Do you think sylar could still become Sylar again? Are his memories erased ? Why do you think Angela hasn't got the Haitian to remove them.

If SAN can not access Sylar's memories if he touches any object that he touched as Sylar he will get those bits of information. (creepy) Things will be very confusing for SAN till he figures out what is going on with him.

Why Angela hasn't got the Haitian yet...
Maybe she is trying to do that and we could see it next season, or maybe he is unavailable or not responding.

She could not wait for the next plane from Port-au-Prince if she wanted to act like nothing happened...
We already know that some Sylar is still ticking inside Nathan. And as his soft spot has moved inside, there might exist another part with it's own memories! Yeskill and Hide!

Juba: I agree. Plus, we've seen this happen before when the Haitian erased Peter's memories - Peter was able to "heal" them. It shouldn't take Sylar that long. :/

We did see it with Peter, yet the Haitian didn't put anything in place of the memories he erased, he just left a big hole, making their absence conspicuous to Peter. Nathlar has an entire lifetime of memories in place of where his own were, making it seem to me less likely his old ones can be brought back as easily. *edit* I'll also add that the Haitian's erasures don't come with a "command" to forget, Peter was desperately trying to remember his history, whereas when Arthur erased Angela's memory, she had no interest in filling the gap because she'd also been commanded not to, making Arthur's and Matt's full Telepathic erasure much more effective than the Haitian's limited version, IMO.

I think the writers plan to have Matt's power (in the form of memory supression) develope to surpass the Haitian's memory erasure.

The mind control abilities seem to tie in to one another, at least with Matt showing a form of Eden's manipulation, a form of Isaac's painting the future, and a form of the Haitian's memory supression.

I would say that the Haitian's ability to block others from using abilities around him are his alone. Then again, baby Matt is developing a similar ability of stop and go to powers around him. So maybe that too will be proved to be tied into the mind powers, especially since Matt and baby Matt are so closely linked in ability with the Haitian's in one form or another.

Anyway, back to the subject... So maybe Angela is confident in Matt's mind control ability and feels the Haitian isn't needed. Which over-confidence as we all know will one day prove to be a big mistake as Sylar re-emerges. That part is just too obvious, especially since the actor Zachary Quinto has been rumored to still be appearing in the next season by a few different sources (but don't quote me because it's just rumors as far as I know).

Well, Adrian Pasdar confirmed that Zachary Quinto would be back next season.

And, here's a thought. Matt did NOT want to turn Sylar into a surrogate Nathan. What if he deliberately made it possible for Sylar to regain his old memories out of spite?

I'm wondering if there is an object in his office that, when touched, will give Sylar/Nathan the memory of Nathan's throat being cut. He died in that chair. It would probably be cleaned and kept in the office. Sooner or later he will touch it or maybe he will put on the shoe's that Nathan died in.

Renrut: Sylar killed Nathan in the president's suite in a hotel in Washington, not in his office. So the chance he'll get there again is slightly smaller, but it does exist.

I also think we can safely assume that Sylar will slowly regain his memories. The ending with the clock made that abundantly clear. I do agree that Matt's memory wipe is different from the Haitian's, and that it might tale Sylar a longer time to gradually regain his memories, but I think his IA is already trying to fix itself. Has anyone ever read "Under Plum Lake?" It says there that if the mind retains only one percent of memories it has once had, it is capable of restoring the other 99% given enough time. To me, it looks as if that is what will happen.

I don't think Matt would deliberately leave Sylar any memories. I rather think it's hard to do a complete wipe.

I think it's safe to say most people agree Sylar will eventually get his memories back.

If that weren't the case, they wouldn't have shown us the teaser clip of him noticing that the clock was running a second and 1/2 fast.

Quinto himself is going on talk shows for Star Trek saying he's soon to head back for shooting S4, so it's hardly if he'll return, only when. To me, it's a question of whether they'll begin the approach to full-Sylar-emergence by showing how Nathan would behave with the Hunger and all the abilities which render Sylar godlike. Ugh. Just thinking about that bores me beyond belief. Why did they have to set up the fresh, new volume with yet another teaser of Sylar? Maybe taking a page from the S2-senseless-depowerment, they'll say Parkman removed all the offensive and powerful abilities, and purposefully left only Shapeshifting and Clairsentience for the purpose of him staying as Nathlar, but that IA eventually worked it's way forward, being Nathlar's only legitimate ability.. That would still give Nathlar the Hunger, but make him unable to Regenerate memories. It would also mean Telekinesis and Lightning (Not to mention all the other unbelievably powerful abilities he got in S3)were gone forever until he could track down someone else with them. That would definitely make me more interested in seeing him. Somehow, I doubt the writers agree with that, but hey, we can hope, right?

Matt also didn't erase the memories. That's most likely outside the scope of his abilities. He simply buried them so deep that "Nathan" is completely unaware of their existence.

He implanted false memories, and they're hoping the clairsentience covers the missing bits.

Still Nathan is a key character. I can't imagine them picking either sylar or Nathan.

Maybe some sort of spilt will happen.. like literally. Maybe shapeshifting has the ability not only to shape shift into one form, but two. What if sylar touched conjoined twins right?

Sylar may prefer to remain Nathan and so his own mind will fight against the re-emergence of the Sylar memories. Although the sudden ( at least to Nathan ) appearance of abilities should be confusing to Nathan.

I didn't think he wiped his memories, I thought he tricked/hypnotized Sylar into believing he was Nathan, and that all the memories he obtained about Nathan are his actual memories. I think the Sylar bits are suppressed, not wiped, but that Sylar consciousness has been tricked into believing it is something else. No doubt they are still there somewhere, and perhaps subconsciously bits will pop back up - like IA

I assumed he erased them the same way Arthur did, which seemed identical to the Haitian, but it's possible Parkman's ability doesn't work quite the same. I see no reason why it wouldn't, but to each their own. As for him removing the more powerful abilities, I remember different sound effects playing as Matt was working him over, including Telekinesis. That just made me hope he was erasing those abilities. I'd have to go back and watch it again to be sure exactly which ones I heard, which is something I refuse to do..I'm still recovering from my second viewing of the episode a few days ago. Ugh.

Even if he could erase memories of abilities, he couldn't erase the ability itself whichis hard coded in his DNA, such as his own power, and any absorbed through Empathic Mimicry. Empathic Mimicry has been stated to alter ones DNA through mosaic DNA and thus matt can not change what is in his DNA. However, IA seems to store through Brain alterations and that i can see matt changing.

Now, IA is a touchy subject, we know that IA aquired gifts are based mentally as the Shanti virus erased them and the shanti virus was Stated as a nervous system attacking virus. The after affects and damage to his nervous system resulted in the loss of all his IA aquired gifts and left only his Empathic aquired gifts.

So seeing as it has been shown that Telepaths can and do damage the brain, its possible for all of Sythan's IA aquired gifts to be erased.

The only problem being we have never seen a truly erased memory on the show. They've been blocked and buried, but never erased.

Because, if they had been erased, a healer (either regen or Hiro's mother) would be unable to recover them.

Matt continues to surprise so who knows what his max potential is

Apologies if this needs to be moved, but I wasn't sure where else to post it. ANd the other threads don't seem to fit the topic.

Matt Parkman erased Sylar supposedly, but as we saw during the preview clip for Volume 5, Sylar!Nathan fixed that clock.

Matt Parkman erased everything that was Sylar ("Sylar is dead"), but he forgot about Gabriel Gray and subsequently the Intuitive Aptitude that Gabriel Gray, not Sylar, manifested.

Pretty sure he said Gabriel Gray also.

Yeah, he did. Dammit. It was breif mention, that's why I forgot.

*sighs as the gaping hole is poked through his theory*

Well, Matt said Sylar was dead, but he never said Gabriel Gray was dead.

I don't get why everyone thinks Sylar's memories were erased. I don't think Matt has the ability to erase memories. However, he can plant suggestions and ideas in peoples mind. He planted the idea in Sylar's mind that Sylar is dead, and he is Nathan. At best, the memories are suppressed, but by no means erased.

Ok, let's assume that Matt really did erase Sylar's memories. I tend to disagree, but that's for later on in the post.
We know Sylar needs to look at his victims' brains to see how their abilities work in order for him to be able to use that ability. If he has no memorie of the examination this would mean that he can no longer use these powers. I.e:
he would no longer have Claire's ability or the others. Except his original ability IA and the ones he gained through his emotional connection: TK and Elle's power.

While this would effectively (and from a writer's POV, efficiently) tone down sylar's powers, I think this unlikely.
We know for a fact that ZQ is coming back in S4: without memories of himself (either of Gabriel or Sylar), without the shapeshifting power, there would be no reason to have ZQ on the show (no need to stone me, I think he's a fine actor,I'm talking purely from a storytelling perspective here).

The writers have said somewhere that Claire and Sylar will come to an understanding of their situation. Now they could have been referring to the exchange between them in An Invisible Thread, but I doubt it. I do not think Claire accepted his view of the future (who would blame her).So no understanding to speak of. Their situation would imply that Sylar still has claire's ability at some point in S4. This makes the theory in paragraph 1, unlikely.

Here's what I think Matt probably did (against better judgement I might add).

Matt is a telepath, it is therefore more likely that he will have used an illusion within the mind, a more powerful version of what his father did and what he tried to do with Daphne when she was on her deathbed.
Yes, you can see where I am going with this. Matt was able to break out of his father's illusion, but Matt is a powerful telepath, so I'll let that one slide.
MORE IMPORTANTLY
Daphne was able to determine that she was in an illusion, using simple logic and her knowledge of Matt's power.
Sylar/Nathan has Nathan' s memories (or at least access to them), he'll know about Matt's power. He looks like Nathan but it is Sylar's body and brain in there. Whatever your opinion on Sylar, he was a clever sociopath. Combining this intellect with his original ability and the hunger that is bound to flare up at some point, leads me to believe that Sylar will be able to discover that something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Moreover, there is no indication as to what Matt's range is. Will his influence wear off when he's in another city, another building? It might be a bit difficult to explain why Matt is always there. Even as a bodyguard, Sylar/Gabriel is bound to pick up on his ability.

So , in conclusion, I think Sylar still has his memories, and at some point he will emerge. Rightly so BTW, I've always felt that people were quick to condemn Sylar and gloss over Angela's, HRG's, Arthur's and Nathan's actions.

Last I checked, coming to an understanding had nothing to do with accepting.

I think I know how you feel Synch,

I too find myself feeling much like Ralphie in that movie A Christmas Story where he's finally deciphered the Little Orphan Annie secret message only to find it reads "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine".

It's somewhat ironic that the next episode is titled "Redemption", because IMO the writers have really got to redeem themselves if they don't want to lose a huge portion of their fans.

In other words, you know nothing about how I feel. I've made it abundantly clear not only that this season was, overall, awesome but that Fuller has made great strides in making the show better than it ever was. Also, I absolutely loved the finale.

My comment was entirely aimed at the poster above me.

But I do agree that the season was great, I just think they need to redeem themselves in explaining to us how this is all going to play out.

Understanding on its own means comprehending. That I would say yes to. She may not agree with his offer to become his first lady (which was kinda funny BTW), but she knows on some level that he's partly right and that Sylar will alwyas be there.

Coming to an understanding means settling a deal,no? It might be begrudgingly, but at least there is an element of acceptance there. My point was that Claire may know that Sylar has a point, she's not ready, nor willing to accept the future he was projecting.


In conclusion,they didn't come to an understanding.

Am I going loopy, or is this because English isn't my first language and I take dictionary definitions to literal?

Um... Because they have Matt, plus there is a way for him to return anyway. He can just heal his mind with regenerative, like Peter did.

Hmm, your post just reminded me of a power they haven't introduced, the power to replicate, or clone yourself into doubles, or multiples.


Well, the way it was explained was the brain tissues become damaged, when they heal/regenerate those tissues, your memories return. So I do think they erase them, but I think they just damage brain tissues which hold those memories. So with healing/regeneration those tissues can be healed, and therefore restored memory.

We all know - in season 4 he will rembember eveything...

I concur that he will, but to what degree and how long will it take?
What will be Sylar's response to what was done to him?

Sylar is not the only character I'm interested in following.
Why did HRG and Angela begin The Company again by lying?
I expect Matt to mentally fall apart because of what he did.
Peter and Claire will be mad as hornets when they realize what happened, but how will they fix it (and feel about it).

I so want season 4 to begin...

Maybe I am the one, who's mistaken, but I think most people are misreading this scene. This was IA kicking in, not the Sylar personality. That's why Nathan was so puzzled about the clock.

I think the scene was shaped out in a way implying that Matt erased these memories, cause of all the Sylar related images fading away into light. Maybe it works like deleting data on your hard disc - it's still possible to restore it for some time.

Do you think it's a stretch to assume that if Sythan regains IA, the memories will follow? I agree with your interpretation that it's IA, and that "Nathan" isn't aware of what's the matter with him, but to me, it seems like a hint that he's about to regain his memories over time, too.

Maybe Sylar won't get his memories back through healing. Maybe he will put on the shoes Nathan died in and will remember being killed. That will drive him to find objects Sylar may have handled to get Sylar's memories back. He won't be able to get rid of Nathan's memories though. At that point he will be a true dual personality with the ability to shapeshift back and forth between the two. Maybe his Nathan memories won't let him harm Peter.

hey everyone I'm new to the forums just sayin hi! that's an interesting theory Renrut. This probably will never happen, but it would be cool if somehow Hiro gets his time traveling abilities back and can go back in the past to save Nathan before Sylar kills him. I doubt it will happen though because I think I read somewhere that the writers were leaving Hiro's time traveling abilities out of the future seasons because it gets too confusing for viewers with him jumping around all over the place. I think he will just regain his teleportation. Anyway just a thought that would be sick! lol

Exactly. Gray used IA for years without realizing it. Once he knew what was going on, Sylar came into existence.

'Nathan" isn't going to need that learning curve. He has flight and that's it. When other stuff starts happening, it isn't going to be long before he figures it out.

Well, I think that using time travel to save Nathan would be a good idea, however, they would have to do it after his death, since his death is really what allowed Peter to take Sylar down. (Butterfly Effect, and whatnot - don't change past events.) What they should do is have Hiro and Peter go back with a syringe of Claire's blood and have Peter use shapeshifting (if he decides to keep it for a while) to take on the form of Matt to inject Nathan with Claire's blood. In this way, "Matt" saves Nathan, and Angela's dream becomes a reality. But, they can't have two Nathan's running around, and since when Peter finds out about Nathan/Sylar, it will be at most 8 to 9 weeks later, they just have the real Nathan skip those weeks and come back with them.The only way this will work is if Hiro's power is fixed, which it supposedly will be, but you never know.