The connection i mean is when peter says "But first we need to course correct"

Such a lost line, might as well said live together die alone lol.


Also danko was in i believe s3 of lost and matt parkman played an airplane pilot in the pilot episode... and i believe also in one of anna's episodes.

Just thought i would get that out there.

I heard it! I thought of LOST immediately.

There are lots of similarities to LOST in Heroes. I have a book called "Saving the World: A Guide to Heroes" that spends an entire chapter ("Are These Heroes 'Lost'?") highlighting the similarities. It's crazy how many there are!

The biggest connection to Lost is that Matt looks like a fat version of the pilot of Flight 815! Whoa!


Sadly the quality of the writing on Heroes bears no similarity to Lost.

Good thing they have an amazing Plot, outstanding Directors and phenominal Actors then, right?

Tsk tsk tsk, even after editing this you left in 'they'? Why? Because you did I could answer:

Yes, it is a good thing Lost has all those things. Too bad Heroes doesn't.


Anywhoo, even though "course correcting" or "course correction" has been said before Lost, when Peter said it it made me think of Lost.

Of course I left in they. Heroes does have all of those things, and if you disagree, it makes me wonder why you watch it if you don't like the writing, plot, directors or actors? Do you enjoy the set design?

Yeah set design is the only reason i watch heroes. I mean seriously isn't that why you watch it?

You know, as great as the Deveux building roof, and Isaacs loft are, I prefer them in the background, where they belong

Let's follow your logic.

I said I like the writing/acting/etc; of Lost more than Heroes.
You assume I don't like Heroes because of this.

I say I like vanilla more than chocolate.
You assume I don't like chocolate.

I don't think I need to spell out the mistake you made. But I will anyway. One can like two things, but like one more than the other.

whatever, duh. Heroes is great and phenomenal, and for some who thinks otherwise,

Actually, I think this phrase is what prompted his response:




So your logic was flawed from the beginning and the rest of your post was inane and irrelevant.

My logic? I had an opinion. It was Imthehero who made an argument. An argument that was shown to be illogical. Read the two statements again:



Claiming I dislike Heroes, just because I like (at least one) aspect of Lost better, is not supported by what was said. *That* is the flawed logic.

You never claimed you like an aspect(s) of Lost better than Heroes. You seemed to be saying that heroes has no good plot, director, or actors. Of course, Imthehero asked do you disagree (about plot, director, actors), and you launched into something about ice cream.

Forgive me for assuming that you used logic when forming your post. Won't make that mistake again.

Back to the topic: this thread made me start to contemplate similarities. The first I thought of was Daphne - couldn't walk until she became "special," and then she was healed.

We've also got an Asian couple on both shows, and in the first season of both, one of the duo had to do all of the translating for the other.

I seem to be saying? Proper reading comprehension is an essential skill. Used properly here, I imagine you would have been able to gather that all I said was that Lost has *amazing* Plot, *outstanding* Directors and *phenomenal* Actors, while Heroes does not have all these things. And that is my opinion, and it is different than saying I don't like the show, or that I think everything on it sucks. The one thing I often think isn't great is the writing. The plotting on Heroes is mediocre at best in my opinion, but the directors save for a couple great ones are average, and while some actors are indeed great on the show they often cannot shine like they should due to the mediocre plotting. I still enjoy the show obviously, even though I often find myself thinking with just a little effort, it could be much better.



No asked. Assumed I didn't like all of those aspects of the show. Which was an incorrect conclusion to draw. I used the ice cream to better show how Imthehero's logic was unsound. Liking one thing more than another does not mean you hate one of those things. That's the point about the ice cream example.




Why assume. Read what is written, see if people are giving their opinion based on their personal tastes, or see if they are making a logical argument. If you read carefully you will always be able to figure out what a person is doing.

Since everyone is assuming what I meant, i figure i better just spell it out. Clay, you said you liked Lost because it had outstanding, phenominal, ect stuff. I mentioned that Heroes also has this, to which you disagree. I asked if you don't find the plot, acting, writing, and directing to be good (which you said), do you like the set design. I asked because if someone has the opinion that everything on a show is sub par, i automaticlly wonder why they watch it. If I find vanillia bland, boring, and plain, I eat chocolate ice cream. I don't eat both and complain that vanillia is sucky by comparison.

Lowerthebar, you hit the nail on the head. boom.
Also, did you prefer Japanses speaking Hiro, or do you like that he knows english now?

You are still getting this wrong.



See I like the writing, the directors and the actors enough to keep watching. I never said I didn't like them. You assumed I did not like them in order to make a silly joke about set design. Your assumption about me not liking the show was wrong then and it is wrong now. Which is what I have pointed out to you several times, yet you seem to think you know my opinion of the show better than I do. Which is odd. I also never said anything remotely close to the following:



There you go again putting words into my mouth. Where did I say everything on the show was sub par? At first I said Lost excelled in all 3 of the areas you mentioned, while Heroes did not excel in all of them. Only recently did I explicitly state that the writing, and only the writing, is mediocre at best. All my other comments indicate that the other aspects are at par level or better (or at the very least, there is *nothing* in my comments which indicate that I think anything other than the writing is sub par). So please, in the future, pay attention to what I say, so that you won't make these mistakes.

I find it funny, and a bit annoying, that some posters find it okay to talk to others as if they have no brain. Being talked down to is not fun, nor is it necessary.

But anyways, to get back on topic, As someone who's only seen a bit of Lost, I can't obviously say that there are a plethora of similarities, but there are a few. This also isn't the only place I've heard this. Some of my friends who are fans of both have said the same thing. Maybe Heroes is trying to reach the level that lost has? From what I hear, it isn't necessarily a bad goal to have.

-Clay
-Clay, regarding quality plot,acting,ect.

Now I don't think I am putting any words in your mouth, I am simply replying to what you write. When I say Heroes has great plot,acting, and directing, you say no. Now where in the world would I get the impression you find Heroes to be sub par? Maybe when you said it. Right there, in your quote.

Now if you wish to say that you agree with me, and that Heroes does have a good plot, actors and directors, ect. then by all means, go ahead! But don't bash Heroes, while trying to act like I'm the troll for responding to what you say.

That's incorrect actually. You misread it. Read what I wrote and what you wrote again. You put adjectives in front of acting, writing and directing. I used the word 'all'. Look at the significance of that word:



Since I think Heroes does not have "an amazing Plot", it cannot have all of those things you mentioned. I think the plotting is inferior to that of Lost. So why, with only that specific statement, do you jump to the conclusion that I don't like the show? Why do you say this:



Why do you make that jump? You cannot logically make that jump. All that can be said from my statement is that I think Lost is outstanding in all of those areas, while I think Heroes is not outstanding in all of those areas. Which is true. But I still think Heroes is decent overall in a popcorn, comic book entertainy type of sense. So once again you are wrong. You read too much into what I said, perhaps glossing over the significance of some words, and came up with a conclusion not supported by the evidence.

Agreed. And what's funnier and/or more annoying is that it's something you can actually expect to happen more and more these days on this site.


But anyway;



Considering the dramatic shift in quality that Lost had at the end of S4 after an also less than glowing S3, I would say that it's something Heroes should strive for, in fact. Maybe the show can 'course correct' and get back to S1 level awesomeness again.

I don't mind that Hiro now speaks English, but I wish they'd taken the time to show him learning it like they did with Jin on LOST.

Would I be stretching if found similarities in the Noah-Claire relationship from s1 (protecting Claire from Primatech) and Michael-Walt relationship? Unspecial father, special child. Group of "others" who want the child in order to take advantage of the specialness. Father willing to kill to protect/get back his child.

Even saying all that, I still think I'm stretching. Michael never knew Walt was special and he had no previous relationship with the Others like Noah did with Primatech.

See, we assume certain people don't like the show because, since they began posting they never had anything positive to say.

Also, the Ignore feature. It's your friend. Makes your 9th experience much more enjoyable.

Since I don't watch, or even like, Lost, I can't add much to the conversation about similarities between the two shows. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion. lol

This is directed at me, and of course is false. Hell you can see its false by reading this very thread where I say good things about Heroes here and there.




So you wrote solely to come after me personally. Which 'coincidentally' has happened right after you lost an argument in another thread. Not the way to go man. Stick to addressing arguments, not personal sniping.

I don't think there's too much of a connection there, though it is an interesting parallel... And if I may ask, what makes Walter special? (sorry, like I said earlier, I've only watched the first half of season one lol)

Take your own advice. Telling people they lack reading comprehension skills--solely because you can't state your positions clearly in the first place, then refuse to provide clarification when asked--is personal sniping. And I've noticed you draw out this particular snipe every time someone deigns to disagree with you. Grow up and stop being such a troll.

Brenn:

Walter's specialness was never clearly defined. Weird things happened around him and he seemed to be able to make things happen because he wanted them to (not on purpose, though). There was other extra-content stuff that I've never seen or I'd probably be able to explain it better.

Another similarity: In each show's season 2, they introduced a dismally UNpopular new Latina regular.

I did not tell 'people' or even a person they lacked reading comprehension skills. I merely said reading comprehension is essential (obviously most people read fine and yet occasionally misunderstand a phrase or a sentence or two). And then I explained what the proper reading of my words would be here. So I explained what my words meant, exactly. I did this *multiple* times, so to claim I didn't clarify my position is a ridiculous and incorrect thing to say. I mean come on now, we know what I think is 'outstanding' about Lost. We know that I don't find the writing on Heroes to be outstanding, rather I find it to be mediocre. Otherwise I'm ok with Heroes. And of course I said I enjoy the show overall. How could you *possibly* claim I have not been clear on this?

And finally, I did not call anyone in here names. I merely corrected misconceptions about my opinions of the show. You on the other hand just implied I was a child and flat out stated I was a troll. Please refrain from such person attacks.

The beginning of Villains very much reminded me of Lost. The plane crashing and all.

A bit off topic here, i just found out that clay aiken is gay, shocked man..

Just for those who are curious, here are some similarites between "Lost" and season 1 of "Heroes".

- Both shows have episodes called "Collision" and "Homecoming"
- In both shows, a young blonde girl learns that her father is another character on the show
- In both shows, said young blonde's name is Claire
- Dharma's experimentation is similar to the Company's
- The Dharma symbol is important, as is the Godsend (Helix) symbol
- In both shows, a character sees the future and learns what they must do


There's a bunch more. I'm pulling these from that "Saving the World - A Guide to Heroes" book that I mentioned in a earlier post.

^^ Another one to add to that list, 1977 is an important year both for Lost and Heroes.

Whatever similarities they have, Heroes needs to get over it and go its own way so that it can become even better than it is.