As we saw, Sylar (who thinks he is Nathan) has started to possibly reverting back to his old self.

He accidently trigger his telekinesis and his lightning power. But I think I saw something else when he was looking at his reflection. It was so quick and momentary that I may have imagined it.

I think I saw the skin on his cheek ripple like it was going to change shape. Did anyone else see this or am I imagining it?

How far into the episode was this? I don't remember him really looking at his reflection or anything like that.

But I do think that he'll turn back into Sylar eventually.

Don't really recall, but before he called Peter? May not have been his reflection, just remember seeing his face and it looked like it rippled.

Yes, he definitely did. (The sound effect's are often a dead giveaway to his powers.) The Shapeshifting one is very unique and liquid-y sounding. I have to say, the entire Sylar-as-Nathan thing is the single worst arc in Heroes' history, IMO. Angela herself, the architect of the whole idea, has firsthand experience which showed her that memory loss is erased by healing. That was true in her case and in Hiro's when they were healed by others. It was also true in Peter's case when he regenerated. Last time I checked, Sylar regenerates.. There's also the question of "leashing" Nathan. Angela manipulated Nathan for 3 seasons by constantly lying to him. Sylar has an ability that detects lies. I wish I could reach through my computer and swat Tim Kring on the forehead sometimes.

Unfortunately I will have to full agree on that one. :/
What I find even worse is that they now started the "sylar hocus, pocus" think with Matt additionaly so they can show sylar more often again as if it wouldn't had been enough to have him as nathan.



When it comes to the lies I must say that in Nathans case, it was really a (as angela would had put it) "nessecary evil" to lie to him.

Most of all since she didn't lied to him as much I must say. Yes she hid things but mostly for a good reason.

- when it comes to the 60's, she wanted her children to grow up without the pain she had to suffer and to be honest almost every mother that really loves her children would had done or at least had tried to do the same.

- she lied to him about his father after she poisoned arthur to save nathan from him and hid it from nathan.

To be honest, I would had told him the reason instead of taking all on me like she did with the result of nathan hating her even she risked everything to save him.

- lying to him about "I'm on your side on this" in fugitives was also nessecary since to be able to take this effort down she had to be in the safe zone and as we all know she could only be there as long as nathan believes her on his side. So she had to play her role this way so she can save the others by taking down this madness with Noahs help. Didn't worked for long but at least it helped a bit.

What put me off in the whole situation was how they decreased the development of such a great character like Angela making her calling Matt all of sudden asking him to "update" sylar, even the haitian is around and can do even a better job to what Matt was able to. -.-

When it comes to regeneration I think they intended to make Angela look stupid so they can revert sylar back whenever they want. -.-
So I fully agree on that being stupid aswell!

crap i forgot all about that
now im angry

I don't think Sylar is taking over. Those memories were erased (and I don't think rapid cell regeneration takes care about that problem). Sylar is being a ****** towards Matt. I think "Nathan" is just really, really confused about his new abilities.

Being Nathan, I guess he will turn evil once again and in the end they just beg Matt, to put Sylar back in the body, because Nathan appears the be a bigger ****** than Sylar .

Not erased, just buried.


Actually, it does.

Nah they told Matt to erase Sylar from ever existing in that body.

Pretty sure Matt didn't and can't erase memories. Even more sure that it doesn't matter. We've seen regen bring back erased memories.

I don't watch each episode multiple times, so by all means let me know if I'm wrong...

But when have they referred to what happened as being "buried?"

All I can remember is people saying Parkman "scooped" Sylar out of Nathan's head. Not that he buried him under Nathan's memories. And in the first two episodes, at least, they haven't shown Sylar's personality returning to Nathan. Just the ABILITIES of Sylar's old BODY. The clock thing was just IA rearing his head, and Nathan saying he feels immortal could be his subconcious noticing the healing ability.

And for what it's worth, according to show canon so far, healing CAN restore erased memories. But a healer's blood can also restore dead people to life, and it seems they've forgotten that little detail. No one's saying they can't forget another. Based on the show so far, it's Sylar's mind in Parkman's head, and Nathan's memories controlling Sylar's body. Cheesy, I admit, but there you go.

There were a couple of shots intercutting Sylathan looking more darkly confused than he had done previously, with Sylar roaming around in Matt's house, which suggest there's still some sort of connection between the two. Right now, I agree that it looks as if Sylar's body is controlled by Nathan's memories, and that there's more confusion than Sylar in there. But even though the mind (with Matt) and the body (in Washington) are separated by a long distance, I don't doubt that Sylar's mind will be able to get back. So maybe it's less Sylathan reverting into Sylar, but Sylar's mind returning to Sylar's body.

That sounded a lot more confusing than it should have...

Yeah. I posted on the Speculations board that I think despite the inherent cheesiness and possible contradictions to established canon, they're playing it as Nathan's memories controlling a body that has multiple inherent abilities that he's slowly discovering, and Sylar's mind/personality being stuck in Parkman's head.

I propose that it won't be Sylar slowly leaking back into control of the Nathan body, but the Sylar personality in Parkman's head torturing Parkman to the point that Parkman goes to DC and puts Sylar back into his body. Of course, "Nathan" will have had time to get established in there...it might not be as easy as Sylar thinks to take control back once he's inside.

I agree with all, I can't stand seeing Sylar ham it up as a disembodied nag. Boo. His constant snarling would drive me to access my mind abilities again just to erase him!

But frankly, I thought the arc of convincing Sylar he was Nathan was fairly elegant. Both of them still have a shot at being in the show that way. Don't get me wrong, I got very tired of no one staying dead from season to season, but I've gotten to the point where I don't want to see Adrian Pasdar go.

Question is did Matt create a Nathan personality or did he just transfer whatever is left of Nathan to Sylar's body? While Sylar's personality got stuck to Matt playing a Harvey to John Crichton.

If the former it is somewhat of sleeper agent scenario. The new personality gets erased.

You cannot be serious. Sylar turning into Nathan saved the show! It was what was needed to head towards the 5YG and it certainly livened up a rather dull season final. It was a fantastic twist which had people talking once again about Heroes. I remember at school the next day after it aired in England, people couldn't stop talking about it and that is exactly what the show needed!

I agree, I like that we are still creeping toward 5YG. Keeps us on our toes

I'm not so sure that regeneration is supposed to reverse what Matt did. We've seen it reverse what the Haitian did but that's NOT what Matt accomplished. I'm of the opinion that Sylar's body is lost to Sylar's psyche as the psyche is now attached to Matt's mind. I wouldn't be surprised to see Matt simply dump him off on just any body he can successfully do so. That would lead to a very confused Nathan, especially if he eventually learns the truth.

BTW, I like what the writers have done with Sylar.

As Synch already pointed out: Sylars memories are not erased, they are just sealed.
Matt just surpressed them by sealing them away.
Matt can't erase memories, only the haitian can.
Sylar obviously will break the seal sooner or later without even knowing it, thats why angela asked Matt for a "update". Of course she could let the haitian erase this part of sylar but then the haitian would know what happened and that this isn't nathan. Thats why Angela doesn't asks him to do it but rather asks matt that is already involved.

What reason would she have to not involve the Haitian? He's been involved with inner dealings before hasn't he? I think it's because his power is not the solution.

Exactly.

The Haitian erases memories. That's it. He can't add them.

Well according to her, the memories add are coming through bridgets ability by giving him objects of his past letting him draining nathans memories out of them so, what Matt actually did was just block sylars memories by sealing them away.

So to erase the whole sylar out of his body is an option and the haitian would be the right man for the job.
However, it seems that she is too afraid the the true identity could leak so she keeps only the involved ones withing the circle of secrets(Noah and Matt) so far.

At least that's how it looks to me.