So they're saying that with Sylar as Nathan now the clairsentience will help fill in the gaps of Nathan's memory. BUT...if he'll learn the history of whatever object he touches won't he learn that he's not really Nathan?

That's my argument as well. Major loophole, poor planning.

One would think. I mean, the fact that he can even see the history of an object should scare the Hell out of him. I mean, how does flying evolve into seeing an items history? But then again, it's obvious from the fact that SylarNathan couldn't remain Nathan for even a minute that they plan on re-introducing Sylar as Sylar very soon... (I'm betting episode one of season four)

What's funny, is that I was so glad to see the power come back last week, and now I regret saying that as they've extended the power out a little too far.

I'm in full agreement. I was happy that they brought back the power since it was not to my recollection used at all last arc.
This episode took it too far, and wrecked my glee. Some powers should be left as-is.

@TC
I believe they're going with the theory that you can't use a power you don't know exists.
IA is different as it is just that, innate.

But Sylar's memories were erased and Nathan's memories were implanted... I think it's more likely that we will see a man who is (for all intents and purposes) Nathan in Sylar's body, who has no memories of being Sylar, but struggles with abilities and personality quirks he can't explain (ex being bugged by the clock being off) and no longer being sure who he is.

Of course, with RCR, Sylar's memories could eventually be restored...

*sigh* I hope they keep him thinking he's Nathan for a while though. Could be an interesting internal conflict.

'Nathan' could acquire memories subconsciously. He could use the power without realizing it. There are many ways to go with 'Nathan'.

However, how do we know that Sylar didn't get all of Nathan's memories already? That was his plan wasn't it? Apparently Nathan needed to be awake for it to work. Well Nathan sure was awake when the both of them were out the window for a long while.

Mama Petrelli isn't all knowing. She could have been wrong about what Sylar already knew.. the writers have a long vacation to mull over this stuff.

Those saying you'd think "Nathan" would realize he was acquiring memories well holding an object: Have you never in your life had a flash of memory caused by holding an object?

yes, but aren't those usually your own memories?

And since he's Nathan, or at least believes he is, they would be his memories.

unless the object he touches has a history related to someone else (ex. he picks up a penny from the sidewalk and suddenly knows everywhere that penny has been and who touched it)

That's not an experience you have everyday...

EDIT: unless you're Sylar, of course

If IA can show itself in Nathan's state, like with the clock, then so can regeneration, etc.

Also, if Nathan has his memories, how can he not put two and two together, after having many Sylar-esque experiences? He just happens to have a fascination with clocks now? What about the Hunger?

So Sylar now doesn't know who he is...

Well...

I'm not buying that at all.

Sylar can heal...

And what Parkman did to Sylar is what Big Papa Petrelli did to Angela over and over.

Linderman healed her scars and her memories came back.

In my opinion Sylar's healing factor will reverse whatever parkman did to him.

Exactly synch so if he touches an object and remembers something he won't think much of it because its one of Nathan's memories, since Sylar has been led to believe that he is Nathan none of those memories would bother him.

For all we know Sylar grabbed Nathan's ability to fly while he and Nathan were fighting outside. The issues that are going to come up with Sylar as Nathan might not start with him but with Peter. If Peter touches Nathan and takes anything other than flying then realizes where he got it, things are giong to get tense.

Exactly, but that's the fun part. The part of him that thinks he's Nathan would be disgusted by the thought of being Sylar... Even if he realizes what happened, I don't think he'd be so quick to become Sylar again...

And if Sylar's memories start coming back but Nathan's memories are still there, the internal conflict would be intense, methinks

I have to say if I realized I was actually Sylar, but I was me too, I'd probably just kill myself.

Take one for the team.

Congratulations. You have predicted half the drama that will occur next season. "Nathan's" struggle with himself.

I think the bigger threat to "Nathan"s equilibrium is not his Clairsentience, but his healing.

One cut. One bruise. One scratch.
How do you explain away you healing yourself?

I'm pretty sure it's been shown that Regeneration isn't a conscious ability.
I'm also pretty sure it's not something Matt can turn off.

Wow! I just saw through this object that I can fly!
Jeronimooooooooooooooooo! HUCH? O_O
Oh crap! *Boom*

yeah , this lead into next season is a bit sad.using these abilities just to justify keeping characters going is become old hat.the show began as "heroes" it had lotsa fun promise,you could show a cast of heroes and misguided villians such as ted and how they all resolve things . now it is all about how to resolve issues of keeping nathan and sylar around.

I would imagine that those who knew the secret tried very hard to keep any objects which could hold the memories revealing the truth about Naylar/Sylathon (has he got a name yet? ) out of sight or destroyed. Realistically the only objects that could do that would have been in the room at the time of the change so they could easily be disposed of. Anything else could just be explained away by Angela for her other power is the gift of the gab

Agreed.


Him touching things around him, he probably feels like he is being reminded of what happened, rather than thinking OMGWTF!?! who is this guy. He does think he is Nathan after all.

So we essentially get Peter from Season 1. Peter was haviong trouble dealing with all the abilities he was absorbing and coming to terms with being so "special". He didnt start to control these abilities until Claude came around. Maybe they'll bring back Claude and pay homeage to season 1.

Sylar has always had a thing about being "special", I think as his abilities keep creeping up at just the right moments, he will start to get the hunger once more and see what his body/mind is really capable of. Before that, he will go through an awkward phase of not knowing who he is or what these crazy powers that keep showing up, ala season 1 Peter.

They really took a leap with this power just to make room for Sylar/Nathan to stay on the show.

yeah a big loophole

^ This.

Personally I think Naylar is stupid. For many reasons but the main one being that it's just going to be so damn hard to write the show. They already had to allow Sylar's clothes to shift along with his body because it was easier. That was only one power! Now they have to deal with writing in a way which constantly tiptoes around moments where Naylar can figure out what is going on.

Also when did Clairsentience also mean enhanced memory?! How can he possibly remember the history of everything he touches on a daily basis?!

Bridget Bailey, the original holder of the power, never experienced any sort of enhanced memory she just had flashes of the history of an object.

So freaking bogus and I agree this opens up way too many plot holes for season four.

Y'know what ****** me off about this ability? Everyone seems to forget that ANGELA HELPED MURDER BRIDGET BAILEY. Sylar got this ability because Angela "fed" him. So everyone who looks upon Angela as some kind of benevelant matriarch should just keep in mind that she's responcible for Sylar's ability.

i agree with sniderman.

Maybe thats the point, maybe she knew what she was doing and this is all part of her plan. She was willing to sacrifice Peter in season 1 for the explosion, maybe Nathan is just callateral damage now. What other reason would she have for feeding Sylar that particular power? She knew he would need it in some way for all of this to unfold.

Angela is pretty calculating and is always seeing the big picture in terms of specials and how to control them. If they can get Nylar into office, it would give the "Company" a huge player with ruthless instincts just under the surface. Maybe she didn't think Nathan had the cajones to do some things the Nylar would..maybe

I wish he could explain why the Burgundy wine was in a Bordeaux bottle! That Volnay seems to have clearly some history... :-P

I don't think it would just be the objects in the room...but really any object or person Sylar or Nathan has encountered before. Say Sylar/Nathan touches something from when Nathan was a kid, like a baseball or something...Sylar would then learn that he wasn't the one that actually used that ball and that the real Nathan was the one that did it.

And Uh, won't he be able to touch Angela, Noah, or Matt and WALAH! He'll see their history and that scene where they forced him to believe he was Nathan?!

Yea, plot holes galore with this here.

Judging from her reaction to his death I think she got her calculations pretty wrong in this instance. She did have a plan and that was for Matt to save Nathan. Kinda worked I guess, just not how she expected.



But objects that were not in the room would not be able to carry the history which told of the events in the room... if that makes sense. You might have a point with the people but again it would only be those who know that truth that could tip him off as to what happened. That's nothing a little trip to the Haitian couldn't solve though Angela didn't seem too worried about touching him before they went out for lunch.

That may have been for Parkman's benefit. She needed Parkman to believe Nathan was really dead too, this way he would give in to creating Naylar (wonder if he's realted to Ralph Nadar) Although I could be totally off in my theory.

While both Sylar and Nathan were still alive and Sylar was posing as Nathan, he held her necklace and gained her memories of Nathan through it. Clairsentience is, by definition, an extension of clairvoyance, which is the ability to gain previously unknown information by extrasensory means. I think as long as Sylathan doesn't touch anything that belonged to Sylar (which wasn't much to begin with), he should be fine.

Although, Matt didn't wipe his memories like the Haitian... he just brainwashed him, made him think he was Nathan. How long is that going to last? I'm pulling for a Peter discovery, THAT'S going to be rife with drama.

Maybe this is part of the problem with Sylar with Clairsentience and shapeshifting. Maybe with shapeshifting he exactly replicates them through the touching of their DNA and, combined with Clairsentience, he becomes the person completely including their memories. What I'm wondering is can he fly? He has Nathan's memories so we know he thinks he can fly. I was assuming that when Sylar came through the window with Nathan he was TKing himself.

thoughts on this one Synch?

Well, if that lie detector thing isn't something you can turn off and on, then he will also always know that Angela is lying to him..

Ugh as if I didn't hate this whole thing enough, I had to venture into this thread

So in theory, this whole thing should have been blown out of the water the second Nylar hugged Angela. He hugs her gets her history and knows he's Sylar. BAM it's done, or what about at the campfire? When HRG and Angela flat out LIED, shouldn't he have noticed his head shaking like an earthquake? He might not have known WHAT it was, but he should have noticed SOMETHING.. But I suppose an ending where everyone is around the bonfire roasting "sylar" and Nylar touches Angela to discover the whole thing is a sham then say's something about it to have everyone realize something's up and a look of "OH cupcakes" cross the faces of Angela, HRG & Parman is to realistic? To fitting with the crap end of the show? To I don't know, interesting and leaving us with a real cliffhanger which would have been fitting with the direction they went?

I hate that I disliked the end of the season THIS much, I hate even more that it's really only 10 minutes of the end of Volume 4. Most of all I hate that I feel like this after I thought we had move BEYOND this crap...

They really need a board, with everyone and their abilities listed so when they write this crap it doesn't come back to bite them later because they forgot what their OWN characters can do..

Or maybe they need a fan reader community to point out this stuff when they are writing scripts... or am I to optimistic in thinking this is just so detailed they've forgotten instead of blatantly ignoring their own history?

Judging from the way Sylar used the power it seemed like it had an on off switch, like he scanned the person when he asked a specific question. I can certainly see that power being useful in his political career, even more so if he was still a prosecutor for the district attorney