This will be a little easier when we can get some screen caps going, but for now...
It seems like Samuel (And his brother Joseph, who is now deceased) put together quite the little rogues gallery there. We know that Edgar (The knife wielder) has super speed, Lydia (The tattoo lady) can predict the future via artwork on her body, and the elderly man, who's name I cannot recall, can manipulate time.
Does anyone recall how many others there were exactly standing around? We have four account for.
Samuel - Geokinesis (earth manipulation)
Joseph (Deceased)- (?) Possibly an Empath
Edgar - Super speed
Lydia - Predicting the future/predicting people?
Arnold- Time manipulation
The Fortune Teller from 14 years ago - (?) Perhaps a shape shifter or illusionist.
Mrs. Comey - Pyrokinesis(?) / Awesome waffle making skills
Rebecca Taylor - Dynamic Camoflauge/Invisibility
iStory Additions
Caleb
Chris Bowman - Pyrokinesis
Gail Bowman - Pyrokinesis
Jennie Bowman - Pyrokinesis
Aviv - Telekinesis
Bo LoFontaine - Magnetism
Callum - Illusion
Aiden (boy) - Flight
Jack (boy)
Sabine Hazel
Josh and Evan (Juggling, Brothers)
Other additions/Speculations
Jacquie the Dog-Faced Girl - The Carnival's Twitter account
Young African American girl
African American girl - much younger
Caucasian woman with infant - Could be Sabine Hazel and her infant
Three Children - Could be Jack and Aiden
Married Couple - Could be Chris and Gail Bowman
Caucasian girl next to Arnold - Could be Jennie Bowman
Full Version: "The Family" abilities speculation.
I actually don't think Lydia's ability is directly related to the tattoos. I think that is more of Samuel's doing than Lydia's.
Looked to me like there were about 20 or so standing there... hopefully some more of them become prominent, Samuel seems to aspire to be a pretty big player in the world of Heroes.
Samuel - Geokinesis (earth manipulation)
Edgar - Super speed
Lydia - maybe a abiltiy like Molly except seeing where they, she knows what they look like? but she can send the image to someone else. samuel used these images to draw the picture of the people on her. (STRETCHING IT A BIT LOL)
Older Guy - time manipulation
Edgar - Super speed
Lydia - maybe a abiltiy like Molly except seeing where they, she knows what they look like? but she can send the image to someone else. samuel used these images to draw the picture of the people on her. (STRETCHING IT A BIT LOL)
Older Guy - time manipulation
I'm sorry. Geokinesis is so tacky. Let's just stick with Terrakinesis, as it's already been used for someone else with the same power.
And I think Lydia is more along the lines of an empath as she seems to be able to connect to people through the tattoos. Albeit, it could be some sort of clairvoyance also.
And I think Lydia is more along the lines of an empath as she seems to be able to connect to people through the tattoos. Albeit, it could be some sort of clairvoyance also.
Does the prefix 'Terra" mean earth? Because all I could find was a Greek meaning of "Monster".
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
So did the old dude travel back with Samuel or did he just kind of send Samuel back by himself?
Leek, why do you say Joseph isn't deceased? Or did I miss something?
Leek, why do you say Joseph isn't deceased? Or did I miss something?
QUOTE (prander @ Sep 21 2009, 11:50 PM) 
So did the old dude travel back with Samuel or did he just kind of send Samuel back by himself?
Leek, why do you say Joseph isn't deceased? Or did I miss something?
Leek, why do you say Joseph isn't deceased? Or did I miss something?
The funeral that started the show was for Joseph, or that was at least what I was led to believe.
Just a little thing I'm thinking:
"Family" and "Company" are two different concepts. If they are the family, there's likely a chance they'll be anti-company.
"Family" and "Company" are two different concepts. If they are the family, there's likely a chance they'll be anti-company.
Personally, I think there's more to Samuel's power than we realize. He might be an empath or have had his DNA twisted to contain multiple abilities.
I mean really, how can he put ink on Edgar and then choke him with it if his ability is to manipulate the earth? Don't see how that works.
As for Lydia, I think she has some sort of clairvoyance/limited empathy that works in tandem with Samuel. He puts the ink on her, messes with it a little, she starts to use her power and then her thoughts manifest themselves visually onto her body through the ink. That way, Samuel gets a look at the people he's after and Lydia has a proper outlet for her ability. It seems symbolic to me as a way to show how close Samuel is with his "family".
I mean really, how can he put ink on Edgar and then choke him with it if his ability is to manipulate the earth? Don't see how that works.
As for Lydia, I think she has some sort of clairvoyance/limited empathy that works in tandem with Samuel. He puts the ink on her, messes with it a little, she starts to use her power and then her thoughts manifest themselves visually onto her body through the ink. That way, Samuel gets a look at the people he's after and Lydia has a proper outlet for her ability. It seems symbolic to me as a way to show how close Samuel is with his "family".
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Sep 21 2009, 10:56 PM)
I mean really, how can he put ink on Edgar and then choke him with it if his ability is to manipulate the earth? Don't see how that works.
The ink is probably made from some earth materials. Therefore, he can control it once it is inserted into someone.
Just throwing it out there as sorta joke but Since they are a "Carnival" heres some funny powers they may have
Strong man - for the Mallet game
Perfect throwing Abiltiy - Ring toss
Great balance - rope ladder walking game
Future Sight - Fortune teller (obvious)
Persuasion - con people into play the games
Strong man - for the Mallet game
Perfect throwing Abiltiy - Ring toss
Great balance - rope ladder walking game
Future Sight - Fortune teller (obvious)
Persuasion - con people into play the games
Yeah in the speculation about his powers thread we talked about how the ink seemed to be of his own making. So perhaps had some dirt or earth material in it that allowed him to control it very easily.
QUOTE (Typo21 @ Sep 21 2009, 10:59 PM)
The ink is probably made from some earth materials. Therefore, he can control it once it is inserted into someone.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 11:04 PM)
Yeah in the speculation about his powers thread we talked about how the ink seemed to be of his own making. So perhaps had some dirt or earth material in it that allowed him to control it very easily.
That makes sense. It'd be weird if ink was able to choke you. There's not much mass to it to begin with. Besides, paint and ink came from the earth to begin with, it's not impossible that you guys are a wrong or right, but your explanations make a lot of sense.
I just hope they DO explain his power specifically. I don't wanna be left scratching my head at the end of the season wondering what was up...
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 10:53 PM)
The funeral that started the show was for Joseph, or that was at least what I was led to believe.
Apologies, I misinterpreted it as "(And his brother Joseph, who is not deceased)" instead of "(And his brother Joseph, who is now deceased)" since you left off the last letter of the "no_".
QUOTE (DoctorClaude @ Sep 21 2009, 10:54 PM)
"Family" and "Company" are two different concepts. If they are the family, there's likely a chance they'll be anti-company.
If you ask me, it doesn't look very familial. I'd never choke a family member to get them to do what I want, something that they don't want to do.
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Sep 21 2009, 10:56 PM)
Personally, I think there's more to Samuel's power than we realize. He might be an empath or have had his DNA twisted to contain multiple abilities.
I mean really, how can he put ink on Edgar and then choke him with it if his ability is to manipulate the earth? Don't see how that works.
I mean really, how can he put ink on Edgar and then choke him with it if his ability is to manipulate the earth? Don't see how that works.
I think it's most likely something as simple as the ink being made of, or mixed with, dirt or whatever. It could still be his "earth manipulation" power.
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Sep 21 2009, 11:09 PM)
That makes sense. It'd be weird if ink was able to choke you. There's not much mass to it to begin with. Besides, paint and ink came from the earth to begin with, it's not impossible that you guys are a wrong or right, but your explanations make a lot of sense.
I just hope they DO explain his power specifically. I don't wanna be left scratching my head at the end of the season wondering what was up...
I just hope they DO explain his power specifically. I don't wanna be left scratching my head at the end of the season wondering what was up...
I think the upcoming episode "Ink" will do that for you
QUOTE (Typo21 @ Sep 21 2009, 11:12 PM)
I think the upcoming episode "Ink" will do that for you
One would hope so.
QUOTE (prander @ Sep 22 2009, 12:09 AM)
Apologies, I misinterpreted it as "(And his brother Joseph, who is not deceased)" instead of "(And his brother Joseph, who is now deceased)" since you left off the last letter of the "no_".
If you ask me, it doesn't look very familial. I'd never choke a family member to get them to do what I want, something that they don't want to do.
I think it's most likely something as simple as the ink being made of, or mixed with, dirt or whatever. It could still be his "earth manipulation" power.
If you ask me, it doesn't look very familial. I'd never choke a family member to get them to do what I want, something that they don't want to do.
I think it's most likely something as simple as the ink being made of, or mixed with, dirt or whatever. It could still be his "earth manipulation" power.
Oh my bad. Didn't even notice the typo.
And yeah. I mean, it is clear that Samuel is the ring leader. That is what you call the head circus guy, right? While he does seem sincere about having a place to fit in, it is very cult like. Like Charles Manson and his "Family". And he obviously has some abusive tendencies. Choking Edgar and forcing him to kill because it is what needed to be done for The Family.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 11:13 PM)
And yeah. I mean, it is clear that Samuel is the ring leader. That is what you call the head circus guy, right? While he does seem sincere about having a place to fit in, it is very cult like. Like Charles Manson and his "Family". And he obviously has some abusive tendencies. Choking Edgar and forcing him to kill because it is what needed to be done for The Family.
Yeah, I agree. It's cult-like to me. The burial scene did not evoke a sense of real familial closeness to me. It seems to me that Samuel may be more of a manipulative (Machiavellian?) authoritarian, with his eye on the prize, at least when it comes down to it. He's "brotherly" when you do what he wants, but if you don't...
Oddly enough it reminds me of Children of The Corn LOL
Just because they had biblical names and they are these cult like figures that people follow as if their word were gospel. And I guess to the lost and the lonely and the confused their word was gospel.
Same way Magneto is able to take in mutants.
Just because they had biblical names and they are these cult like figures that people follow as if their word were gospel. And I guess to the lost and the lonely and the confused their word was gospel.
Same way Magneto is able to take in mutants.
I suppose we could add the Fortune Teller from 14 years ago (who set Hiro about wanting to be a hero) to the "family tree" too...
At the comic con heroes panel, i remember the actress playing lydia described her character as being an empath and that samuel was an "earth mover".
It's even up ion youtube so you can watch it yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GswrJq_f_Mg...feature=related
This is part 1 of 6- don't know what part she mentions it ni though.
It's even up ion youtube so you can watch it yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GswrJq_f_Mg...feature=related
This is part 1 of 6- don't know what part she mentions it ni though.
Todays GN seems to suggest that Lydia can predict the future but needs an object to visualize the vision. Like the ink with her tattoos, and the crystal ball in the GN.
Also I added the fortune teller to the OP.
Also I added the fortune teller to the OP.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 22 2009, 10:05 AM)
Todays GN seems to suggest that Lydia can predict the future but needs an object to visualize the vision. Like the ink with her tattoos, and the crystal ball in the GN.
Any excuse to keep Tim Sale on board as the artist for this show, I guess.
I believe the old time manipulator guy's name is Ronald.
Well, IMO, it seems like Samuel's built up that "family" of EHs, so they're loyal to him and each other. But I also think that he's got a goal, one that may or may not (turn out to) be in the best interests of the "family". I think he's normally charismatic, charming, etc. when it comes to scheming to that goal as it's the best way for him to get it. But I'd imagine that he can be cruel, deadly, forceful, vindictive, etc. when he has to be... as evidenced by his treatment of Edgar. I think that he'd have no problem being that way to his "family," and if so, they'd generally stay loyal to him out of fear than familial ties.
I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Children of the Corn, but I think there's at least a hint of it being kind of a charismatic leader figure with his adoring flock. I can see them following his plan whether they agree with it or not, whether because of family or fear.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 11:39 PM)
Oddly enough it reminds me of Children of The Corn LOL
Just because they had biblical names and they are these cult like figures that people follow as if their word were gospel. And I guess to the lost and the lonely and the confused their word was gospel.
Same way Magneto is able to take in mutants.
Just because they had biblical names and they are these cult like figures that people follow as if their word were gospel. And I guess to the lost and the lonely and the confused their word was gospel.
Same way Magneto is able to take in mutants.
Well, IMO, it seems like Samuel's built up that "family" of EHs, so they're loyal to him and each other. But I also think that he's got a goal, one that may or may not (turn out to) be in the best interests of the "family". I think he's normally charismatic, charming, etc. when it comes to scheming to that goal as it's the best way for him to get it. But I'd imagine that he can be cruel, deadly, forceful, vindictive, etc. when he has to be... as evidenced by his treatment of Edgar. I think that he'd have no problem being that way to his "family," and if so, they'd generally stay loyal to him out of fear than familial ties.
I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Children of the Corn, but I think there's at least a hint of it being kind of a charismatic leader figure with his adoring flock. I can see them following his plan whether they agree with it or not, whether because of family or fear.
A few ideas of varying shades of relevant:
1. I'd go with "Geokinesis" too. Since both elements are Greek.
2. The Old Man seems to have a slightly different sort of time travelling power. He can send people back alone, and they (and by proxy, probably he, too) can't interfere with the events. I thought that was a neat touch.
3. I liked the Company/Family concept being reinstated. It first came up when Angela, Noah, Nathan, Peter and Claire were sitting together in the Coyote Sands Café. But I do agree that the Family isn't necessarily that much more beign than the Company was.
1. I'd go with "Geokinesis" too. Since both elements are Greek.
2. The Old Man seems to have a slightly different sort of time travelling power. He can send people back alone, and they (and by proxy, probably he, too) can't interfere with the events. I thought that was a neat touch.
3. I liked the Company/Family concept being reinstated. It first came up when Angela, Noah, Nathan, Peter and Claire were sitting together in the Coyote Sands Café. But I do agree that the Family isn't necessarily that much more beign than the Company was.
Cosnidering what she says in the GN this week, I'd make a guess that the fortune teller is a mind reader?
If people the old guy sends back can't interfere with events, how'd Samuel push hiro in the way of the slushy?
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Sep 22 2009, 06:39 PM)
2. The Old Man seems to have a slightly different sort of time travelling power. He can send people back alone, and they (and by proxy, probably he, too) can't interfere with the events. I thought that was a neat touch.
If people the old guy sends back can't interfere with events, how'd Samuel push hiro in the way of the slushy?
QUOTE (Gamistar @ Sep 22 2009, 07:43 PM)
If people the old guy sends back can't interfere with events, how'd Samuel push hiro in the way of the slushy?
Because Hiro wasn't from that timeline. He was the only one Samuel could interact with, because they were both visitors there.
I like "Way of the Slushy", by the way. Sounds like an alternative Way of the Sword.
So he brought the baseball and the bottles with him from the present?
Hummmmm.
Well, it seemed more than significant to me that he shot off one of those bottles, leaving the one atop it to defy gravity. I took that to mean he may not change anything about the past. It might be he can manipulate objects, but without any lasting consequences.
Well, it seemed more than significant to me that he shot off one of those bottles, leaving the one atop it to defy gravity. I took that to mean he may not change anything about the past. It might be he can manipulate objects, but without any lasting consequences.
In the evolutions stories on the heroes website, it revealed a family of firebreather joined the Carnival. A husband, wife, and little girl. Also there was an illusionist named Callum. Sabine Hazel and her baby may be a part of them and Wildman, who can control animals maybe part of the too.
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Sep 22 2009, 08:09 PM)
Hummmmm.
Well, it seemed more than significant to me that he shot off one of those bottles, leaving the one atop it to defy gravity. I took that to mean he may not change anything about the past. It might be he can manipulate objects, but without any lasting consequences.
Well, it seemed more than significant to me that he shot off one of those bottles, leaving the one atop it to defy gravity. I took that to mean he may not change anything about the past. It might be he can manipulate objects, but without any lasting consequences.
Where does this The Old Man can't affect the past idea come from? A GN?
I don't even read the GNs.
It's shown in the episode. Samuel throws his ball at the bottles, knocks one of them away, and the others miraculously stay where they are. Then he tells Hiro that the latter has a "rare gift". Which I took to mean that Samuel/the old man can only observe, not meddle with the past.
It's shown in the episode. Samuel throws his ball at the bottles, knocks one of them away, and the others miraculously stay where they are. Then he tells Hiro that the latter has a "rare gift". Which I took to mean that Samuel/the old man can only observe, not meddle with the past.
QUOTE (prander @ Sep 22 2009, 01:05 PM)
But I'd imagine that he can be cruel, deadly, forceful, vindictive, etc. when he has to be... as evidenced by his treatment of Edgar.
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Yeah poor Edgar by the way. In the short time we have known him he has been slapped, choked, forced to kill against his wishes, and attacked by peter
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Sep 22 2009, 01:39 PM)
2. The Old Man seems to have a slightly different sort of time travelling power. He can send people back alone, and they (and by proxy, probably he, too) can't interfere with the events. I thought that was a neat touch.
Yeah it seems to be Linderman esq in that he can do it to other people but not himself.
QUOTE (Gamistar @ Sep 22 2009, 01:43 PM)
Cosnidering what she says in the GN this week, I'd make a guess that the fortune teller is a mind reader?
In the GN she seems to transform from this ugly scary old lady into a hot young mama.
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Sep 22 2009, 04:20 PM)
I don't even read the GNs.
It's shown in the episode. Samuel throws his ball at the bottles, knocks one of them away, and the others miraculously stay where they are. Then he tells Hiro that the latter has a "rare gift". Which I took to mean that Samuel/the old man can only observe, not meddle with the past.
It's shown in the episode. Samuel throws his ball at the bottles, knocks one of them away, and the others miraculously stay where they are. Then he tells Hiro that the latter has a "rare gift". Which I took to mean that Samuel/the old man can only observe, not meddle with the past.
Dude I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me in real life. Those things are FIXED.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 10:31 PM)
Does the prefix 'Terra" mean earth? Because all I could find was a Greek meaning of "Monster".
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
Taken from dictionary.com & encyclodpedia.com:
ter⋅ra
–noun earth; land.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terra
it's latin in origin.
I think it's funny atleast one of the new specials is based on an old 1930's song, Lydia, the tattooed lady. "Lydia oh Lydia that encyclopedia, Lydia the queen of tattoos..you can learn a lot from Lydia". How appropriate.
Probably deliberate actually. Sounds like the kind of thing they'd do.
QUOTE (Kathy @ Sep 24 2009, 06:54 AM)
I think it's funny atleast one of the new specials is based on an old 1930's song, Lydia, the tattooed lady. "Lydia oh Lydia that encyclopedia, Lydia the queen of tattoos..you can learn a lot from Lydia". How appropriate.
That's awesome. Thanks for bringing that up.
There's a post here on this board that links to a video interview at the carnival set. There I think gives away something if people really look. All the people at this carnival have powers, and at the carnival there was a poster with a stylized picture of Samuel on it with some caption that can't be read. Something like signs for the attractions. There were two more signs that you couldn't see the pictures on, but the captions read "Illusionist" and "Invisible Man" I think those pwers will show themselves in the carnival.
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 11:31 PM)
Does the prefix 'Terra" mean earth? Because all I could find was a Greek meaning of "Monster".
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
Geokinesis is what I thhiiiiinnkk they used in X-men. Which is why I went with it.
Hey Terra means earth in Latin
yeah terra is used alot in other aspect's
Terraforming (changing envoirments to suit inhabitants) being one of the most common.
I don't know Geokinesis is always been my word of choice because i think it sounds better. terrakinesis always makes me want to say Terra incognita "Uknown Land"
Terraforming (changing envoirments to suit inhabitants) being one of the most common.
I don't know Geokinesis is always been my word of choice because i think it sounds better. terrakinesis always makes me want to say Terra incognita "Uknown Land"
It seems like Joseph was an empath since Samuel was talking about Peter 'filling his shoes'.
ok i don't know if im the only one to catch this but when they were talking (samule and lydia) he asked her why she is showing him something, she responded something like i show you what you are looking for.
This instantly reminded me of the boy from india that helped out when mohinder needed advice on what to do. Maybe she really is a Fortune Teller. In that, she shows you what is needed to guide your path. Seems to focus on people so far tho.
This instantly reminded me of the boy from india that helped out when mohinder needed advice on what to do. Maybe she really is a Fortune Teller. In that, she shows you what is needed to guide your path. Seems to focus on people so far tho.
*long pause between double posts sorry lol*
Ok from this past episode(hysterical blindness) we got some clues as to some new powers but i didnt catch the names.
Old lady that made waffles has some sort of Heat/Thermal Control, she heated the pan with a glowing red hand.
The girl from the sorority has invisibility
Ok from this past episode(hysterical blindness) we got some clues as to some new powers but i didnt catch the names.
Old lady that made waffles has some sort of Heat/Thermal Control, she heated the pan with a glowing red hand.
The girl from the sorority has invisibility
The girl from the sorority was Becky Taylor (as she introduced herself to Claire). I'm guessing that's her real name since Samuel called her Rebecca.
Samuel called the lady who made the waffles Mrs. Combies or Colmies (something like that).
Samuel called the lady who made the waffles Mrs. Combies or Colmies (something like that).
QUOTE (Leek @ Sep 21 2009, 04:59 PM)
Does anyone recall how many others there were exactly standing around? We have four account for.
This is the list I have. It combines from the show, graphic novels, webisodes and istory
Joseph Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan - Terrakinesis - All
Edgar - Enhanced Speed - All
Lydia - Premonition (?) - All
Arnold - Space-Time Manipulation - Show
Fortune Teller - Show, Graphic Novel
Caleb - Webisode, iStory
Chris Bowman - Pyrokinesis - iStory, Show(?)
Gail Bowman - Pyrokinesis - iStory, Show(?)
Jennie Bowman - Pyrokinesis - iStory, Show(?)
Aviv - Telekinesis - iStory
Bo LoFontaine - Magnetism - iStory
Callum - Illusion - iStory
Jacquie the Dog-Faced Girl - The Carnival's Twitter account
Aiden (boy) - Flight - iStory
Jack (boy) - iStory
Sabine Hazel - iStory
Josh and Evan (Juggling, Brothers) - iStory
Mrs. Comey - Pyrokinesis(?) - Show
Young African American girl
African American girl - much younger
Caucasian woman with infant - Could be Sabine Hazel and her infant
Three Children - Could be Jack and Aiden
Married Couple - Could be Chris and Gail Bowman
Caucasian girl next to Arnold - Could be Jennie Bowman
Rebecca Taylor - Dynamic Camoflauge/Invisibility - Show
*bows to dedication to heroes*
i admit i am not the most active reader, i just watch the shows but all that infomation is really impressive MrMichaelt
i admit i am not the most active reader, i just watch the shows but all that infomation is really impressive MrMichaelt
QUOTE (byerly724 @ Oct 13 2009, 09:57 PM)
*bows to dedication to heroes*
i admit i am not the most active reader, i just watch the shows but all that infomation is really impressive MrMichaelt
i admit i am not the most active reader, i just watch the shows but all that infomation is really impressive MrMichaelt
Thank you for the kind words, byerly724. Everyone's got their vice.
Awesome job mrmichelt, I updated the OP with your info.
QUOTE (Leek @ Oct 14 2009, 11:21 AM)
Awesome job mrmichelt, I updated the OP with your info.
Thank you, Leek! I loved the add with Mrs. Comey's awesome waffle making skill.
If only she met Hiro Nakamura, then it'd be a match made in Heaven.EDIT: After looking at TenzoMonk's screengrabs in the request thread, there's also an elderly woman and a brunette with a rag wrapped over her hair.
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