ZePete
May 14 2009, 03:34 PM
So we all know that Nathan dies in the last episode, but I am not sure why? We all know that he doesn't have to, he can be revived with Claire's blood, right? I mean they healed him with Adam's blood once and they brought back Noah with Claire's blood why couldn't have they done the same with Nathan. I always loved Nathan's character so sure of what he's doing and not seeing that he goes sometimes to extremes but he was a good guy even when he made mistakes I don't think he should be killed like this. I would except his death if only Bennet wasn't in the room when Parkman hypnotized Sylar because then Angela maybe wouldn't know about the wondrous healing effect that Claire's blood have, but he was in a room. He knew, the only explanation now would be that he wants Sylar out of the picture so bad that he remained silenced about this fact. Because Sylar's "death spot" has moved and is now impossible to find. But even if that was the case I am certain that mamma Petrelli would have figured how to save her son. Maybe writers are trying to make a big twist out of this in the next volume, I mean thay ought to, they ought to redeem themselves, hence the name of volume 5: Redemption

. In any case I sure hope that they saved Nathans body in a freezer of some sort so that he can be brought back to life otherwise there will be a storm of troubles for Angela and Bennet since the lied about Nathan. And I know this is all fitting very nicely with the story about the future from the season 1 when we found out that Sylar is Nathan but that future is changed and I think they really made a mistake with this one. And I know what a lot of you are going to say, well if they bring Nathan to life there will be no more drama because everyone who dies could be brought back and that would kill the suspense and I agree, but then they should have thought of that before they brought Bennet to life in season 2. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I missed something. Maybe Sylar did something unexpected when he examined Claire's brain and took this ability or maybe when Hiro changed the past and took the catalyst instead of Claire, but that doesn't make any sense because firstly Claire is still invincible the only thing that was different after Sylar got her ability was that she couldn't feel the pain anymore, but I think that washed off with the eclipse so no changes there and secondly Adam Monroe also had healing blood and he didn't have the catalyst in him so I guess that's not it either. Anyways I hope they'll bring Nathan somehow in the next season and that there will be a big twist of some sort.
LittleDragonZ
May 15 2009, 02:43 AM
Well I'm just glad they never killed Peter or Hiro, my two favorites lol.
Yeah they might have done something to Nathan's body, and who knows perhaps Hiro can go back and save him? Heroes is about twists anyway. Thought it would be nice to see it happening since I'm a bit uncomfortable with Sylar being Nathan. It really was unexpected to me and just feels... weird.
Also, am I right that Peter and Claire actually thought it was Sylar burning at the end?
RiddlerHanjinome
May 15 2009, 03:57 AM
Most people thought it was pretty obvious, whether they liked it or not: The majority of fans (or at least the loudest of the fans) hated the "magic" heal-all blood, so the writer's didn't resort to it.
ETA: Also, there are a couple topics about this already.
JentheFangirl
May 15 2009, 09:24 AM
QUOTE (RiddlerHanjinome @ May 15 2009, 04:57 AM)

Most people thought it was pretty obvious, whether they liked it or not: The majority of fans (or at least the loudest of the fans) hated the "magic" heal-all blood, so the writer's didn't resort to it.
True. But the fact that fans hated the magic healing blood doesn't mean that it stopped existing. Noah was the one who knew about it (presumably Angela, too), and yet he said nothing about it. It would have been a better way to let Nathan live than what they actually did.
ZePete
May 15 2009, 09:41 AM
My point exactly. The magic blood is still in the game, so there must be a hidden motive for the reactions of Noah and Angela. First thing that comes to mind is that Angela was maybe disappointed with Nathans efforts in politics and wanted a man in his position with stronger will, but her scream when she saw him dead was pretty real to me, and also Sylar is now an almost perfect copy of Nathan so with all his characteristics he also has all of his flaws. That don’t add up, so I think it is something else. Maybe they are planning to kill Sylar once and for all by making him believe that he is Nathan so that they could examine him unnoticed and find his “soft” spot. And when they are done with it they will execute him, bring Nathan back to life just as nothing happened. Still maybe the answer lies in the name of the volume 5? Redemption? If anybody has an idea write, because this all doesn’t add or we are not looking at the big picture. And we can always blame the writers for being forgetful of things from the past which they have done a couple f times already, like when Sylar struggled to hear what Noah was talking with the worm-hole-guy when we all knew he had a super hearing ability, right? Anyways something’s fishy and I can’t wait for the next season!
Synch
May 15 2009, 09:51 AM
Actually, the fact that the fans hate it and that it is a crutch they could rely on too heavily mean it's not in the game. It's off the table. No writer will even look at it twice.
There's a reason Claire wasn't in the room. Whatever she was doing in-canon, the writers did it to keep her blood from being used.
JentheFangirl
May 15 2009, 10:27 AM
QUOTE (Synch @ May 15 2009, 10:51 AM)

Actually, the fact that the fans hate it and that it is a crutch they could rely on too heavily mean it's not in the game. It's off the table. No writer will even look at it twice.
There's a reason Claire wasn't in the room. Whatever she was doing in-canon, the writers did it to keep her blood from being used.
Except that is completely disregarding what is canon.

I can understand they want it off the table, but it isn't until they make it clear that it is off the table. All they needed was a line and then they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. What they resorted to is sloppy writing.
Hyperspace
May 15 2009, 10:49 AM
QUOTE (JentheFangirl @ May 15 2009, 01:27 PM)

Except that is completely disregarding what is canon.

I can understand they want it off the table, but it isn't until they make it clear that it is off the table. All they needed was a line and then they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. What they resorted to is sloppy writing.

I completely agree! All they needed was a line saying why claires blood would not work this time and poof plot whole gone. This also goes for Sylars shifting wardrobe. We spent the time to show us the other shapeshifters' clothing and tell us Sylar has to change clothes(no clothesmorph) then by the season final Sylar no longer needs to. Yeah, I know it was quicker that way and may have saved money but just give us a throw away line to explain it. I love this show but the writers to often try to hit the mark on the more complex issues but totally ignore the ones with the simple fixes.
Hyperspace
Synch
May 15 2009, 11:05 AM
Why use a line when the required character is nowhere around? Rewatch the scene. Claire dropped off the edge of the universe until the bonfire.
As far as the clothes thing..the shapeshifter became the janitor, complete with wardrobe. The only place it was implied Sylar couldn't morph clothing was in the BTE- which is never the final say. An interview never trumps canon.
ZePete
May 15 2009, 11:44 AM
I just want to say that the reason why Claire was not in the room was because Noah sent her and Peter away so that Parkman could finish the transport of the minds between Nathan and Sylar, so that is of the table. And of course the effect of the blood can be achieved after certain time as we know, because Noah was also dead for a while until he was revived.
yeslek
May 17 2009, 01:50 AM
has it not occured that maybe there is a time window from when someone dies to a regen's blood being effective?
It seemed Noah was rushed straight into the company and may not have been fully dead, only dying and so maybe thats why claires blood worked? Nathan was 100% dead, and who knows if he was left in the room mins or even a good hour or so.
just a thought
Hyperspace
May 17 2009, 06:28 AM
QUOTE (yeslek @ May 17 2009, 04:50 AM)

has it not occured that maybe there is a time window from when someone dies to a regen's blood being effective?
It seemed Noah was rushed straight into the company and may not have been fully dead, only dying and so maybe thats why claires blood worked? Nathan was 100% dead, and who knows if he was left in the room mins or even a good hour or so.
just a thought
That's the sad thing is all we can do is speculate. We need a line to the effect of why that wasn't even an option. I mean you could be right on the nose, but I would have liked for HRG to say"What a minute, Angela we need to get some of claires blood. We can fix this!" then Mrs Petrelli says," No!, it won't work, he's been dead to long. My dream says Mr Parkman saves Nathan and that is the only option we have." Or something like that.
Hyperspace
ZePete
May 17 2009, 11:12 AM
That is an interesting thought. But as Hyperspace already explained we need a line to prove that. Still Noah looked pretty dead to me when he was in the company waiting for the blood. Or maybe it is just me. And the other thing they say Claire and Sylar have a certain weak spot in their bodies, that when penetrated causes them to die. I think they should clarify that because both Claire and Sylar were stabbed in the back of their heads but they regained life when the object was removed, so actually they weren’t dead just hibernated, I guess. But still if they were dead, and we know Claire was dead for a long period when they did an autopsy on her in the volume 1, and as soon the object was removed she was resurrected, that would mean, again it is a speculation, that the blood then came to the effect and revived her, so it wouldn’t matter how long she was dead, as long as there was blood in her that could restart the organs, so I guess by that presumption the only humans who could not be revived would be a really, really dead corpses that have no living tissue or cells or what ever that is sort of fresh. It still remains a mystery and I hope the writers will clarify that in the next season.
Cheers mates
adriannn
Aug 24 2009, 01:05 AM
As many of you said , this is an interesting topic. In my opinion , it is a clear fact that Angella does not want to see her son , Nathan , dead. So , she uses Matt Parkman to introduce Nathan's memories into Sylar's mind without knowing that at one time he would remember who he really is. In fact , i saw the trailer for season 4 and it's happening like i said.
One more time , Angella and Bennet are lying Peter and Claire and the rest of the world pretending that Nathan is not Sylar.
As ZePete says , the creators of the film could have revive the real Nathan with Claire's blood! Why didn't they do that? I think that they want to make it more interesting !
FinalJudgement
Sep 16 2009, 09:06 PM
I don't understand it either.
I think his death was in some way pathetic. His throat was slit and... that was it? Seriously?
Very disappointing. And the 'solution' with transfering Nathan's 'soul' into Sylar's body was the worst idea of all.
They could manage to lead it in an interesting direction, like Nathan and Sylar struggling to gain control of this one body they 'share'. That would be good. But I think they will mess it up... lol
Personally I hate the fact he died (again..) because he's my favourite character. I'm not like "Aaah, don't kill any maincharacters!", hell no, but I think it really really shouldn't be him. Especially after all the Petrelli relationships getting better again.
Claire and Peter will be so mad at Sylar... And Angela. lol
wolfbro
Sep 16 2009, 09:20 PM
QUOTE (RiddlerHanjinome @ May 15 2009, 06:57 AM)

ETA: Also, there are a couple topics about this already.
Uhmm, yeah. Searching is good.
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