Um, excuse me, but why is everyone trying to turn Sylar into Nathan when a simple syringe of Claire's blood would have brought Nathan back to life? Are we forgetting that HRG was brought back by Mohinder the next freakin' day, from a bullet through the eye, not to mention? What was the urgency that no one even thought of that? HRG?

Nathan was dead, not dying.

Also, the writers don't want to bring that back anymore anyway.

The writers are very deliberately trying to stay away from the plot devices that they used in Volume 2 which backfired on them greatly. There was a great outcry from the viewers when they kept using it to revive people over and over, and people thought that the concept of the healing blood alone was enough to run the show into the ground. So it's not quite a retcon, but don't ever expect to see the healing blood again.

Noah dead, Claire's blood, Noah not dead. Anyway S2 is not cannon apparently >_>

It got rid of Sylar. Angela and HRG thought that was good until they could come up with a plan to truly defeat him. I'm sure they knew Claire's blood was a possiblity (it only saved Noah three months previously).



Excuse me?..

Noah was dead also, but I do agree with your second point.

Rising dead and time travel will probably never come back.

HRG was dead too.
The writers want to just forget about that plot hole.
I'm hoping they get some sense and maybe they'll figure out this "Nathan is actually Sylar" thing sucks and use Claire's blood to bring Nathan back.

i said this right away too. the boy who was watching it with me just said "ohhhh yeah" it would have been a good idea to bring him back since they already made ONE guy so OVERLY powerful why not make the team who is fighting him just as powerful together??

I do believe Noah had a bullet through the brain when he was brought back, it's not that.

I just wish it could still be a part of the series. Claire would have to be protected, etc.

that's what i thought whem mama petrelli arrived was going to happen. maybe the writers thought"oh we used that too often" yet they are gonna serve us the resurrected sylar again and again.

Noah was dead in season 2 and they brought him back with claire's blood. Why won't this show get better? Every time they have a chance to write something good into the plot, they go a completely different, and dumb, direction.

That's actually one of the very few things that didn't upset me about this cluster**** of an episode. They FINALLY had the balls to kill Nathan and keep him dead... well, sort of.

While using magic blood would've solved that, it would've reopened the can of worms they struggled so hard to close after opening it in season two, so I'm glad they didn't. Nathan was an awesome character, and Adrian Pasdar is a great actor, but someone had to die and the Karmic guillotine of the universe decided it would be him.

I just hope the whole "Sylar-thinking-he's-Nathan" thing doesn't last too long next season.

really how can it last long, he touches his mom's shirt and sees the history, grabs HRG's glasses and sees the event, or heck, His IA activates as it did in the finale and begins to hunger him to know why he has it in the first place.. this idea was not very planned and it seems desperate for failure.

6 weeks later? No. Too late, the body's been dead too long.

While there is the possibility that the writers/creator would like to "maybe" ignore season 2's blood revival, that doesn't necessarily rule out the return of the real Nathan. Perhaps part of Mama Petrelli's unrevealed vision, as Micah comments, is that Sylar is meant to a be a hero. Even Darth Vader killed a lot to finally be redeemed in the end. This vision that mama had, could be a way of putting Sylar on the path to "redemption" even if he remembers his past at some future point; gotta love internal struggle of good vs evil. And at that time, the real Nathan could be brought forth where he has been laying low to let Sylar play the role.
This may have holes, but it does allow a chance for season 4, which could be the last, a way to end on a good note with Sylar taking the final fall to save all in some way, and allow the real Nathan to come back after a pretty lame death.
Of course, this is what I hope happens to give me a sense of comfort.

So are you saying that next season will be a d*mned Sylar Centric Story again ???

wow, it's only been three months?
time flies when you have superpowers!

As my understanding goes as to how Matt's mental scrubbing is supposed to work is that "Nathan" will never remember anything about Sylar. Sylar was wiped clean from "Nathan's" memories, mind, everything. When he touches something that would have a memory of Sylar, the Sylar part won't be remembered.

the sylarishness will not be remembered, but when "nathan" realizes he has a million powers he never had before he's going to be concerned.

I think it's safe to say that the show should be called "Sylar: and his Amazing Friends." However, I wish they would have killed him at the end of season 1, only to "maybe" see him return for season 3 or 4, but as we saw with Nikki, Hiro, etc. sometimes characters get too liked that they keep them even when the plot for them is weak. So yes, I believe as much as I would like to see a new direction, we will have to deal with a Sylar centric story till the last episode.
However, as I posted in the "does Peter know about his brother" thread, the killing of Nathan might not be a bad thing, much to my dismay, from a story point of view to bring the season 1 to 4 together as they have done this season connecting season 3 to 1... while we all quietly ignore 2.

I'd rather them stick with what they already established than ignoring a season all together because some people didn't like it. I'd rather that they had the balls to stand by what they wrote and obviously thought was a good idea at the time than say "you're right, it sucked" and pretend it never happened, it doesn't make me respect them that much, I didn't mind season two. ANYWAY, I've obviously had that on my chest for awhile, and it being said I have to add that I really enjoyed this volume, even if I'd rather Real!Nathan wasn't dead

So was HRG. He was shot through the face!

It's Angela and her stupid dreams, if everyone had just been rationale they would have been like "wait, don't send Claire and Peter away so we can fool them, call them up here so fooling them won't be an issue!"

Complelty agree with rainbowmist, there are things that are good and things that bad from each episode and each season. Sometimes we all have to agree to disagree, and the perception of the perceiver varies to what we like. While season 2 had a low, it would be nice to see somethings from there mentioned in season 4 for explanation. Such as a different healer, like Linderman, step forward and say did you really think it was the blood that saved you? Or bring closer to Maya since we never got to see where that story was going. All of which could be done in an episode or two with minimal detail.
Personally, with all the reality shows on TV, I am completely satisified with the show and while I don't have the answers to what should happen or what I want to happen is why I continue to watch each episode each Monday night when it's on.

For those who think it could not work when someone is already dead:

When Sylar died during the eclipse he came back to life. Actually, I think both wounds were cuts to the throat.

I remember the writers saying in S2 that magic blood only works on someone once. Nathan has already had it used on him, so that option is out.

Acknowledging Season 2 is equivalent to acknowledging Maya, and no one wants that.

Really?

Then it's simply a case of Dragon Ball syndrome?

That still leaves a lot of questions:

1 - How would they know that without trying?
2 - Are we supposed to believe that a person without Regeneration grow immune to the blood, while one with it is immortal?

Eh. Still lame, but at least it makes sense.



I do. She's HOT!

Oh, okay. I forgot that part. Still, it would have been nice to be told that during the episode, since it's never been explained on-screen (including in V3 C1 - FPeter just tells Claire to "stay where she is", not that her blood won't work) and many viewers could be turned off by HRG and Angela's apparent negligence. (Speaking of V3 C1, we never did find out who FPeter met to get Linderman's power during those four years. I hope there's another healer out there somewhere.)

The hunger? Not that nonsense again. I'm fine with it as a deep seeded part of Sylar's psyche, but not part of his power. As far as it 'destined for failure' that's nonsense. With good writing*, it will actually be pretty damn interesting seeing 'Nathan' dealing with this. Hell 'Nathan' could suffer from blackouts, lost time, and we could see some form of 'Sylar' emerge... maybe like a Jekyll and Hyde thing.



* Yes I know the writing on this show is pretty bad, but one can hope.

maybe they will use a plot point like "when Sylar cut into Claires head to take her power, he broke something. She feels no pain but her blood cant do heals for others anymore." I kinda hope it doesnt boil down to that lol

*Whispers*

You're not allowed to mention the magical blood!

* / Whispers*

WHICH does bring us right back to another question. Will we now NEVER KNOW what brought Nathan back to life mysteriously the last time? Lol.

Yeah so stupid they didn't just do that. Both Sylar and Claire died during the eclipse and recovered fine. Noah died and recovered fine, apart from that it was a good series, also I'm thinking we didn't see Nathan's body for a reason?

While I can see the potential problems that it would have caused, I personally completely fail to see the reason for this "outcry". They used the blood a grand total of two times. Once when Adam saved Nathan and the other when HRG was brought back to life. I really don't get those viewers who whine and complain about people never dying on this show. It's like they're completely seeing something different for forty two minutes.

Actually, I think the solution lies in Angela's character. She's so stuck on her dreams. Remember? She said that she saw that MATT PARKMAN would save Nathan. Not Claire. Matt Parkman. She tried to figure out a way to "push along" the effect of her dreams. All she saw was that Matt was involved. She must have decided that this was the only conceivable way that Matt would be helping to save Nathan.

Perhaps a bad idea on her part. Perhaps they should have used Claire's blood. But I honestly think that Angela is too stuck on her dreams. And I think that that will be their explanation. Note that she even pushed Claire out of her plans at the beginning of the episode because she said it had to be ANGELA who got Matt and not Claire. Angela's dreams are dangerous and can be misinterpreted, and this just might have been one of those times.

Taken as a sole entity, then no, it was only used twice, but you have to look at the entire picture and reflect on the numerous times when people on the show haven't died, or have appeared to have died and have come back, or have even died AND THEN come back. Such, I believe, was the reason for the 'outcry' that they created such an instant 'out' with the magical blood.

I would have had Sylar 'vibrate' Nathan into dust or turn him into gold so Claire's blood wouldn't have worked.

I've seen in other threads that some are saying that the blood "only works once" and Nathan's already had his one time. I don't remember either the writers saying that or that being in a GN. Anyone know if that's true?

What really would of been cool would have been them trying to use Claire's blood only for it not to work and Peter mentioning he used Adam's blood already on him.

Upon realising this wasn't going to work Angela getting Matt to convince Peter and Claire that Nathan is still alive.

But that's simply a genre trope. In the comic books, characters hardly ever truly die. They almost always turn up again, and we learn that they're a clone, or from a different time stream, or their apparent death was an illusion, or no one found their body and they got away.

This is a standard plot device in the comics. Viewers who can't stand that perhaps shouldn't be watching a superhero show?

Sorry, that doesn't make much sense. If Matt was going to dig around in Sylar's head then there were all sorts of ways to "get rid of him." Matt could have made Sylar think he was just about anyone - even a perfectly random made-up person who conveniently forgot that he had any abilities at all. That would have been a hell of a lot better than putting a potential ticking time bomb into the office of a United States Senator.

As for filling Nathan's shoes, Peter could have done that, at least until they could arrange a convincing "death" for Nathan that wouldn't be blamed on paranormals.

There was really no good excuse for "forgetting" Claire's blood. Sure, I realize that the writers might not have wanted to use the "magic blood" plotline again, though I didn't find it all that shocking myself. But if they didn't want to use it then they should have written in a decent reason to avoid using it. Perhaps Sylar took Nathan's head completely off, for example, and then blasted it to ash specifically to prevent Claire from reviving him. Perhaps Sylar used the power he acquired just the previous episode and completely disintegrated Nathan (which would also have answered "How did they get rid of his body?"). Something - there were any number of ways they could have written it in, rather than leaving the fans saying, "But why didn't they just..."

There were any number of potential scenarios in which the "magic blood" would not have worked but it made perfect sense within the context of the scenes we saw for it to be used. There was absolutely no reason not to use the blood. In fact, if I was Mohinder, or HRG, or anyone with a deep freezer, I would have kept a vial of the blood around at all times. It restored Sylar (with appropriate modification by Mohinder) from the Shanti Virus, brought back HRG and Maya, healed Nathan the first time, healed one of Adam's wifes in the GNs, etc. Why didn't the Company not have a freezer packed full of Adam's blood and then later Claire's? There could be any number of logical explanations (blood efficacy only lasts a couple of days, etc.), but none of these reasons ever made it into screentime or a GN.

Since the Company kept Adam in a cell for forty years, didn't anyone tap into that magic blood? I see the Company keeping Adam attached to IVs 24/7 and drawing off his magical blood to be sold all around the world to the highest bidders. Truly puzzling that the blood was such a key element of the plots in Season 2 and now completely discarded without even a mention as to why it wouldn't work.

The ol' magical Claire elixer might even have helped Hiro with his current health problems, not to mention Daphne...

100% right!
Nathan was ressurected once through Adams blood which is equal to claires so a second try wouldn't had done anything cause its only a one way thing. :/

Which is probably why Hiro can't use his powers anymore. =/
That's...that's so evil. So very evil.

or just they had to get rid of a cast member and it was ZQ?

Out of universe explanation: Magic blood isn't well-received.

In-universe explanation: Then they're have Nathan alive and Sylar around.

Yeah I'm thinking there is something to this and a specific reason they didn't show his body being taken care of. Unfortunately I can't at this point think of a single scenario in which I like the outcome of this..



I'm personnally ok with Peter not being involved in this one. Say he did know, he wouldn't be ok pretending to be his bro even for a little while. Angela & HRG were right to keep Claire and Peter out of this totally..

Okay, people keep talking about the blood not working a second time, but where did this come from? Someone please explain!

And here-in lies the problem my friend. Heroes isn't a superhero show! Heroes is a show about ordinary individuals with extraordinary abilities. It is about the drama and reprecussions of dealing with those abilities in a normal setting. Time and time again it has been stressed that this isn't a superhero show, this isn't X-Men with powers flying off. It is the above.

And in a show, that is supposed to be grounded in reality, magic blood, unexplained deaths, and even worse, unexplained (and multiple!) resurrections are, quite simply, not on.

This, my friend, is just one of the reasons why Heroes is losing it's way.

We know people think about how cloning could eventually replace somebody they have lost. We'll see how much love it takes to make a fool of herself, poor Angela!

Suckers. Of course the real Nathan will be back. How long do you think Sylar will hold out? Two/Three episodes?

Has Quinto been fired from the show?



Once Petey and Claire find out they will revive him, even if he is a bag of bones at that point.

Oh snap, I just now figured it out. We will have a Claire/Ando combo to pull it off!!!