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bbplayer5
All its going to take for Sylar to come back, or everyone to know its Sylar...

What is it you ask? Simple...

"Snathan" - Ouch I got cut on a piece of glass..
"Claire" - Here let me wash that for you dad
"Snathan" - There is no cut there..

DUN DUN DUN...

Should have been de-powered by Peter and just killed off already...
JazzG
Either Sylar is going to be healed by someone (ie Linderman type powers) or like with Peter he will see something or remember something that will cause his mind to heal and he would remember everything.
Sayonara
^ Yea, he has regen after all. Faux pas by Mrs.Petrelli
Dezmond
QUOTE (JazzG @ Apr 28 2009, 01:45 PM) *
Either Sylar is going to be healed by someone (ie Linderman type powers) or like with Peter he will see something or remember something that will cause his mind to heal and he would remember everything.


But Peter's brain healed in season 2. They already supposedly forgot about Claire's magic blood so who is to say they won't do the same for Peter's brain healing. (if you get what I mean).

I just hope they won't go for the obvious, I would prefer some good writing next season.
Rad
I think Sylar will find the real Nathan's body in some way, and that's when all hell will break loose. Either that or someone else will find the body and revive it somehow.
DrStrange
I think that the example with the clock shows that the hunger will be back. Nathan will be confused as to why he has the hunger, and then realize that he is in fact Sylar.
Xodus
Or what if Nathan accidentally moves something with his mind or shoots lightning.
dcg
There are just too many ways. I think Nathar (or Nylar) will see that he has some of Sylar's abilities. Thinking that Sylar did something to him or that he is possessed by Sylar (like Peter was inside of Jessee) will upset Nathar (Nylar). I am really looking forward to all the drama with this. I never thought I'd type "poor Sylar" but that is the way I feel.
Sinister
Or they could go several seasons of Nathan acting like Nathan. Commonly when super heroes/villains lose their power they always give a little hint they are not gone forever. Maybe the producers and writers already know what will happen or maybe they haven't thought that far ahead and wanted to let us know it is still possible for him to return as Sylar.
Shadowpsykie
Or maybe it will be a jekyll and hyde kind of thing, Nathan's and peter's mind's fighting eachother for control over his body. they did that with Niki, but in this case, it would actually be two different minds actually waging a war with each other in thier minds. definately has possibilities.
TrentSteele
I think some people aren't taking into account, for example, that people with multiple personality disorder will sometimes have different attributes depending on which identity currently holds sway- this has similarly been shown on Heroes with Jessica, who had a tattoo that Nikki did not have and possessed super strength while Nikki (until she made a breakthrough in the Season I finale) did not. This is to say, if "Nathan's" brain is currently fully convinced that it really is Nathan Petrelli, then perhaps Sylar's powers will be dormant until such time as his consciousness reawakens, meaning "Nathan" will fail to regenerate, be unable to use telekinesis, etc.

SuperT
Yea, you can see this stupid plot coming from a mile away like a freaking freight train.

I give it two or three episodes at the most before Sylar is back. rolleyes.gif
Aces
QUOTE (SuperT @ Apr 28 2009, 01:22 PM) *
Yea, you can see this stupid plot coming from a mile away like a freaking freight train.

I give it two or three episodes at the most before Sylar is back. rolleyes.gif



i think it would be cool if a hero got introduced who could make zombies out of dead people. sylar/nathan would totes be like WTF if he saw zombie nathan coming after him!
chucky907
if peter want decide take fly then peter say" can i hug you for flight ability and slyar say" No problem if you can want hug me then peter touch him will make peter found out his brother was dead it is slyar shock mean he can get slyar's all power ability
MagnificoG
Since Sylar's acquired abilities all came from knowledge he gleaned via Intuitive Aptitude, I think it's highly possible that Parkman effectively removed everything except Nathlar's natural ability when he erased all of Gabriel Gray's memories. (The idea of that would make me hate this episode at least 15% less..) Because, if that's the case, than right now Nathlar can only diagnose broken clocks, and hopefully with his political power, and Nathan's more humane attitude, he will feel special enough not to want to start cracking open brain pans.*edit* sorry, I see bigevill1 has already introduced this notion HERE
richual
He has the ability to see the history on all things he touches so if he touches his mom wouldn't it be known. If I am Angela I am hiring Matt and the Haitian to be around him 24/7 lol
Nabeshin
Sylar's power closet is based on his study of his victim's brains, and using his IA to understand how they tick. Therefore, since he's lost his memories of himself as Sylar, he shouldn't have access to his powers. Until his memories return to him, he should realistically be stuck with IA and flight only; IA because it's always on whether or not he knows it, and flight because he can intuitively and unconsciously understand Nathan's memories of flight, thanks to IA, and put it to work as if it were his base power.
ChicagoCubz
QUOTE (chucky907 @ Apr 28 2009, 12:40 PM) *
if peter want decide take fly then peter say" can i hug you for flight ability and slyar say" No problem if you can want hug me then peter touch him will make peter found out his brother was dead it is slyar shock mean he can get slyar's all power ability


WTF are you trying to say?
paigequinto
QUOTE (Nabeshin @ Apr 28 2009, 01:46 PM) *
Sylar's power closet is based on his study of his victim's brains, and using his IA to understand how they tick. Therefore, since he's lost his memories of himself as Sylar, he shouldn't have access to his powers. Until his memories return to him, he should realistically be stuck with IA and flight only; IA because it's always on whether or not he knows it, and flight because he can intuitively and unconsciously understand Nathan's memories of flight, thanks to IA, and put it to work as if it were his base power.

I think he's also get lightning and telekinesis, because he got those through empathy so now they're part of him.
Dezmond
QUOTE (ChicagoCubz @ Apr 28 2009, 05:47 PM) *
WTF are you trying to say?


Basically if Peter touches Nathan he will know who he really is.
kjd2003
It will be two episodes and Sylar will remember everything. I think what will happen is Tracy comes to kill Nathan and he doesn't die
scarface34
Schizophrenia. He Will be both Sylar and Nathan.
LOSTie
If "Nathan" touches an item of Sylar's he could get all of Sy's memories back. 0_o;
bruno6969
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Apr 28 2009, 09:43 AM) *
Since Sylar's acquired abilities all came from knowledge he gleaned via Intuitive Aptitude, I think it's highly possible that Parkman effectively removed everything except Nathlar's natural ability when he erased all of Gabriel Gray's memories. (The idea of that would make me hate this episode at least 15% less..) Because, if that's the case, than right now Nathlar can only diagnose broken clocks, and hopefully with his political power, and Nathan's more humane attitude, he will feel special enough not to want to start cracking open brain pans.*edit* sorry, I see bigevill1 has already introduced this notion HERE


'The Hunger' already kicked in during the intro into V5.
pawn6545
i dont think sylar will be back for awhile because of budget cuts. No Sylar = More Money for special effects.
Estacado
QUOTE (pawn6545 @ Apr 28 2009, 08:08 PM) *
i dont think sylar will be back for awhile because of budget cuts. No Sylar = More Money for special effects.


Lol. This is just funny to me, the heroes spent 4 volumes trying to kill Sylar but he ends up getting taken out by budget cuts. Lol

Anyways, back on topic. I think that either Angela, Peter, or Claire might do something that forces some of Sylar's memories to come back. Like Peter or Claire mentioning an experience they had with Sylar and that memory returning to him. Or Angela slipping up somehow. And I don't know why, but I have a feeling that Peter might already know something is up.
Renrut
I wonder if Nathan/Sylar has any of Sylar's abilities other than his original one. If he's wiped he may not, including TK because he wouldn't have the guilt or whatever the reason they gave for retaining it earlier. I'm wondering because he will eventually touch something of his Sylar handled while walking around his office. He will also have an uncanny ability to know when someone is telling him a lie. Angela would have to know her plan won't work.
Hero Freak
QUOTE (MagnificoG @ Apr 28 2009, 01:43 PM) *
Since Sylar's acquired abilities all came from knowledge he gleaned via Intuitive Aptitude, I think it's highly possible that Parkman effectively removed everything except Nathlar's natural ability when he erased all of Gabriel Gray's memories. (The idea of that would make me hate this episode at least 15% less..) Because, if that's the case, than right now Nathlar can only diagnose broken clocks, and hopefully with his political power, and Nathan's more humane attitude, he will feel special enough not to want to start cracking open brain pans.*edit* sorry, I see bigevill1 has already introduced this notion HERE



But he is still a shapeshifter. I think it is more likely that the powers are all still there but he cannot conciously (sic?) remember them.

That leaves the unconcious ones. Lie detection and Healing. You would think the healing would eventually restore the memories as well.

Too many can of worms if you ask me.






SaberProductions
I think the can of worms is the POINT of all of this. It's setting up the drama for next season. Angela is already realizing what she did was a bad idea. And you know it will be bad when Peter and Claire find out. And Adrian Pasdar has already confirmed that the Sylar mind and Nathan's memories will be duking it out for control. How redemption ties into this, I don't know. But I'm pretty excited to find out! biggrin.gif
Synch
Next season kind of obvious? Not at all.

You know, partly, 2 of the plotlines. And you don't even know enough about them for an educated guess, let alone any obvious statements, about what's going to happen.
MagnificoG
They could have Nathlar eat "Haitian pills" everyday like Peter did in S2. Then there'd be no risk of accidental discovery. I can even see someone in government demanding it in exchange for him maintaining his office.
Hordak Alpha
QUOTE (bbplayer5 @ Apr 28 2009, 07:17 AM) *
All its going to take for Sylar to come back, or everyone to know its Sylar...

What is it you ask? Simple...

"Snathan" - Ouch I got cut on a piece of glass..
"Claire" - Here let me wash that for you dad
"Snathan" - There is no cut there..

DUN DUN DUN...

Should have been de-powered by Peter and just killed off already...



It'll be the Sylar show. Starring Zach Quinto as Sylar, also starring Adrian Pasdar as Sylar, and Mr. Muggles as Sylar. Special guest star Željko Ivanek as Sylar.
Justin
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 29 2009, 05:34 PM) *
Next season kind of obvious? Not at all.

You know, partly, 2 of the plotlines. And you don't even know enough about them for an educated guess, let alone any obvious statements, about what's going to happen.


So how many times do we need to see characters used in the exact same ways in order for our guesses to be educated?
Synch
Funny. Considering I don't think we've ever seen either character featured in the teaser used in that manner.

For that matter, we haven't seen any of the characters used in the exact same way...ever.
Raekon
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 30 2009, 05:54 AM) *
For that matter, we haven't seen any of the characters used in the exact same way...ever.

I guess thats because they are too busy applying a storyline from one character to the next one until they have at least half of the regulars through:

- claire dead = ressurects (ok I admit that it has to do with her power happy.gif )
- peter dead = ressurects
- sylar dead = ressurects
- nathan dead = ressurects
- hrg dead = ressurects
- maya dead = ressurects

- sylar loses his powers = regains
- peter loses his powers = regains
- hiro loses his powers = regains
- everyone loses their powers = regain
- hiro can't use his power anymore = probably regains next season again.

- peter loses his memories = regain
- hiro loses his memories = regain
- sylar loses his memories = regain probably next season

- everyone either gets killed by sylar or gets shot at least once

- and the biggest one: Nathan dies each season at least once!

QUOTE
It'll be the Sylar show. Starring Zach Quinto as Sylar, also starring Adrian Pasdar as Sylar, and Mr. Muggles as Sylar. Special guest star Željko Ivanek as Sylar
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cLEmbeaR
QUOTE (Hordak Alpha @ Apr 29 2009, 08:08 PM) *
It'll be the Sylar show. Starring Zach Quinto as Sylar, also starring Adrian Pasdar as Sylar, and Mr. Muggles as Sylar. Special guest star Željko Ivanek as Sylar.


yes, sadly it has become the sylar show.
Justin
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 29 2009, 10:54 PM) *
Funny. Considering I don't think we've ever seen either character featured in the teaser used in that manner.

For that matter, we haven't seen any of the characters used in the exact same way...ever.


And y'know that may be your opinion.

For me, when I see HRG lying to Claire about some big issue and Claire wigging out about it, and HRG claiming "I do everything for my family" I'm thinking: We've been here before, not "well this time is Sylathan, so its "different."

For me, when I see Hiro and Ando, off on a comic relief side mission, where Hiro's use of his power is challenged and Ando does something useful occasionally, I'm thinking: We've been here before, not "well, this time they're taking down Building 26, so its different!"

For me when I see Peter and Nathan overcoming the fact that Nathan is a self-centered ****** and Peter is a high-minded optimist and telling eachother that they love eachother as they rush into danger... I'm thinking "we've been here before" not, well this time is Sylar and not a Bomb...

When I see peter as both the cause and cure of the problem...
When I see Claire do everything she can to make a difference and fail utterly in every conceivable way...
When I see Sylar oscillating between whether he'll do good or evil... or taking different identities... or tormenting Claire... or slowly empowering or reempowering himself over the course of the season, I'm thinking, we've been here before.

And when I say "been here before" I mean to say that it is a remix of S1, just as S2 was. The actors are acting against the same people and using the exact same range of emotions year after year.

And worst of all, for me, when I see Nathan killed at the end of a season, only to be brought back with an explanation devoid of logic... I'm thinking "we've been here before" not "well this time, the explanation actually makes sense"

And what's even worse, if possible, is that now, the same old same old emotional arcs are basically the only logical way to go with these characters. Sylar will again slowly reempower himself. Peter will again have a falling out with Nathan. The "new" part of next season, Sylar and Nathan in the same body, will just be a vehicle for the same acting in new backgrounds. This is not high quality entertainment like the season they keep remixing, this is, apparently, fanservice.
bruno6969
QUOTE (SaberProductions @ Apr 29 2009, 10:42 AM) *
How redemption ties into this, I don't know. But I'm pretty excited to find out! biggrin.gif


Angela and Noah need redemption more than ever now. Plus, the specials in general.
Kiquito
I agree with Justin, in that we've been here before.

I sure hope the writers think this through better than to have Sathan remember who he really is and the same old script repeat itself.

I think the best part of S1 was new characters from around the world coming together... I'd like to see more of that.

New powers, new characters (we don't have any yet from Russia, Korea (well, there's Ando who speaks Korean), etc.) and new stories would be refreshing. I'd like to see the "new" company branch out to stuff we haven't seen.
Synch
And you probably will.

What you seem to forget is the reaction the show had the 2 times it tried to bring in new blood. People hated Maya, they tolerated Adam and Elle, and they had no real reaction at all to Monica. The boards were filled with complaints that these new characters were depriving Peter and Sylar and HRG and the other S1 cast of screen time.
Typhon
QUOTE (Synch @ May 1 2009, 01:04 AM) *
And you probably will.

What you seem to forget is the reaction the show had the 2 times it tried to bring in new blood. People hated Maya, they tolerated Adam and Elle, and they had no real reaction at all to Monica. The boards were filled with complaints that these new characters were depriving Peter and Sylar and HRG and the other S1 cast of screen time.


The problem wasn't bringing in new characters,it was the way they were used.Maya turned out to be useless,rendering the huge amount of screentime she got as useless.Look how many new characters we got in season two(Monica,Maya,Alejandro,Bob,Adam,Elle,Maury,West and the list goes on). You can't establish well loved characters one season,and bring in new characters and give them an unnatural amount of wasted screentime while ignoring the already estblished characters.That's why people complained.If all of the new characters got important storylines that tie-in with the main plot,and if there was more balance in screentime,people wouldn't have complained.I say they only bring in new characters tie them in to the main story in a satisfying manner and not just anyone.

Also,I may be wrong here,but people "tolerated" Adam and Elle?I thought they were extremely popular.

As much as I like the main cast,I can't help but feel the need to see some new blood.Other people who are important to the storyline,with a good backstory of their own.However things might be looking p,because according to the latest Ausellio the show is planning to introduce a new cool villain. laugh.gif
Justin
QUOTE (Synch @ Apr 30 2009, 02:04 PM) *
What you seem to forget is the reaction the show had the 2 times it tried to bring in new blood. People hated Maya, they tolerated Adam and Elle, and they had no real reaction at all to Monica. The boards were filled with complaints that these new characters were depriving Peter and Sylar and HRG and the other S1 cast of screen time.


I haven't forgotten that at all. What I also remember is other shows and mediums where new characters were introduced VERY successfully. That's how I know that the new characters weren't the problem, but the way they were introduced and developed was.
Raekon
QUOTE (Justin @ May 1 2009, 12:32 AM) *
I haven't forgotten that at all. What I also remember is other shows and mediums where new characters were introduced VERY successfully. That's how I know that the new characters weren't the problem, but the way they were introduced and developed was.


Fully agree!
The writers even seem to always axing a reccuring after he/she starts getting likeable to the audience like if they would fear for their lifes that the new reccuring gets enough "weight" of sympathy (like Candice as example that people started to like her a lot and get intersted in her after the landslide episode) that they might have to make him/her to a regular a season later or keep the character for more than one seasons.

I understand that the budget is tight and the main cast is kinda "large" but thats the case in other shows aswell and it still works well.

All the mentioned characters of season 2 could had made the cut and brought more fun and sympathy into the show if handled properly. What they mainly did once again was pushing others storylines by using the new characters like example in mayas case.

It started intriguing where everyone was interested to her and the mystery around her power and then all of sudden everyone started to hate her after sylar appeared and starting getting center stage by "using" her and alejandro by using the twins to push sylars storyline instead of giving them room to tell and live their own one. Then season 3 begins, people have high hopes about maya (most of all through the cool promo picts) and then what happens with her? Big nothing! She pushes Mos storyline a bit and then gets depowered. At least she got the chance to leave alive and I'm happy about it.

Monica started well and was likeable by many and then all of sudden she dissappears into the "limbo" doing nothing leaving everyone guessing why she even appeared in the show at all.

Adam started good, were liked by many (like Elle too) only to turn him useless at the end bringing him back in season 3 in a episode so he can turn to dust.

Wests story were supposed to be a other and after they changed their mind about it, they still let it play creepy and stalking so people disliked him (what was actually his old purpose) by mixing what they had in mind with him for like 2-3 episodes and then turning to like 180 degress with him making a totally other guy out of him that even he was likeable and fun, people always had the creepy stalking guy in their head.

They even almost made the same mistake with Tracys character in season 3, she starts like a loving caring person that wants to turn herself in for what happened to the reporter even it was an accident and then they turn her all around making her be something else all of sudden.

At least they corrected a few things with her so the character had the chance at the end to be likeable, interesting so the people want to know and see more of her.

So if they get to introduce new characters this time, I really hope they will give them a good start without any turnarounds the whole time that are confusing the audience and the character itself additionaly.
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