So now we know a little more about the brothers Sullivan. Their parents worked for a very wealthy family, I am assuming from his accent there immigrated from over seas though.

How do you feel about him sinking the place? Is it a telling sign of his capacity for violence, or a desperate act of frustration from a grieving brother visiting to sight of pain?


And, what could be so bad that caused the boys to run away and join the circus??

I'm intrigued to find out how they explain their past in a future episode.

Another interesting part about that scene was when sam explained his brother died, the lady who owned it wont let him in, she says "I'm Sorry for your loss" or something like that. That was what Peter mentioned where people would say they offer condolences but that really didnt matter, and he (Peter) would just sit with them or something. I don't remember the exact line, but it was similar to that, so maybe that had something to do with his overreaction?

Nice catch Mettuar

I had a feeling that Samuel was going to be able to do something to the mansion after the lady of the house turned him away like she did. Since his ability is terrakinesis, I had a feeling he could do something with the mansion and I was right. I was amazed with the big hole that he left of the place. Peter and his team were even more surprised. Well, you better not cross Samuel or your finished. So snobs BEWARE!!

Thats what I was thinking

I don't really remember, did Samuel specifically tell Peter where he lived when he was younger? I mean, did he mention that residence? Could Peter, for now, ever connect the sinkhole with Samuel?

No he just said he "Lived around here" or not far from there or something.


Doubt Pete will be able to connect it right away.

The thing that bothered me a bit was that sinkhole looked rather shallow, and yet it was able to take the entire property down, foundation blocks and all. The paramedics on the scene before Peter and his partner even said two people died as a result.

Just how freaking deep was that hole?! And did he bury the house after it fell in?

peter will probably connect it somehow when he realises he can control the ground now instead of having super speed.

He may have shook hands with Sam, but you didn't see the little glow that indicated he absorbed his power.

If anything, that handshake was to help Sam press the ink into Peter's skin. How it formed the compass tattoo, I don't know. I mean, if you notice during their walk up, Peter checks his arm where the tattoo appears as if he got a bug bite or something.

i know he probably doesn't have the power but i think it would add to a lot more story if he absorbed the power from him. Peter accidentaly using a power he doesn't realise he has is always fun. Remember when he used Ted's Abiltiy the first time CLASSIC. (Dang i miss ted, one of the best character/power combo we have had and lost)

I was just waiting for him to make the house collapse in on itself as he started walking away from the door.

I think he did it out of spite, anger, and grief that the woman wouldn't let him walk around the property for closure or whatever.

I don't know. Wasn't Samuel standing right there activating the compass in that scene? I would think Peter would notice him, though perhaps not make the connection right away.

And she didn't even do anything wrong! She didn't let a stranger into her home at night while she was having a party. What a jerk. Don't cross Samuel indeed.

Ha, yeah, the accent... Presumably supposed to be Irish, but it did waver a bit!

Reminded me of Ewan McGregor's accent in Moulin Rouge - supposed to be Home Counties but continually drifting back to Scottish.

FALSE! Peter has all of Sylar's abilities, plus super speed, mohinder's strength and maybe Samuel's ability too, although we didn't see the glow, so probably not Samuel's yet

Peter took Sylar's abilities last season which means he now has empathy like Sylar had (remember Elle)?

Peter isn't using all those crazy abilities yet because he doesn't need them all for his EMT job




she got what she deserved...that was very rude...she didn't even ask any questions, or tell him to come back tomorrow during the day and that now was a bad time, she basically slammed the door in his face

Samuel's actions are justified!

I reckon that Samuel probably filled the hole in a bit after he'd levelled the house to cover the debris and bodies and whatnot.

Darkcervantes :

Are you just trolling now or what? I know after last weeks episode it was patiently (and not so patiently) explained how and why Peter doesn't have all of Sylar's abilities. Remember? Remember you randomly adding the word "TOO" to a sentence in order to make your point?

He doesn't need the other abilities for EMT work? Maybe, maybe not, though I imagine TK might come in handy in large car wrecks.

But TK, electricity, and healing sure would have been nice while fighting Edgar. Oh, that's another thing. If he had healing, why did he have small cuts all over his face several hours after his fight with Edgar?

Yeah, on second thought, you've gotta be a troll. Or nine years old.

Yes, yes, it would have been very nice if Peter had taken all of sylar's abilities (IN MY OPINION! I'm not joining the peter argument again!), but of course he didn't.
Anyway, to return to the topic at... page... I took the house thing to be a reaction to the woman as well as to his own grief. Certainly showing us his ruthless side but also a kind of kick-back to the life he once had - the way he spoke about it with Lydia, he clearly wanted to leave that life behind - I almost wonder if he in some way wanted the woman to provoke him so he could tear it down and forget that part of his life entirely.

Darkcervantes: I'm politely asking you to open a topic called "Peter has all of Sylar's abilities" in the speculation thread. You're ignoring every argument that's being put to you (also very politely)and continue to bring forth speculation as fact.

Let's get back on topic now, please.

First of all as GoldSeven also mentioned, if you wanna debate or speculate about peters powers do it under the appropriate section.

Secondly sylar could "empathically" copy powers of others through his IA(****** actually but oh well...).

Third it was showcased within the show many times right now that peter can have only one power at a time.

Last but not least, the woman wasn't rude to samuel, she had a house full of guests and was very busy. He was a stranger that knocked on her door asking to come inside and she politely told him that it is a bad timing right now and that she is sorry for his loss.

Killing a full house of innocent people wasn't justified at all.
He was just selfish that's all.

Not saying it was justified. Just pointing out, as have others, that she was far from polite about it and that she wouldn't have let someone claiming to be the son of the servants inside through any door but the servant entrance.

After all, do you have any idea what it would do to her position in society if it got out that she let someone like that into her house?

She didn't made that impression and I don't think that she would let him in even if he wouldn't mention the servants thingy.

She had tons of guests to take care of and she didn't wanted strangers in her house. Most of all because she wouldn't had been even able to explain who he was to all her guests that would definately ask AND because no one just lets someone they don't know in their house just like that.

Most of all not in the USA I would say by all the crime there going on like every few seconds.

You don't know very many people who live in this country then.

It's still not uncommon, although becoming less popular, to be able to go to a house and tell the adult "I used to live here when I was a kid, and was wondering if you'd be willing to show me the house." And they let you in. I even had one sweet lady make me a cup of coffee and talk about the changes they'd made after buying it.

And she struck me very much as the kind of person who sees servants as things, not people, and any chance he had of seeing the place died when he told her who his parents had been.

Maybe you got lucky because she was too trusty? Maybe she got lucky that it was you and not someone that would kill her for like 2 dollars and a silver spoon?

The thing is that you can't really tell.
I know a lot of people from allover the world.

I admit mostly through internet through the years and only a few personally but still(I was also in the military with people that were living in the usa).

I'm with synch on this one. The writers were trying to emphasize the class divide between Samuel's family growing up and their mansion partying employers, giving insight into Samuel's overwhelming "us versus them" mindset. And they pulled it off IMO.
The woman struck me as a snob as well. She couldn't have had a servant take him back to the "carriage house" or whatever it was he wanted to see? Even her condolences for his brothers death, her very facial expressions, were condescending and haughty. All I know is in the US people looking down on others purely for not having as much money isn't accepted as okay by most of the population.
Did two people deserve to die? Of course not. But he was obviously emotionally distraught, going there wasn't part of manipulating Peter but purely a personal moment to remember his and his brothers childhood. This wasn't an act on par with blowing up a classroom full of schoolchildren for funsies.

All in all, I think we can add this as yet another valuable life lesson from Heroes. Don't treat the hired help like they're not human, cause one day one of them might just drop your mansion into a sinkhole with his mind.

PS-Raekon, crime in the US isn't nearly as bad as you seem to think it is. Perhaps the fact that you find the idea of letting someone who used to live in your house in to look around so horrifying is more indicative of conditions in your own country then of of those in the United States.

She seemed genuinely sorry to me (even if her "sorry for your loss" was a great way to drive home the point Peter had made earlier), but I could understand she didn't want him in there right then. If she'd only asked him to come back the next day, that might have helped... but then, she probably wouldn't have.

You forget another thing, he visited at night and she said the timing was bad due to her guests.

No matter what the indication was she had the right to act as she did while he hadn't the right to harm anyone.

Alone the fact that he did shows that she had a good reason not to let him in her house in the first place.

He obviously killed if not badly injured everyone in this house and that was far more than 2 people and no matter if she let him in or not, it's not justified to say the least.

As about crime in Germany, I can assure you that we don't have X victims per X seconds like you have in the US.

Most people here are rather dying in car accidents or diseases then crimes like the ones you have.

Peters comment about people saying they feel sorry being rather "mechanical" without understanding your loss is normal in my opinion.

I lost 4 family members last year month after month and I can understand the loss others feel cause I know how it is and how it feels.

However, this doesn't put me on any place to judge someone who can't feel the same way when they didn't made this experience yet nor can I have the expectation that they will feel sorry for my loss.

It's my loss after all, not theirs.

Why do you think we're defending Samuel? We're not. In fact, we've all gone out of our way to make sure you realize we're not.

But the point remains that several of us saw what she did and how she did it as incredibly snobby, and it was obvious to us that she was very class-conscious.

And the point you're ignoring about what I said earlier is that it's far from uncommon to do what Samuel did. And it's far from uncommon to be allowed in.

No one said they deserved it...just that there were mitigating factors that set him off, things that would infuriate even a lot of "normal" people, i.e. people who aren't villains. Of course the people didn't deserve it...but the fact is she acted snobby to a person she saw as being beneath herself...and he just so happened to have the "ability" to punish her and the criminal mindset to go through with it. Sucks to be her, I guess.

And the paramedic explaining to Peter what had happened said how many people had died...it was two or four, can't remember.

I believe that two people had died. Samuel could easily have killed them all, so perhaps this was simply him burying a part of his old life and (possiblt not intentionally) having a couple people caught in the crossfire, as opposed to a brutal murder. (Not that I'm defending Samuel.)

Your comments about the USA are insulting. Maybe I'll go commit a crime or something

yeah for real we dont have x crimes every x seconds either

i believe you are thinking of outdated figures from our most crime ridden cities from Years ago.
like D.C. during the crack epidemic or NYC in the mid 90's

those cities are the exception Not the rule.

please believe us we live here.

You gave the fault to the woman for not letting him in. Check your previous posts and you will see.

Through this it came across as if you were defending what he did in your previous posts.
That's why I said that it wasn't justified no matter the stance of the woman was. :/

Other than that it was her decision and her way of thinking.
Where is the "freedom of the mind" or the "freedom of speaking"?
Why isn't she allowed to think the way she thinks?

It would be like going around killing everyone that has a different opinion then we have and this is wrong in my opinion.

Of course I dislike the whole status ****** (I had it and partially still have it in my work aswell by some Doctors that think they are superstars) myself too but this doesn't give me the right to harm them.

When they go at me with their status I'm telling and showing them that status doesn't matter to me and that they will be treated equally to everyone else (even they don't like it sometimes ) and if they overdoing it I'm just ignoring them by letting them wait a bit longer sometimes.

"Stings like a Lady"! ;P


I just replied to the this: Perhaps the fact that you find the idea of letting someone who used to live in your house in to look around so horrifying is more indicative of conditions in your own country then of of those in the United States. by explaining that this isn't the case in the county I'm living and just made a comparison that actually is a fact. The crime rate in the usa is higher than in germany and there is no doubt about it.

In my opinion its also normal since the bigger a country is the more is happening and don't tell me now that Germany is bigger than the usa ok?


I think that he just let the house go down without caring if someone in it would die or not.
Some obviously got luckier than others. :/

In overall they just wanted not only to point out to his roots with this but rather show us how selfish and bad he is and can be. Makes a good villain in my opinion and I really hope they won't let sylar slice him or something. -.-

I'm not being insulting, and I'm sorry if I come across like I am (sometimes I do without intending to), but I honestly don't know how else to ask this:

From your posts, it's obvious that English isn't your first language. (I'm assuming, since you've admitted you live there, your first language is German?) I'm wondering if perhaps you haven't mastered English yet. (No insult, as I said, intended. You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying- as if there are some nuances that aren't crossing over quite right.)

I am not, and never have, said the woman is in any way responsible for what Samuel did. I'm simply pointing out that her reaction to his apparently innocent request, and- more specifically- the manner in which she responded (body language, tone of voice as well as her actual verbal response), was such that it would have been highly insulting to anyone- even a stable individual, which Samuel clearly is not.

My main Language is actually Greek (I went to the school there), German and English are languages I learned by myself so I know that I have my difficulties sometimes.

NP at all, I'm not insulted at all. You are right that it's not my first language and I know that I'm partially editing my posts a lot because I'm writing very fast but also often distracted (from work) additionaly to hours like 6-7am (my time).

If I missunderstand something I'd appreciate it if you tell me.
I also understood what you just wrote no worries.

The way you posted things in your previous posts however, came across differently and most of all as if you approve what he did (at least partially) only because she had that stance.

To me she didn't came across rude. He made a request, she said it's a very bad timing and that was the whole thing.

I think that no matter if he would had left out the "servants son" speech or not, she wouldn't let him in at all.


Of course she could had said "could you please come again tomorrow or a other day?".
However, I think that in Samuels case it wouldn't had made a big difference so..

Dude...Internet age!!

From www.nationmaster.com, murders per capita: U.S. ranks #24 with 0.042802 per 1,000 people and Germany ranks #49 with 0.0116461 per 1,000 people.

Also, total crimes per capita: U.S. ranks #8 with 80.0645 per 1,000 people and Germany ranks #11 with 75.9996 per 1,000 people.

Please note the disclaimer from the same site:

"DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence."

Please try to be informed before making blanket statements.

According to one of my current professors from Germany, I think both you and Synch are telling the truth. For those of us Americans, the tone and posture, etc. from the woman at the mansion told a different story than it would to a German. Direct statements would be normal in Germany, but perceived as rude in the U.S.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this; it is coming second-hand through my interpretations of an explanation from my instructor as I mentioned.

That might be definately the case.

First of all, comparing the crime-rate in Germany to that in the US is pretty complicated since we're made of up 50 different states - many of which have comparable crime rates to Germany.

Hm, but that sounds very down-playing now. He sunk a house full of people (they were having a party!) into the ground. He must have known that people would die, and probably a lot of them, too. It wasn't just acceptance of deaths, but definitely intentional.




Oh, very helpful post. For both sides of the arguments. And for me in particular, since I'm German as well and although I consider myself pretty well-versed in the nuances of the English language, I still tend to forget how blunt we often come across especially to Americans. I hadn't seen her statement as particularly blunt either, but to Americans, it would have, I see that now.

Cool avatar you have, by the way. I predicted that Nathan had this clock one and a half years ago, in a sudden spell of future-painting.

Well, I don't think Samuel destroyed the house with the express intent of killing people, but if he did, well then what's it to him? I think it was more of an outlet of suppressed rage rather than a purposeful murder.

And the whole "insulting to me thing" was more to lead into my joke about committing a crime, not me taking offense. I guess I should make these things more clear.

greek german and english? you are a rockstar!

I'm pretty sure it was 3 people killed, out of what seemed to be a large party. This gives me the impression that Samuel didn't destroy the house quickly, or else the death toll would have been much higher. I envision him causing a minor earthquake to begin, scaring the people inside the house and causing them to run out. As people exited the house he started to sink the whole thing.

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be blamed for the deaths, but it seems that if he just lashed out with his power and buried the house, a lot more people would have died. There must have been some restraint on his part.

Yeah, the fireman said 3 people died, and that it could have been alot worse. I think all the talk about how rude the woman was is preposterous. Samuel is the same guy who made an 'Ink-Hand' choke his "family" member, Edgar, when he hesistated in obeying a request. After the sinkhole, Samuel clearly lingered around the scene, knowing Peter would show, just to screw with him using the compass trick. Samuel is a bad guy with a human side. He's not Flint, the 1 dimensional idiot that burns women for kicks at gas stations from S3, he's a complex person, not all bad OR all good, just what Heroes needs!

While the lady was coming off as a bit snobbish, and yes it was intended to show the class difference (He even dressed up to be all presentable, and it was like with one look she knew he was "different"), in all reality it still is pretty creepy to show up at night at someone's house and ask to come inside.

If some dude showed up my apartment I would certtaiinnlllly be hesitant. Because that is a classic way to get inside someone's house and then murder/rape/rob/kidnap/etc them. And let's face it, while Samuel comes off as a nice guy, he also has that Carnie swagger to him. Plus the whole verbal diarrhea about his brother dying, etc.

I think that the women was very busy, and while she felt bad, she wasn't going to go out of her way to cater to some stranger off the street.

I think, as has been said, that set him off and he wanted to see that place burn to the ground.

he didn't say 3. there are 5 bodies going by when he says that. i couldn't make out what he said exactly but i think he said "they all" or something along those lines. definitely not three though cause there were 5 bodies around him when he said it.