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what do you think?

EDIT: Added 3rd option

Well, Janice sure isn't complaining...

Personally, I don't mind. It's not rough sex just for the sake of rough sex so...*shrugs

For me, the magic of the first year wasn't the discovery of their powers, it was the overall story line and how everyone realised they all had a part to play in it no matter how small. Thats what this show lacks that they did so well in year one.

I voted no. Because I can't bring myself to say that's a great idea when asked about this kind of thing. I think that if it's important to the story and to the character of Matt they can do it without exactly showing how he's doing it. I think can be done in a way that it give strong emotional effect at the incident.

*shrugs* Sex is a part of life. There were sex scenes before, and most of them involved good storylines.

Looks like I tied it up.

I don't mind it, thought I doubt it'll increase the ratings.

There should've been an option in the poll that said "It depends." In all honesty, the fact that the show is at an earlier time makes me not too keen on the idea. If the show was still on at 9, or even 10, it would be different. There has been story lines where there was rough sex in shows like CSI: Miami, or Law & Order: SVU, but they have aired later on at night. At the very least there should be a "Viewer Discretion Advised" disclaimer before the scene is aired, so that parents can decide whether their kids should see it.

*puts two pennies into the plate*

Edit: I see that the "It depends" option was added. Thanks for doing so!

I said "Yes" because I don't think will see the whole scene. Just a glimpse then cut to something else then back and their in their relaxation stage. They did this in season one where after the sex scene Matt went to the store and we had the gun scene.

If it is relative to the plot, then it should be included.

Ugh,I don't know with new the time slot arguments could be made;I honestly don't care if they do,or if they don't. Whatever.

Well, we've already seen Sylar and Elle get at it. So what's different here? It's sex between a husband and wife.

Superficially speaking.. will we get to see Quinto shirtless? Then I vote yes.

Honestly though, it is a part of life. We did see Sylar/Elle AND there was that deleted scene with Simone and Peter plus Nathan and any blond with a pulse


Although I can imagine Sylar and Matt having quite different techniques for lack of a better word.. Janice is probably quite used to Matt and his ways, so a change may raise a red flag for him. Sylar also taunted that she needs a real man and Zach mentioned a few "peculations" of romantic involvements this season. I guessed Janice, Lydia or Heidi... so I think if it will enhance the story, yes, go for it.

It will be interesting to see and I guess I compare it to a bit about illustion and interpretation. Like when Candice had her plans with Sylar during season 2, she could change what you felt and saw. So he wouldn't have seen her or felt her as being a full figured gal, he would have felt a small framed woman. So with Sylar haunting Matt, it is bound to be different. I hope I am making sense..

Well II would agree about the timeslot, but I guess its nothing worse than they show on Days of Our Lives, so I say bring on the kink!

PSSHHH! I personally don't see the point for a "sex scene" to grace Heroes. It won't necessarily add anything positive to the story and besides we won't actually get to see anything interesting, honestly. It'll be like the typical mega soft core sex scenes you'd see on any soap or prime time show. Guy slobbers all over girl's neck, girl raises head high into the air and closes eyes, shot of girl's bare back, bed sheets are conveniently entangled around the lovers, then the couple talks about mundane crap. The guy who is supposedly an average joe yet throws the bed sheets back to display his "average joe" muscular, gladiator, he-man body while the girl hides herself under the sheets like it is taboo for the man she just scored with to see her.



I vote NO, since there really is no point to it. It would merely fill up time that could be better spent telling some actual storyline.

I understand that in matts case they would saw that he really connected with his wife again fully.

However, I REALLY don't wanna see Greg without clothes and I don't think that such scenes are really nessecary or needed.
As others already said, I would rather prefer the screentime to be used for more story and character development instead that forwards the story.

I don't mind seeing naked bodies from time to time nor do I mind such scenes but doing them only to raise quotes and stuff doesn't appeal to me nor do I think it will help in that case.

And without any offense to Grunny, there are actors on Heroes who'd boost the ratings more if shown naked.

I think they're trying to give all the male characters equal share of nude scenes so it's fair for all.

I say no. Sex has become a plaything, an object, and it's high time that we started treating it like the special event it is, and that includes with television (whole other argument right there...)

Besides, my little sister just started watching the show, since it's now at an earlier time. Sex scenes for little kids? I don't think so.

What is television coming to in this liberal media age when two people on a show who are married will be having sex?

I thought sex only occurred on Heroes between non married people...i.e. Sylar and Elle, Nathan and Nikki in season 1...Mohinder and Maya.

lol I don't think it's marital status that's the issue here. It's the question of the time slot and little kids.

Matt and Janice have been shown having sex already - at least they were shown so immediately afterwards that it would have been pretty borderline to some people.



Sorry if I single this one out, but IMHO, that's one of the things that are most seriously wrong with the American mindset (assuming that's where you're from): Let little kids see throats sliced open, heads sawn off, people rummaging through other people's stomachs for keys, people being frozen to death and shattering into a thousand pieces any day! But two people having sex? Eeeewwww!

Sorry, I can't understand that reasoning.

I've run across this a lot in recent years, but I still can't get over it.

Gold, I agree with you so, so much for what it is worth.

I completely agree. Seeing excessive gore, people getting shot, and getting their heads sawed off = okay. But sex = OMG WRONG NO.

I don't understand it, either.

Where's the option for "couldn't care less either way"?

Have no problem with Matt & Janice going at it & the audience seeing Sylar in Matt's place or come to think of it in Janice's Though I'd expect Sylar would want to be a "top" in all things.

Also considering the fact that Bones is on and I believe has always been on at 8pm and I am watching it now... cats are eating the flesh off of a corpse.. I think seeing Matt and Janice and maybe a bit of Sylar in an intimate scene at 8pm is just fine.

If there are kids in the room, do what my parents made us do... cover your eyes!

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if the show had remained at its previous time slot, or even moved to 10:00. However, this is at 8:00. Prime time television. Are you saying that no kids will be hanging around while Mom or Dad or Big Bro watches?

And kids don't always cover their eyes. They'll peer through their fingers, to find out what they're not supposed to be seeing. And if they're told to cover their eyes, or leave the room, or anything like that, it'll pique their curiosity. It doesn't take much to find something with the use of modern technology. My little cousin can do that, though she hasn't yet gone where she doesn't belong. Seriously, if a child is told to stay away from something, they'll want to know why, and they'll go explore. Take it from someone who knows.

The Europeans kicked the Puritans out and they landed here and have caused all sorts of idiot disfunction ever since.

Somehow in Europe sex is shown as a normal part of life and children are not traumatized.

I think Bella's point is well taken. Gore, blood, cruelty, torture all kinds of inhumanity can go on in the 8pm hour. But sex? Avert your eyes.

I think it has more to do with adult discomfort at explaining what is going on the screen then something that would hurt a child.

I'm not saying something outrageous, like porn should be shown on network TV in Primetime or anything so against common decency. But two adults or three--which would be the funny way out for "Heroes" and something already done on "Angel"(Sylar like Spike commenting on what's taking place)-- under a blanket coupling is nothing to get outraged or upset over.

I'll be honest if I had kids I wouldn't let them watch Heroes just on basis of how violent it is.

If you live in the US, you can see the rating on the upper left corner which pops up every now and then. Heroes is TV-14 for dialogue (D), language (L), violence (V) and/or sexual content (S), meaning that the show may not be suitable for people who are younger than 14. It even says so on the NBC website. Its been this way since season 1 and it still is now.

As far as the sex scene goes, I agree with some of the posters that the show has shown some stuff that could be considered more disturbing than two people having sex. Sex on primetime tv is nothing new, and it will probably be like any other sex scene that is shown on other tv shows.

If it's good for story and character development of those involved, then I don't mind if it is aired. I don't think that certain scenes should be cut for viewers that are too young to watch it to begin with, regardless of time slot.

Couldn't agree more.

lol!

May I quote you on that?



I think poking around in a twitching teenage girl's brain might just about qualify for that, yes... although I do admit that sex is nearly as disturbing.

Sex scene with Matt, no way. Sex scene with Sylar, yes please.

There in lies one of the cruxes of the argument... many want to see Quinto naked, hot and bothered and not Grunny?

Of course you may



As you may already know, I had a very strong reaction to this scene and its aftermath. So I would whole heartedly agree with you with it being disturbing.

Sex scenes with Matt & Janice has already been shown in first season. So...The only additional "disturbing" factor is Sylar influencing both of Matt's heads & how that is portrayed. I for one trust the production people and have been salivating over the possibility of seeing this scene since FMYBella brought it to our attention (Thanks, Bella!)

Whatever they feel too explicit they could save for the DVDs guaranteeing a boost in sales.



Heroes?! Violent? In comparison to...what? Have you seen "Smallville" lately?

Just sent this Twitter to Grunny:

@greggrunberg Matt, Janice Sylar sex discussed. It directs Grunny here.

well sex in general, I dont see a problem with that,
so many other crazy things happens on this show, people die all the time in often horrible ways...
is that better to watch for a child? .. I hope not

if they air it tough, im wonder how it will done.
it seems really akward
but i cant deny the quinto hurhurhur

All I have to say is Being Human, which Riddler introduced me to. It's a show about a vampire, a werewolf, and a ghost who all live together and are trying their best to be human. There's a lot of rear male nudity (and nudity in general) and sex, complete with naked people (THE HORROR!), and . . . it's shown on network television in the UK.

There's always the channel up or channel down button.

My only issue is with how rough things get. It's network so it won't be graphic.

Well we had Niki performing sex on camera, right? And rape, right?
Claire got her hand shredded, she's been burned allover ...
It obviously depends on the roughness, as in Season One there's a deleted scene with Peter and Simone, isnt there? That was rougher than usual - they might have cut that out because of that.

I don't know - they know what they're doing, they obviously don't want to scare viewers away as they are going down

It is also interesting to me... and I really mean this from a character way and not a perverted way.. when they showed Elle and Sylar, without powers making love he was very gentle and sweet but then with Sylar it is "rough" so it shows some of Sylar's character with powers vs. Gabriel without powers and their differences etc... so then him being in Matt's mind and Matt seeing Sylar taunting him and what not, it could be interesting and no I don't just say this because I want to see Quinto shirtless.. oh believe what you want just making a point.

Lol! A pint of what?

Well, now that Greg has us some of us at very least curious & some of us all hot & bothered if they don't deliver something I will be disappointed.

No, I've never seen any episodes of Smallville. I've been told it's good, it was never something I ever got around to. But what do comparisons have to anything when making decisions like that? Do say to yourself show x is the outline for the limit for______ so if show y exceed show x in _____ I won't or won't allow little kids to watch it? I don't. I make judgments by how gory it is, how they show it to you, and most importantly how emotionally disturbing is it. Obviously different people have different opinions on what is to much, and that's fine.

I was attempting to gage what you consider violent & inappropriate.

The violence & gore on "Heroes" is relatively tame & sparse compared to much of television Is Jerry Springer appropriate viewing for a child with its emotional violence and low life behavior because you don't see the sex act?

If you consider "Heroes" too violent then I don't think there is much on TV you would allow a child to see. Maybe you only allow children's programing. That's fine. Your call.

Guys, its 2009. sex is NOT taboo anymore!


amen. If blood and gore can be shown, sex can too.


and I happen to be one of these people

I have to interject here and say that I would not mind seeing Greg Grunberg with his shirt off, either. I think he's a good-looking guy (though I'm probably in the minority here, sadly. :/)

OK, I will attempt express desired information.




That's not what meant by "emotionally distributing." I meant more around the lines of things like Noah brutally murdering his mentor or seeing some of Sylar's handy work. But in any case since you asked I don't watch Jerry Springer and everything I've heard about it and every commercial I've seen promoting it makes downright undesirable to me. So no I wouldn't put it on for a child, but then again I wouldn't put it on for me.



I would say that depends on your perspective. But then again I am by no stretch of the imagination a connoisseur of TV shows. Of the stuff that currently airing and new I can count on one hand and tell you how many I watch and that generally remains true throughout the year. So a certain degree I think you're right that there is a lot that I wouldn't let a little one see but I think you're wrong that I would limited to kiddie shows.

..You could always not take the poll?

I don't really understand why Heroes was moved into the 8/7 time slot if that is associated with being for kids to watch. heroes has always had adult content. And personally, my experience is that if something is truly too mature for kids to watch, it tends to go right over their heads. I know I watched some R-rated stuff when i was ten or eleven, and it didn't disturb me at all...just because I didn't understand it!

I think it was Spider Robinson who said something to the effect of things being really messed up when a naked blade is less offensive than a naked body. Just my two pence.

Given your examples it would be hard to find a Prime Time Network Drama you would find acceptable. They all have sex, violence, gore, and emotionally disturbing scenes to one degree or another.

Buts as BG & others have pointed out "Heroes" is rated TVPG-14 as is "Law & Order" among others. They are not meant to be seen by children but are entertainment for adults.

There is other television to suit your needs.

I would be really upset if they altered "Heroes" simply because it was moved to an hour earlier.

We adult "Heroes" fans have a right to see what we want as well. Which I hope means rough Janice, Matt & Sylar sex.

I think our wait may be over soon. I have a feeling it may air tonight, only because I am pretty sure this is the episode where at the end, "Nathan" gets shot and Sylar emerges. So when they happens, will he still be in Matt's mind do to the guilt? Or was a part of Sylar really in Matt and he'll continue to torment him?

This is purely speculation on my part.