I was going to put this in the 3rd Season character discussion but then I/we wouldn't be able to post what or discuss the various Spoilers that bare directly on this topic thread.

Somewhere I read, probably in CBR with Aron & Joe that we will be seeing Luke again at some point.

My guess is if there is this Carnival of traveling "out" Specials, Luke is very likely to be among those who would find his way to joining them. (The Carnival is mentioned here http://heroeswiki.com/Spoiler:Heroes and in the casting descriptions for various new characters.)

While Sylar told Luke to go home to his mother, given what transpired it would be difficult for Luke to think Mary would accept him.

Also there is still the government hunting Specials and if he went home, they were likely to re-capture him.

Possibly Luke does attempt to contact his mother in some covert way. However given that Luke used his power to kill the agent attempting to rescue them and Mary's reaction, akin to fear and disgust, acceptance would be hard to come by. Any attempted reconciliation by Luke might have him being thrown out of the house or simply rejected during a phone call.

So what do you think happened to Luke? Did he go home? Or did he stay on the road having adventures of his own? Will we find him among the other Specials in the Carnival?

I don't know and I don't really care. He was just a useless character like Maya and had no real storyline in the plot. The writers simply said to check the GNs if your still interested, but he isn't there yet. Regardless, let's forget about him and move on

Wrong about the storyline. Luke's story helped advanced Sylar's and included a shading of Sylar. It also showed how individuals are being hunted, whether or not their criminals. It also showed us on some level, Sylar wants to be a Hero. As Tim Kring has always said. It showed us he is capable of bonding with someone other than Elle, if only briefly. Like Micah.

Also Luke is the first seriously troubled Special teen we've seen in "Heroes" and many are interested in how he turns out.

So what do you think happened to Luke? Did he go home? Or did he stay on the road having adventures of his own? Will we find him among the other Specials in the Carnival?

I'd like to add a fourth question there:

4) Do we really even care about what happened to Luke?

He got annoying after the first episode he was in with Sylar and I hope that they don't bring him back. Ergo, no, I don't really care if he decided to join Carnival, got caught by the Company, or joined an underwater basket-weaving club.

He seems the type to join something like Carnival, but eh . . . I wasn't invested in his character, so I couldn't care less what happens to him, if anything.

I thought Luke was annoying. I don't get why he's such a fan favorite.

The best parts of the Sylar/Luke scenes were Sylar telling Luke to STFU before he scalps him.

Luke is a fan favourite?

That's news to me. I thought he was awful and smug and annoying and really wish they'd ditch him completely in favour of another fresh new character instead.

Or failing that, I wouldn't mind seeing Danko again.

I second the Danko love. Get rid of Luke and bring Danko back. Zeljko Ivanek > whoever the hell played Luke.

Well, you did answer my initial questions. Thank you.

I believe I've heard Danko is coming back.

I maybe in the minority, but I want to see what comes of a troubled teen who has powers and whether or not he is able to redeem himself.

I didn't find Luke "annoying" at all. A kid with a difficult life is not allowed to complain about it?

Complaining is mostly all I've heard here. If you don't like Luke, you don't have to talk about him. But you're also free to complain about him.

I would like to know what you found annoying about him? Smug. Okay. Not a biggie for me.

But Luke I would say he is more "real" than most of the teens we've seen. More of the average sullen and troubled teen.

I also thought he showed real heart, risking his own life by giving Sylar his father's address after Sylar told Luke why it was so important for him.

^^ Well going by this thread, you clearly are in the minority. And how exactly is people saying that they either don't care about him or saying he's annoying "complaining"? If it were complaining, I'd have thought it would have been more heated as the trend seems to be on 9th. Apathetic would be a more apt word to describe the feeling towards Luke for the most part.

There's a difference between complaining and BAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWing. Luke was doing the latter.

His voice, his attitude, his mannerisms.

Teenage kid who hates his parents? Check.

Has problems with authority? Check.

Thinks that he knows everything? Check.

For the first time in 9th Wonders history, I agree with bwm27.

Yes, this is why so many people love Clair's story.

I lived through high school, didn't watch or read Twilight and don't like Jonas Bros. I'm 37 and watching an "average sullen a-hole" teen is not high on my list of things to do. The aqua-boy comic store kid was more interesting than Luke, at least to me.

He thought, like a typical teenager, that he knew more than he actually did know. And like a typical teen in that situation, he's lucky to have survived his ignorance of an extremely dangerous situation.

While I think it is likely that he'll be back, I found Luke very annoying as well. And I like to say having not to long ago been a teen myself I don't think that being sullen makes them any more "real" just sullen. There is nothing about Luke that has been able to entice to respect him. Because that I don't even any feel true pity for him; disgust for the situation, yes. Pity not so much.
As cool of a villain as Danko was, I don't think he is coming back. Because if the tranquilizer really was enough to knock an elephant then there is a pretty good chance that he is dead(overdose and all that).

Did I mention, I also like Clair



I thought he brought a level of reality we hadn't seen before.



Yes, but he also showed bravery in defending his mother and a certain insight, cunning, wileyness when dealing with Sylar.

And of course, Luke escaped with his life after befriending a super dangerous person but the road trip with them gave us even more insight into Sylar

It also gave insight into a boy so desperate for brotherly companionship from someone he can identify with, he runs off with a serial killer.



Because "complaining" is expressing "grief, pain or discontent" at least according to Merriam Webster. Calling Luke annoying is as much a complaint as Luke's.

I find it kind of fascinating that so many people showed up to complain of Luke, when you simply could have ignored the topic.

Luke like Maya, has engendered a lot of vehemence.

But most of you liked Danko. He's a character I have no particular sympathy for. However Danko's single mindedness to hunt down Specials and his fear of them, he does engender conflict and interesting drama around him.

I do want to know what happened to him and where he's being held or if he's free on his own somehow. Obviously the actor is wonderful.

And maybe it should be a separate thread. I'm curious, Danko, the aquaLad and what other characters--main or supporting who you most liked and would want to see again?

Mine are: Doyle, Samson Gray, Monica (if she survives the GNs), Micah, Maya (sorry, like her, too), Virginia Gray (in flash backs), and of course Claude.

Was this before or after he said that he pretty much hated her and never loved her anyways?

It's a public forum. People are allowed to go wherever they want to voice their discontent. There are probably people on this board who liked Luke who aren't saying anything.

As far as vehemence goes, I really don't care enough about his character to feel even remotely vehement.

For supporting characters, I'd really like to see Doyle again. Oh, I have so much Doyle love. David H. Lawrence is from my city! (Okay, so he's from Cleveland, and I live in Lakewood right on the border). I'd also like to see more Flint (what? I like big dumb male characters) and Monica.

This is exactly what I believe were expressing towards Luke. When we first met him, I was interested because he seemed like a new character to bring in to the show and the show even gave him and his mother their names and locations as if they would be new. Once the trip came to an end, I saw that there was no real storyline for Luke and he was pretty much of an annoyance to the story. I was glad to see him leave. If only the writers had come up with a better plot for him, I'd give him a more better chance; they didn't, so I'm glad he's gone and I hope he does not return.

Wow Why is everyone so harsh on luke? I mean I'm not a huge fan but certainly he was far better than Alex and his breathing underwater power, or that random black hole powered dude or so many others from S3 including Maya.
His powers are cool enough to make him a regular guest star. His attitude was a bit annoying but he is supposed to be that way. I mean he is a troubled teenager and HE NEVER complained about his powers. He complained about his life which annoyed me A LOT but once he was on the road trip with Sylar he wasnt that bad. He never regreted having powers, which is something we havent seen in the show for a while.

We have never seen a character using his/her powers just for fun, in a relaxed way, care-free. Luke totally fits that description. They could easily made him someone using his powers for his own advancement instead of a b-itchy teenager. The background history and the whole "I hate my mom" story was a little too cliche. But otherwise he was by far a more memorable character that many others introduce in Season 3.

Yes we have. Monica was all about appreciating what had suddenly appeared in her life and unlike Luke, didn't express her ability in a fun, care-free and relaxed way by melting agents to death in her living room.

One of my problems with Luke boils down to the actor. I had never seen anything with Dan Byrd prior to his role as Luke, and after barely forcing myself through his god-awful excuse for acting, I don't want to.

The character had an interesting premise, and if cast better, I might have liked him more. Then again, some interaction with a regular (or even recurring) aside from Sylar could have been nice. Sylar was getting on-and-off tiring to me.

I started out liking luke, but they really seemed too desperate to make him emo. I was hoping Sylar was gonna take an apprentice or somthing, but no, he just wanted an emo roadtrip friend. He had the potential to be a great character, but like so many, his potential was squandered.

Luke was...alright, I guess.

I'll admit, I didn't like him during his episodes, but when I was under the impression I wouldn't see him again, I didn't mind him.

Something about the way he talked irked me. I don't mind smugness, but his was...too much? He acted like he knew how everything would turn out, and when it didn't go as he expected(believing Sylar was actually going to kill him), he turned whiny. I can understand being scared of getting your head sliced open, but he didn't seem to mind when Sylar told him about it, and he liked to act tough, I guess he just seemed like a punk in that instant.

I have to say, though, I thought Luke was going to get killed by Sylar a lot of times. So,um, a tip of the hat to his luck.

I agree with Begemot Geroi, Luke does seem like the type of person who would join a/the Carnival.

I'm beginning to think that they were just throwing 'life lessons' at Sylar there for a while in the form of disposable characters.

I, like I'm sure everyone else, kept expecting Sylar to drop that kid into a hole somewhere after about ten minutes of listening to him. Did he really need to keep him alive to get the information from him? Are we supposed to assume even Sylar wouldn't hurt a kid? Was it supposed to be some sort of male bonding thing for Sylar? I can't imagine Sylar putting up with that crap for any reason. And he really didn't have that much of a reason. Sylar is a serial killer who kills people just because he wants what they have. And this kid had something he wanted. He could have tortured that kid for the info...and then took his power for kicks.

Oh, but I forgot, we're turning Sylar into a good guy, sort of, maybe...no never mind...wait, just kidding..

I wish they'd make up their minds.

This is false. Did you miss "An Invisible Thread"?

You took my statement out of context.

Also there is still the government hunting Specials and if he went home (refering to Luke), they were likely to re-capture him.


I was referring to the time after Luke parted ways with Sylar. Events involving Luke with the Carnival could happen either during or before "An Invisible Thread".
And even after. It can take a while to shut down a government program.

Not to mention Danko is somewhere around and still is frightened of Specials. We don't know if Nathan/Sylar set him free or is keeping him imprisoned.

Since HRG is in charge, I'm inclined to think he would just fire him & send him on his way.

I think you captured what irked people about Luke with one word--Punk. He acted like a common little punk who acts big & bad until he's faced with death himself.

Still the boy's desperate desire for a father figure touches me.

Its sad because Luke's just the type who in reality gets played by far more calculating type of thug. The drug kingpin who seduces kids into becoming dealers.

Luke didn't say he hated his mother. He said his mother hated him & Sylar comfirmed that--if you care to believe him.



Someone--not you, BG--said they were expressing "Apathy." Apathy is passive and doesn't move people to action but inaction. Certainly people who like Luke may not want to get into a scrum over him or bother to post.

But I was struck by the out pouring. I was expecting a post of like--one. So I'm really surprised.

If people don't care about a subject they generally don't post about it. But clearly enough people were annoyed by Luke they felt the need to vent it.



I like Doyle, too. Monica, also. Would love her to be in "St. Joan" attire. The only "Costumed" hero in "Heroes." I think it would be fun.

If Flint survived Pinehearst, Meredith would have had to survive Primatech.

I don't care who they bring back from the dead. Its done on "Buffy" and other shows, like "Lost". They just have to give a more convincing context for it to happen.



I think Luke killing the agent was more of an accident, he didn't know how to control his power. He was trying to stop the agent from killing Sylar.

And if this was the agent's story & not Sylar's & Luke's I would probably have rooted for him.

However, I have to say on the whole I have no sympathy for the agents--except Rachel.

This is probably should be in a separate thread, but what the hell:

When Sylar brought them down in "A Clear & Present Danger" I was rooting for Sylar. The power of government was suddenly made so odious & threatening I was rooting for the serial killer to wipe out the Danko's agents.

For the most part the hunted Specials are ordinary citizens not "Villains" like Sylar or Doyle. The agents are hunting down & imprisoning innocent people who've done nothing.

This is taking what the hunting & inhuman tactics of the Company and elevating it to the awesome power of the US government. Like rounding up the Japanese during WWII and imprisoning them. You don't get away with the Nuremberg defense..."I was only following orders."

Freedom and Democracy incur risk.

BTW, the reason there are separate posts is because the editor for the thread keeps losing what I've typed and posts have gone missing.

So...

Not necessarily if the building fell on her and crushed her... Then she would be dead.

Touche.

The same for Flint

Below is one of the posts I initially replied to that got lost.



Sylar being just a powered hungry Land Shark would be dull if consistent with S1 & some of S2. Over time most characters have some changes take place or they become cardboard cut outs. In Sylar's case: "Send in the Power Hungry Land Shark & get rid of this new character". I can't tell you the number of posts there were complaining about that very fact.

Look at the changes Ben has gone through in "Lost", we find out over time who he really is.

The problem "Heroes" had is they failed to give convincing, easily understandable context to their audience about Sylar's changes. It was too quick & also not convincing. Only a Geek like me is going to waste time pondering what they're up to. I'm referring to the "Villains" arc, not to "Fugitives" which I think was much smoother.

Sylar is like an addict or alcholic who is able to quit for a time than falls off the wagon or a schizophrenic who has moments of lucidity.

Sylar kept Luke with him & rescued him because he identified with him. The same with Micah.

You are right, however, in noting how the incidental characters too easily seem to only exist for the "main" characters which is unlike S1.

But you have to remember Tim Kring thought he was always going to be changing casts, not realizing that people would demand to see the characters they had come to know in S1 who had developed a fan base.

Moving this topic from Spoilers. There is enough of a debate lacking any real spoilers.

Okay.

Luke is possibly one of the best characters introduced into Heroes after season one.

Why most of you can see that is beyond me.

I am the same age as Luke and I can tell you, he is not the typical teenager at all. He's living alone with his mother, who he hates and she thinks he is a freak, he was abused by his father, he has a dangerous power and is a friend of a serial killer. Let alone when he actually meets Sylar he actually kills someone and has displayed knowledge of using his power to torture people. Not the typical teen some of you are making him out to be.

And as for people not believing he has an important role in Heroes, has anyone considered that because of his affection for Sylar in Season 3, that he might want to investigate where he is, thus helping Sylar to fight off Nathan somehow in season 4?

This character has connections and an intriguing history and why did Sylar sympathize with Luke? Perhaps he saw himself in Luke? And perhaps that signifies that Luke could have a very interesting future...

You made me smile. I'm so glad you came to add to our conversation and give your perspective. The points you bring out are what separates Luke from a "typical teen".

Some of the emotional traits of a typical teen--as expressed by Luke--is what some seem to find bothersome. As if we all don't at some point gripe about our circumstances. And as if we don't act, from time to time, as if we know more than we do.

Luke fell in with a dangerous, possibly mad person. That also often happens to us in our teens. Be it drugs, alcohol, sex, crime, violence. Testing the society's limits, getting burned and escaping by the skin of our teeth is also part of a teen growing up & learning.

Yet Luke brought something human out in Sylar. Remember how in the coffee shop Sylar begins to mentor him. Sylar also brings up how he and Luke may be connected in that, Luke, a Special, "just happens" to be a living half a block from another Special--his father-- is just too much of coincidence to be a coincidence. Implying a relationship possibly between Mary & Samson. Or Sylar recognizing the unseen hand of the Company in it.

Luke was pressing his luck in his manipulation of Sylar. That he got away with it for so long with Sylar was very telling about Sylar and how lonely he must be.

One of the reasons I suspect Luke may be found at this Carnival is because of the charismatic character of Samuel who would welcome a new young acolyte such as Luke and be the father figure he aches for.

Perhaps Sylar rescues Luke from the Carnival?

Fixed.

QFT sir.

Done.