I loved how they set up that she could be the killer, just to snatch it away with a bigger surprise. That she now knows Claire's ability.

I am still not sure she isn't the killer.

actually with the trailer it showed her looking down at claire on the ground... i actually thought she would do the same to claire only to see claire stand up from it.

Great sequence of events they put together so far. Im still guessing there is more to the suicide then what they've said. Random death in the first episode = fishy

Watch the promo for next week's episode, Samuel tells someone to keep isolating Claire and lead her to the carnival. The obvious guess would be Gretchen, but I just don't see it being that obvious.

Keep in mind the whole suicide note as well. It is all very odd.

I think you are right on target

Try to not rely to heavily on the previews guys. We aren't really supposed to be talking about them as some people don't like to watch them. If you want to bring them in perhaps just spoiler tag the specific references to the preview clips?

actually the previews sometimes are just as good as any of our guesses cause sometimes the parts are deleted scenes to throw us off anyways.. even tho i agree not to use them unless spoiler tagged.

i was just thinking, with the suicide note, i wonder if it was on the pillow before claire was there. I mean i highly doubt it but it would be funny if she was just wrong and it was just a sucicide that meant nothing to the show. (other than claire having one of the most tragic lives ever)

To be honest a person that wants to suicide won't leave a note in the first place cause in the most cases they just do it at a moment where no thinking is involved at all anymore.

Secondly, I'm kinda sure that either Gretchen was involved on the "push" or someone else was sent to do the job while Gretchen were keeping claire busy and out of the room so the "happening" can take place.

We only need to watch Annies wall with future plans and we already know that she definately wouldn't do such a thing to herself.

True cause then she could isolate claire.

Lots of people seem to assume this but it seems to be a very questionable assumption to make. Annie was friendless, desperate to prove her value, completely obsessive about her education and future. These don't appear to be qualities of someone in great mental health.

I think that someone killed her. Claire said she distinctly remembered not seeing a note. However I do think that Annie could be capable of killing herself if something were to stop her from achieving her life plan (or at least that she thinks would stop it). But nothing was shown in the episode that her plans were ruined. The only thing I could think of is if she failed that math test but during it she said it was really easy. But let's say she did fail it for whatever reason. I still don't think that would be enough to make her think her life was ruined. She could try to take it again later as HRG pointed out.

Same here. She wanted to be Claire from the Odessa Masacre's friend a little too much, methinks.

People who want to die don't usually invest so much time in their future, as they often to not envision themselves having one. Now, had any not gotten into that math class, I could see it as some sparking incident that set into motion some incident of self harming and madness. It would be a stretch but yeah, she goes come off as manic and desperate.

But given all of the other clues I think it is pretty clear she didn't kill herself.

Also, this is the reason at least all of the dorms at my school have safety windows XD





Yeah exactly. She is way to up on the fact that Claire had an "in" with a tragic murder.

I think Gretchen is kinda obsessed with Claire...

Gretchen's definitely "shady"

a lot of focus on her in this episode... and she kept dropping "hints" such as, "i must be getting better every second" (this was during Guitar Hero scene... playing "Superstitious" by Stevie Wonder)

It could still be her, but if it was... well, it would be a little obvious, wouldn't it?
Besides, Claire appeared to be hanging with her at the party considering she didn't know anyone else. Implying that she would've noticed if Gretchen had mysteriously disappeared, and instead probably left the same time as her. And, of course, there's the thing about Claire's little test. Annie probably didn't get pushed, unless it was in a weird way.

Good point. Maybe someone with a similar power as Matt Parkman mind-controlled her to jump off the window.

Maybe your sig had something to do with it?

Jk, haha.

Idk. I sorta kinda see how the whole "suicide" thing worked. Like the WAY she fell, point of impact. But if she was pushed in the same manner that Claire showed us by falling in, it would have basically the same result. However, the only thing I can think of that counters the murder thing is the way the dead body laid. In the case of being pushed, human nature is to protect itself. Therefore, someone that was pushed would make attempts to protect themself by moving in ways that would protect the most important part of the body: head, neck, and back.

Idk, just speculating.

I never thought Gretchen was involved, to be perfectly honest about it. Something about that assumption just seems off to me.

I do, however, think she's involved with the Carnival.

I think she has ulterior motives. IDK Whether she killed Annie or not but that girl definitely has SOMETHING she is hiding.

Maybe Annie had delusions of grandeur, thought she was superhuman, thought she could fly or fall five storeys without being harmed...

I'm not too sure who killed Annie. I think it was murder. Don't ask why cause I dunno.

But so far the isolate Claire plan has officially flown. Claire's roomie dies in the first week of her college experience and now Claire has a room all to herself. Providing Gretchen doesn't move in that is.

The actress who plays Gretchen is pretty borderline looks wise for being in the mass media. This ain't Ugly Betty, normal tv rules apply, and therefore she's a bad guy. I don't think she killed the roommate, the way they highlighted just how obsessed and uptight the suicide was beforehand was pretty obvious foreshadowing to me that it would turn out she really did kill herself. People in RL take on too much ambition and responsibility, snap suddenly, and take the equivalant of a flying leap out of a window all the time.
Gretchen probably went to that college on a carnie scholarship to either look for people with abilities for recruiting purposes, or to look for Claire specifically. And I'll say I'm fifty/fifty on whether it's voluntary...even if it is, I suppose there could be "redemption" in the cards for her as well, at some point.

I think Annie was an example of obsessive compulsive disorder with a type A personality, but mixed with just a tad of schizophrenia.

I don't think Gretchen has killed her, or even that she's special in any way. A new Zach I'd say! Also, I like her, I think she's kinda cool! Except that she sucks at Guitar Hero! LOL (ok, so does I, whatever! )

Maybe I'm totally wrong, it's just the impression I got from her. Nothing special, no close-up on her eyes as if she was hiding something, no impression of malice or evilness, no evil smile... Of course, they might try to hide it as perfectly as possible that she has some sort of bad secret but, for now, I don't feel like it!

By the way (I don't know if it's a spoiler, I don't think it is, but just in case, SPOILER TAG): On heroeswiki.com, they do say that Gretchen's Residence is ''Claire's Dorm''. I guess they just didn't made it as clear as they could during those episodes...

Gretchen is so freaking SHADY. She is so trying to get into Claires life. She just happens to talk to claire, happens to be from Texas and happens to know who claire is. She put the Jump/Push/Fall thing in Claires head so Claire would test it and she could just happen to be there.

When I was in college if your roomie killed themselves you basically got an out for the semester. Being the first day I guess that wouldnt apply but at the least the would find you a new room.

And now Claire needs a new roomy, bet Gretchen offers. Thats why she had to die.l

Also, How did Gretchen know so much about the girl. She knew she has a "trajectory" and all.

What I would like to know is how Gretchen got into Claire's dorm room. You would think she would have locked her door before going to bed.

I like the way you think. :-D

Gretchen is definately on the creepy side, like West was. Anyone that suggests they steal a cadavar to throw out a window definately is not right in the decision making department or has no repect for their fellow man. I think she is in some way responsible for Annie's death, either by being a super (power of suggestion-"Annie, nobody likes you, jump out the window", telekinesis- by dropping her out the window, illusion- making Annie think the windows were the door to the bathroom or hall or something"), or just by being a mundane insane-"you'll never hog guitar hero again!!"

Umm..using a cadaver for a scientific test (which, technically, that would be) is lacking respect for your fellow humans? I'm sorry...once someone's dead, that pile of bone and tissue is just an empty meat suit.

I agree. She is involved with the Carnival. I think Peter's EMT partner is as well.

I'm assuming she wanted to grab a donated medical cadaver to chuck out the window, and thats one thing I guess. The dead people volunteered for "experimentation" beforehand. If they were going to head to the local morgue and grab Grandma, thats another thing IMO. Just because someone's dead and gone forever doesn't mean you can't respect their memory. See: Achilles vs. Hector.

Gretchen comes off TOO odd for me. She very much comes off to me as someone with an ability. Evidence:

A) In what COULD be interpreted as a throwaway line, Gretchen said that she was getting better at Guitar Hero 3 (REALLY? 3?!) every second. If I were to REALLY look into that line, it could imply that perhaps she has intuitive aptitude, like Sylar...

Suicidal girl's suicide is still fishy. The randomly appearing note?! Apparently she jumped. But a power like persuasion, puppet mastery, or even body possession could be responsible for this. It's not like those are news to HEROES...

Therefore, I believe Gretchen COULD be an empathic mimic. Either that, or evil persuasive witch.

I would assume that if she was to test her theories by jumping out a window, she'd have left her door unlocked so she could get back in again.

Makes sense!

I think we are putting too much into the one sentence of Gretchens about GH cause claire also said she is getting better aswell. They both just had fun and obviously enjoyed it themselves(was a nice scene).

I like Gretchen so far cause she makes claires storyline more interesting this season.
I think they gave her a small touch of wests initial story that got dropped when the west character got changed last minute.

As I said before I also think that Gretchen probably is involved in the whole thing but after rewatching everything and the promo from the next episode, I think that she rather wasn't the one that killed annie.

Also because of her behaviour and her wanting to find the original killer.
Knowing claires name after what happened with jackie shouldn't be surprising if she lived near at all so I wouldn't say thats way too suspicious.

I'm kinda getting the feeling that she is rather forced(would make her look more innocent) to get claire to the carnival for some reason or that she is doing it for the carnival as her task(would make her look more evil).

I like her and the mistery surrounding her.