can reverse what he did with building 26

I'm totally with you on this! I don't think this was badly thought through, like so many others do - in fact I think it's a very cunning idea. I was totally stunned, when realizing what they were doing. I tleft me speechless but very soon I noticed that I really like the whole idea and appreciate the possibilities for which it paves the way.


Here I have to disagree. To me it was rather clear how desperate she was about the loss of Nathan and how she was willing to do whatever she could to get him back. This is also what she tells Matt and I believe her. I think to get back Nathan were her true reasons for all of this.

yeah the way his mind was manipulated, and the level of manipulation that kind of thing takes, i think that it should actually be a struggle. Sythan will think that a)Sylar somehow infected him before he was killed and wills truggle with that. Or Sylar will slowly reemerge, only to figure out that Nathan's personality is so interewoven in him, that it has in fact infected him with Nathan's "goodness"

Think of it as the symbiosis that was there with Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort. A part of harry infected voldemort and vice versa.

Although I didn't much like the finale and disliked this plot twist (why couldn't they just leave Nathan alone for once? Can there ever be a season finale that doesn't involve his "death?" Note that there is still a very good chance we'll see yet another "Nathan death" in the Season IV finale as a conclusion to this "Nathan/Sylar/same-body" arc), I am also imagining some potentially-quite-interesting turns of events which could emerge from it nevertheless. Perhaps Peter will discover the ugly truth before "Nathan" does and come to kill him, but find himself unable to go through with it when "Nathan" doesn't understand what is going on and projects all outward signs of being his brother. "Nathan" may also realize or be told the truth before Sylar can regain control, perhaps leading to, say, a suicide attempt on his part in order to prevent Sylar's reemergence. I expect this will ultimately wind down to the two consciousnesses wrestling for control of the body, with "Nathan" likely ultimately having a final moment of heroic triumph which facilitates Sylar's final downfall.

Well yeah, Peter could have done it, but then Angela would have just traded one son for another. She can often be a heartless jerk, but I don't think she'd be willing to lose Peter if she could just as easily have Sylar do it instead.

So sad...still didn't know while defeating Sylar with that syringe!! I can't wait to see some angst and mourning from Peter! BROTHERLY...

Yeah, Angela specifically had Claire and Peter go looking for Nathan, so as to buy time to make Sylar into Nathan, and keep it covered up. Peter would never have approved of this, and I wouldn't see Peter impersonating Nathan after being distraught by his death. It's really a shame Peter doesn't know the truth about Nathan's death, but is led to believe this lie is his brother. He doesn't know his brother is gone and isn't mourning it. I can only imagine what it will like for Peter to find out the truth after Nathan's really already been dead for so long.