This whole "SYLAR, the NEW NATHAN" was stupid, good plot turn but, stupid none the less. He does have Claire's ability those powers will slowly remerge again than Sylar is back.

You can only guess that Matt brought Nathan out of Sylar and turned off all other powers.

Sylar will be back people, mid-way though Season 4. It so obvious.

No kidding.
He'll probably try to rip Peter's head off at least once.

Nooooo........

I just thought they added in the whole scene with Nylar at the end to confirm that Sylar's gone and dead.

Do we remember Charlie? Yes... i do.


Talk about being obvious.. Sylar is def not dead

Sadly.

Tell me he didn't get a paper cut in six weeks, writers.

i think this is so obvious that it should have been rejected at a writers meeting.

does it confirm nathan or does it confirm a relapse?

The fact that Nathan, who has no knowledge of clocks, (hence he shouldn't have known that it was running a minute and a half ahead) realized that it was running ahead, shows that Sylar's personality is not completely gone from the mind, and assuming that Matt wiped it clean (and there's no reason not to) this leads us to believe that Sylar's personality is coming back, and that his identity crisis is not over. In the end, this means that Nathan is, for all intents and purposes, dead. Both the real, and fake one. :[

I never thought Sylar was completely "gone" since the scene of the funeral. Sythan was talking to Angella and called her Mom. Nathan ALWAYS has called her "Ma", ALWAYS.

just thought I'd throw that in there...

Lol.
Volume 5 Redemption
the plot:
"I'm not Darth Revan anymore, I'm <Insert Name Here> now!"

Heh, thats interesting.

what i see happening is that they will need to keep Matt around, he is the only one who knows and can keep Sylar from resurfacing.

and i dont really think he ERASED Sylar, he OVERWROTE sylar,

he didn't take away his powers so much as removed them from the "Desktop" (in keeping with the computer reference.)

remember Angela said, what ever memories are blank can be filled in with Items he can touch.

I kinda like the idea that Sythan as Nathan will think that Sylar somehow infected him when they fought, used one of his powers to either influence him or something.

I like the idea of Nathan's mind also influencing Sylar there by creating a new character all together. Sylar wanting to, because of nathan's influence, redeem himself, and Nathan using sylar's powers to redeem himself.

Great catch. I actually had to go back and rewatch those bits again.

Um well according to what was said before they had to get rid of a cast member and it would be permanent but i think they are leaving this open to discussion so it could go either way. But the way they did it i thought they killed sylar off in a bitter sweet kinda of way since it looked as they they erased everything about sylar in sylar.

Actually, that scene confirmed exactly the opposite: Sylar WILL emerge.

How you know how much money they would save by just leaving ZQ out of the show? He could always come back sometime. And if you remember next season is suppose to have a new villain.

The only thing we saw was a rather puzzled Nathan who was distracted by a watch running fast.

Sylar has the ability to know the history of everything he touches, as Angela points out.

Doesn't that mean that if Sylar/Nathan touches Angela he knows what she did?

Yes and No..

... you see, to Sylar, he is Nathan, and unless he can find the way to make his brain heal from Matt's ability, those memories, including the knowledge of his other powers, are very suppressed and cannot surface. As Matt made Sylar to believe (hypnosis and brainwashing can be extremely powerful), Sylar is no more... and so that's what the new "Sathan" believes.

We saw a glimpse of the next chapter that only 6 weeks later he's figured out his original power of how things work, so there is still the possibility of him healing, but I think the writers are going to have fun with this to keep it supressed for a while.

You mean like Pete healed from what The Haitian did to him? Sylar has RCR.

Ooooo...AWESOME catch..



Its my opinion that he would have to know the ability is there in order to use it. Right? Because Sylar wasn't seeing the past of EVERY object he touched. He had to turn it on, like most abilities. I believe that someone, most likely Matt, will crack and end up either dropping Sylar hints, pointing him in the right direction, or reversing the voodoo entirely. I mean come on...did you SEE the morality battle playing out on Parkman's face in the last five minutes? Woo doggy.

That's the real question. We know the Haitian bruises the brain (as seen with Sandra) and thus it can heal (as seen with Peter) We don't know exactly how Matt affected the brain and thus we don't know how/if it's something you can heal from ...

Arthur used Telepathy to 'erase' Angela's memories and Linderman healed her mind.

Am I the only one that rememebers Season 1? I KNEW Nathan was going to die. Remember the big Peter/Sylar fight in the future? Nathan was president, but then Peter had to go "stop" him, and he turned into Sylar so they could fight? Wasn't that "five years gone"? And hasn't Hiro showed us again and again that you can't really change the future? I think we might see Meredith again (but we don't have to), and I can bet that Sylar is going to (possibly) kill Tracy.

But then again, if like in "I am become death" Nathan married Tracy, then Sylar wouldn't have to kill her to get her power (Sorry Tracy, but we haven't had any other ice people on the show to explain Sylars ice powers in the future).

Nathan jut seemed like a dead man to me.

Also telling that Sylars mother told him that he was already special, and that someday he could even be President of the United States! Add to that the whole Angella telling Sylar that him and Peter are brothers, something that Sylar also told him seemed rather like forshadowing... Maybe Angella had dreams, and it wasn't all as self serving as it seemed at the time.

But what do I know?

I just wish there could have been some more drama with Nathans death. It didn't seem very "Sylar" to me - too quick, not very methodical, just a slash and a bleed out. Not even any taunting from Sylar as he died.

But I think that Sylars memories will return somehow, but he's going to have to find a way to get them back and still maintain his identity as Nathan somehow, but I think that we might see some of that next season.

Agreed some things will happen no matter once, like Hiro says in a GN that time is a like a collection of strings (lives) all intertwined and with so many variables to take into consideration it is very difficult to stop certain outcomes. Without an ability like Sylar's you can't make sense of it and that is why f_Peter needed Peter to use Sylar's ability to understand how to change the future. I hope they expand more on this and I think if they had done earlier on then they would not have needed to take Hiro's abilities from him.



I feel that will be a theme in the next season, they will keep using Matt to keep him in check. However Matt doesn't agree with all this and sooner or later he is going to have to make a decision as to whether he will continue to be used by the new company.

So Sylar will return but he might then realise he is exactly where he wants to be, by pretending to be Nathan he can mess up the lives of all those Nathan held close to him and those also happen to be Sylar's enemies.

What could actually happen is that Nathan's memories and Sylar thinking he's Nathan will win out over Sylar wanting to resurface. Part of last year Nathan was carrying on a conversation with an imaginary Linderman. Nathan didn't know it was Maurie, he thought he was talking to a ghost or that he was crazy. He also had a reflection of his burned self haunt him too. He has those memories. So he will have dialogs with himself and doubt his sanity or wonder what is going on.

Technically, Nathan stood up to Sylar in the hotel room with no defense other than flight. In the end he will defeat him after being killed by him by keeping him from taking back over the body and turning back into Sylar. I don't think they will keep bringing Matt around. Once the President has been pursuaded then they can just cut his head off and burn him if he resurfaces as Sylar.