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wherediddeango
It seems like the explanation mohinder gave hiro about the use of abilities is suspect since it only affects him. Other than when sylar has personality issues i can't think of any characters with any side effects that ended the use of their ability. Which is weird considering the future hiro from S1 seemed to be fine with his ability.
Caboose
Could have something to do with his natural ability being ripped out of him by Arthur, then only having half of it being jump-started by Baby Matt Parkman...
lerlerson
I figured it was because his ability wasn't really there. It was whatever remained of his ability after Arthur stole it from him that Baby Matt activated.

Think of Baby Matt's power as a battery dispenser. He gave Hiro a battery to use his power with, but now it's running low, and he's trying to use what little is left to activate his powers, but it's causing negative strain on his body to suck those last little electrons out.

Actually, that analogy sucked, but you probably get the point.
Danxcore
i think he was saying that Hiro cant be running around using his powers so much without sleep.

Hiro made the batman analogy which made me assume it was cuz he hasnt been sleeping

but this is ALSO i believe the most we've seen him use is power in a row through all the seasons.

also i agree with the theory that its because this isnt his original power but the baby power up version.
wherediddeango
True. I wonder if the side effects could be coming from having the light that his mom gave him sucked out by arthur. I guess it could be that or his power being sucked or both. Hopefully somehow he'll get his powers back. Powerless hiro is just boring
Synch
The side effect is there because this wasn't Hiro's natural ability- it was a poorly done jump start by a toddler.
ActingUpAgain
While I tend to believe it's an issue with baby Matt restarting his powers, we have seen medical ill-effects that may or may not have been due to power-use.

Matt has gotten nosebleeds from pushing too hard (like when he tried to scan through the Haitian's interference).

One could make a case for Charlie's anurism being linked to her power.

And just last episode, Sylar developing a form of MPD - maybe a side-effect of shapeshifting?

Again, just playing Devil's Advocate here.
0211
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 27 2009, 11:45 PM) *
The side effect is there because this wasn't Hiro's natural ability- it was a poorly done jump start by a toddler.


This.

Hiro is trying to use a lesser version of his power in the same way he used it at full potency.
It's like trying to make a 2WD vehicle perform in conditions meant for 4WD.
Liv
His poor widdle brain cannot take the stress of stopping time continuously for hours the way I'm sure he did, like when he pushed Ando in a wheelbarrow for miles or when he physically moved all the staff of the building from their posts to the holding room.
juba
I thought I heard those critics saying: no more time jumping, but it was Mo! So Ando is no more supercharging? Remember Daphne going back and forth andoface3.gif
Reboot
The biggest problem that I have with this is that HIRO HAS BEEN DE-POWERED ALREADY x INFINITY! The writers HAD HIM limit his time-travel use after Charlie. The writers HAD HIM limit his time-travel use after the results of Adam and his father dying and seeing his father in the past, etc... The writers HAD HIM completely de-powered after Arthur stole his abilities. And now, when he gets just one power back ... YET ANOTHER road block.

Ugh!

*Screams*


bruno6969
QUOTE (Reboot @ Apr 28 2009, 02:46 AM) *
The biggest problem that I have with this is that HIRO HAS BEEN DE-POWERED ALREADY x INFINITY! The writers HAD HIM limit his time-travel use after Charlie. The writers HAD HIM limit his time-travel use after the results of Adam and his father dying and seeing his father in the past, etc... The writers HAD HIM completely de-powered after Arthur stole his abilities. And now, when he gets just one power back ... YET ANOTHER road block.

Ugh!

*Screams*


2nd
Saviour
QUOTE (wherediddeango @ Apr 28 2009, 06:07 AM) *
It seems like the explanation mohinder gave hiro about the use of abilities is suspect since it only affects him. Other than when sylar has personality issues i can't think of any characters with any side effects that ended the use of their ability. Which is weird considering the future hiro from S1 seemed to be fine with his ability.


I don't know about ending the use of abilities, but side effects are definitely things which have come up in the past. Jessica was a side effect of Niki's ability, Bob explicitly mentioned this. And it's also been stated on Behind The Eclipse that Isaac's drug use and Peter's tendency to overload are both side effects of using their abilities.
theronkinator
I took it as the power takes alot of strain and Hiro hadn't rested enough.
Raekon
Yeah yeah yeah.. let's activate hiros original power in half, let him use it a few times and then when he could stop sylar from killing anyone or make sure the others or even himself can get rid of him *Shazam!* BOOM!
Hiro gets a headache! omg omg omg.. someone send him a aspirin!

Rinse and repeat of season 1s ending: DL would had been the only one able to stop and kill sylar in no time and what happens? EXACTLY! He get's shot so the possibility falls flat!

Hiro who also had the potential to do so comes in there and instead of stopping time first and killing him properly, Boom! He jumps in and say! "Sylar! I'm gonna YATTA you!".

The he gets thrown through time to find kensei and yadda yadda yadda..

Now this time Hiro would had another chance to go in there and kill him for sure but what happens?
Exactly... Migraine! I used my power OMG, now my head hurts OMG.

Sorry but at the moment I can only make fun of the show after last nights finale. -.-
Thasc
In fairness, the writers unwittingly gave Hiro a ridiculously flexible and powerful ability.

Sylar giving you issues? Stop time. Borrow a spacesuit from NASA. Get to Sylar's general vicinity. Teleport with him to the moon. Teleport yourself back. Give back spacesuit. Restart time.

It's that sort of application that makes me not so concerned about them throwing roadblocks in his way...
prue
when we first met baby touch-and-go, they closed in on one of his robots that he turned on and showed smoke coming from the neck of the robot as it was moving. i think the same is happening to hiro
MagnificoG
QUOTE (lerlerson @ Apr 28 2009, 12:11 AM) *
I figured it was because his ability wasn't really there. It was whatever remained of his ability after Arthur stole it from him that Baby Matt activated.

Think of Baby Matt's power as a battery dispenser. He gave Hiro a battery to use his power with, but now it's running low, and he's trying to use what little is left to activate his powers, but it's causing negative strain on his body to suck those last little electrons out.



QUOTE (Danxcore @ Apr 28 2009, 12:14 AM) *
i think he was saying that Hiro cant be running around using his powers so much without sleep.

Hiro made the batman analogy which made me assume it was cuz he hasnt been sleeping

but this is ALSO i believe the most we've seen him use is power in a row through all the seasons.

I think you're both right. I assume if he rests enough, and doesn't stop time for hours on end, or doesn't bring someone along with him when he freezes, he should be able to use it without negative effects.
Shadowpsykie
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Apr 28 2009, 12:01 PM) *
I think you're both right. I assume if he rests enough, and doesn't stop time for hours on end, or doesn't bring someone along with him when he freezes, he should be able to use it without negative effects.

I agree, The people born with thier powers had natural adaptations to it, (can generate fire and not be burned by fire, which is why i don't believe merideth is dead) think of Angel from the x-men, he didn't just have wings, he had hollow bones, his eyes were adapted to being able to see while flying at high speeds, and his muscles were like 10 times as strong as a normal human's he couldn't just have wings other wise his body would not be able to handle it.

the same goes for the Heroes, yeah they has side effects, but thier bodies are adapted to thier abilities, Niki used strength withought injuring herself, which means her skin was probably more durable than a normal person's and her bones were tougher.

The FORMULA rewrote the person's DNA, again, to adapt themselves to thier abilities, not just give a normal person powers.

Now in Hiro, baby touch and go turned on what ever latent power or ability he had left. however, his body was no longer adapted to actually using his ability in the same way, which is why his power came back partially and greatly changed.

Hiro Freezes everything, and hadn't slept in a long time. so a) using his powers in ways he had never used them before and depriving his body of what, in most cases allows US to recharge OUR batteries, to also recharge his.

Batman trained for YEARS to be able to do what he does. smile.gif
Xodus
QUOTE (Shadowpsykie @ Apr 28 2009, 03:21 PM) *
I agree, The people born with thier powers had natural adaptations to it, (can generate fire and not be burned by fire, which is why i don't believe merideth is dead) think of Angel from the x-men, he didn't just have wings, he had hollow bones, his eyes were adapted to being able to see while flying at high speeds, and his muscles were like 10 times as strong as a normal human's he couldn't just have wings other wise his body would not be able to handle it.

the same goes for the Heroes, yeah they has side effects, but thier bodies are adapted to thier abilities, Niki used strength withought injuring herself, which means her skin was probably more durable than a normal person's and her bones were tougher.

The FORMULA rewrote the person's DNA, again, to adapt themselves to thier abilities, not just give a normal person powers.

Now in Hiro, baby touch and go turned on what ever latent power or ability he had left. however, his body was no longer adapted to actually using his ability in the same way, which is why his power came back partially and greatly changed.

Hiro Freezes everything, and hadn't slept in a long time. so a) using his powers in ways he had never used them before and depriving his body of what, in most cases allows US to recharge OUR batteries, to also recharge his.

Batman trained for YEARS to be able to do what he does. smile.gif


My thoughts exactly. Great minds think alike! lol
Synch
Who cares about a roadblock? Seriously? You're going to wine because GodHiro stubbed his toe?

He had the single most ridiculously awesome (as in the original meaning of the word) ability on the show. It doesn't matter how good the writing is, without imposed limits, usually physical in nature, it's simply "Where's Hiro? Let him stop it, get the good guys out, and restart it."
themightytruk
I thought Mohinder's explanation in pieces was a bit odd, why he asked the questions he did and how he had the explanation he did so quickly, and his system rejecting his power. It does make sense that having his ability regained with Toddler Touch and Go isn't a perfect translation and is causing some issues with it's use, as he wasn't used to it the same way he was back in the day. I think a lot of it comes from overexertion, too. He's been stopping time for what must be significantly longer periods, and now with another person, plus it sounds like he may not have been getting much rest either. I wonder if this issue will still be bothering Hiro in volume 5, 5 weeks later. Will he fully improve with rest?
paigequinto
QUOTE (ActingUpAgain @ Apr 28 2009, 02:51 AM) *
While I tend to believe it's an issue with baby Matt restarting his powers, we have seen medical ill-effects that may or may not have been due to power-use.

Matt has gotten nosebleeds from pushing too hard (like when he tried to scan through the Haitian's interference).

One could make a case for Charlie's anurism being linked to her power.

And just last episode, Sylar developing a form of MPD - maybe a side-effect of shapeshifting?

Again, just playing Devil's Advocate here.

Oh yeah! I never even thought about charlie!

QUOTE (Saviour @ Apr 28 2009, 06:21 AM) *
I don't know about ending the use of abilities, but side effects are definitely things which have come up in the past. Jessica was a side effect of Niki's ability, Bob explicitly mentioned this. And it's also been stated on Behind The Eclipse that Isaac's drug use and Peter's tendency to overload are both side effects of using their abilities.

It has to be it! Matt, Charlie, Sylar, Niki/Jessica, (I don't know about Isaac, some people are just druggies), Peter... Side affects happen.
Hiro just has to use his powers sparingly.
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