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ColorMeToxic
How awesome was that scene?

Sylar's arms comin' up out of the ground.

Adds a nice touch to it now being October.

What'd y'all think?
SoftBagel
Sylar is back!
Do you think this was a good decision for the show?
EvolutionisNear
Holy..

What are your views of the ressurection of Sylar!?

Does he think he's nathan?
Will he bother Matt?
Gahhh!
pawn6545
lamest part of the whole episode. angry.gif
brandonb90
Sylar is NOT back. Sylar is chilling in Matt's mind. Gabriel, however, is alive and kicking.
akira410

At first I was thinking: "Yay, zombie!"

then I saw who it was and thought, "oh... that's not gonna be good."
baottousai
I like how both topics have practically the same title.
and OMG. Yes and no. That means more Sylar but less Nathan. Noooo D:
baottousai
It was creepy and very cliche but yay for ZQ?
jbs829
Still nathan, I think when he died and healed he just returned to his bodies normal shape, which is sylar. Sylars real concious is still trapped inside matts head
delusions_of_grandeur
Very apropos given the fact that Halloween isn't that far away. biggrin.gif

*goes to request a screen shot in the screen shot thread*
SuperZero0
Sylar is back but his mind is still Nathan..
Leek
WOOOOHOOOOOO


WELCOME BACK..body of Sylar.
jenn3539
I'm not sure I understand why Sylar's body regenerated back into Sylar rather than Nathan.
baottousai
Yea you could tell from the promo for next week's episode. I feel even more sorry for Nathan now he's gonna be so confused D:
EvolutionisNear
QUOTE (baottousai @ Oct 5 2009, 05:04 PM) *
I like how both topics have practically the same title.
and OMG. Yes and no. That means more Sylar but less Nathan. Noooo D:



Who knows maybe Angela will force matt to turn Sylar into nathan again
SuperZero0
QUOTE (jenn3539 @ Oct 5 2009, 09:07 PM) *
I'm not sure I understand why Sylar's body regenerated back into Sylar rather than Nathan.



Because the shapeshifter power turns you back to your original self when you are killed or shot i guess...and since Sylar has regen...end story. lol
demonoidx
This is going to be interesting...Sylar thinking he is Nathan and boy..Pete will he be miserable...and based on the preview..
his mom died..is the detective talking Angela?! WHO kill her sad.gif
ColorMeToxic
QUOTE (jenn3539 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:07 PM) *
I'm not sure I understand why Sylar's body regenerated back into Sylar rather than Nathan.


Cause subconsciously he was already coming back. It's hard to explain.

It's like... opposite of Candice.
MikeMc
Healing is an automatic power. When "Nathan" got killed, Sylar's power to regenerate kicked in automatically. However, it returned the body to its normal state (i.e. Sylar's body). Did that help?
ColorMeToxic
QUOTE (MikeMc @ Oct 5 2009, 08:09 PM) *
Healing is an automatic power. When "Nathan" got killed, Sylar's power to regenerate kicked in automatically. However, it returned the body to its normal state (i.e. Sylar's body). Did that help?


Very nicely put. smile.gif
Petrelli048
Maybe his body still thinks he is Sylar so that may be why we saw him in the preview and the end of the episode like that. Before the next episode is over he'll finally become Nathan again with more added confusion of course.
jenn3539
QUOTE (SuperZero0 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:09 PM) *
Because the shapeshifter power turns you back to your original self when you are killed or shot i guess...and since Sylar has regen...end story. lol


If that were true, then the original shapeshifter would have changed back after he died, but instead he retained the form of Sylar.
wherediddeango
Yea, seems like he has amnesia too. Such a novel idea lol. i wonder why he would be back though. Considering the fact that we were led to believe that sylar's personality is double booked inside of matt. Also, why would he forget that he was nathan? Sylar posing as Nathan has the same regenerative powers as claire. So whatever was in the syringe should've had on no effect him. And even if the syringe did work the bullets wouldn't have killed him. So how do they explain the amnesia and forgetting matt's mojo??
SoftBagel
QUOTE (jenn3539 @ Oct 5 2009, 08:07 PM) *
I'm not sure I understand why Sylar's body regenerated back into Sylar rather than Nathan.


HOPEFULLY that will be explained next episode. Hopefully...
I personally am very happy that Sylar (at least his body?) is back. I was having withdrawals. sliced.gif laugh.gif
rayne
cant wait til next week, great story
jenn3539
QUOTE (MikeMc @ Oct 5 2009, 08:09 PM) *
Healing is an automatic power. When "Nathan" got killed, Sylar's power to regenerate kicked in automatically. However, it returned the body to its normal state (i.e. Sylar's body). Did that help?


But only the damaged parts of his body were regenerated, i.e. the organs damaged by the bullets. It's not like his face was burned off and therefore regenerated as the original.

I suppose better to just not think about it too much.
Requiem191
What do you mean Sylar's back? He never left... glare.gif
SuperZero0
QUOTE (jenn3539 @ Oct 5 2009, 09:10 PM) *
If that were true, then the original shapeshifter would have changed back after he died, but instead he retained the form of Sylar.



Thats where the regen part comes in. Regen back to his original form. ohmy.gif. You must have missed that part. lol.
Requiem191
Everything that Nathan/Sylar is/was is exactly the same as it was this entire episode, he just now looks like Sylar rather than Nathan. He's changed physically, that's it.
wherediddeango
QUOTE (demonoidx @ Oct 5 2009, 05:09 PM) *
This is going to be interesting...Sylar thinking he is Nathan and boy..Pete will he be miserable...and based on the preview..
his mom died..is the detective talking Angela?! WHO kill her sad.gif



Remember the hitman took his ring and probaby his wallet. Not to mention he looks like Gabriel. The detective was probably questioning him for the death of Gabriel's mom back in S1. Angela will be ****** though. So much for acceptance lol.
kj777
I was shocked I thought Nathan was going to spring back up via healing, but it turned out to be Sylar. ohmy.gif
Wonder how Angela will take this.
Mettuar
QUOTE (demonoidx @ Oct 5 2009, 09:09 PM) *
This is going to be interesting...Sylar thinking he is Nathan and boy..Pete will he be miserable...and based on the preview..
his mom died..is the detective talking Angela?! WHO kill her sad.gif


I think the detective means Gabriels mother, since he never was arrested for killing her, he just went on the run afterwards, and he seems to be in gabriels form now.
Requiem191
The only problem I have? If they are going to say that he is now "Gabriel" rather than Sylar, then they have a major problem on their hands. Gabriel still has Intuitive Aptitude. As we've been told from season 3, IA causes a hunger for power, at least in Gabe/Sylar's case. If he stays as Gabriel, he should eventually hunger for power, realize what he has, and then become evil like Sylar is. It's a vital part of his ability. IA makes him evil, hunger for power.

Gabriel can't stay as a good guy, if he is a good guy at all. Not if we're to believe what happened in season 3 is still true.
ClayAikenRocks
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Oct 5 2009, 09:05 PM) *
Still nathan, I think when he died and healed he just returned to his bodies normal shape, which is sylar. Sylars real concious is still trapped inside matts head


That's what I think happened too. I look forward to 'Nathan' being all confused next episode if he discovers his new look.
bwm27
I can't wait till next week because it looks like their's going to be 2 Sylar's. The main one in Matt's head and the body which will still think he's Nathan or simply someone with no idea who he is. This is going to be fun indeed thumbsup.gif
Requiem191
Agreed. I didn't think I'd ever have to admit it this season, but I do like where Sylar's story is going this time (not counting the Matt part of it AT ALL!)
purple_tangerine
I have a feeling that "Sylar" is actually Gabriel, since it would be kinda redundant to have two Sylars...
(or maybe I'm just getting my hopes up, I liked what little we saw of Gabe (pie! waffles!))
IGotSuperPowers
QUOTE (SoftBagel @ Oct 5 2009, 06:12 PM) *
HOPEFULLY that will be explained next episode. Hopefully...
I personally am very happy that Sylar (at least his body?) is back. I was having withdrawals. sliced.gif laugh.gif



Me too. happy.gif
lennybreaks
I love the new show on monday nights at 8:00pm E, on NBC.
"Sylar and Friends" thumbsup.gif
IGotSuperPowers
Not this again. Every time there's an episode with Sylar "It's the Sylar show!!!!!"
Jason Levine
QUOTE (EvolutionisNear @ Oct 5 2009, 09:08 PM) *
Who knows maybe Angela will force matt to turn Sylar into nathan again


I'm reminded of the scene in Ghostbusters where Egon and Venkman are talking. Venkman is with "the Gatekeeper" and Egon is with "the Keymaster." Venkman suggests getting the two of them together and Egon says "that would be extraordinarily bad."

I think that Matt attempting to use his mind mojo on "Nathan In Sylar's Body" will only give "The Spirit of Sylar" a chance to jump back into his own body. And once Sylar's back in his own body, all hell will break loose! Sylarkill.gif
Ingtar
QUOTE (lennybreaks @ Oct 5 2009, 11:23 PM) *
I love the new show on monday nights at 8:00pm E, on NBC.
"Sylar and Friends" thumbsup.gif


I've been calling it the Sylar and his Food Show for awhile.
Jason Levine
My guess (no spoilers here, just honest-to-goodness guessing) is that Nathan will wake up in Sylar's body. He'll come across a police officer who will arrest him since - as far as outward appearances goes - he is Gabrial/Sylar. Nathan will be very confused about the questioning (the "killed your mother" quote from the previews). Not sure what will happen next, but I can't wait to see.

Thinking a bit further ahead, I think Matt will eventually be brought together with Nathan-In-Sylar-Skin. When that happens, I think Sylar will use Matt's power to jump back into his own body. At this point, Nathan could be gone for good or perhaps he will have stuck around long enough that he can become the "ghost" haunting Sylar. Imagine Nathan always in front of Sylar with Sylar unable to kill him and Nathan able to tap into Sylar's own powers (shapeshifting him at the wrong moment, stopping TK when Sylar tries to slice someone, etc). A bit of Karmic revenge for Sylar's earlier haunting of Matt. And what if some of Nathan's personality rubs off on Sylar like some of Sylar's seems to be rubbing off on Matt?
brunoar
Well I think he's gonna keep thinking he's Nathan until he looks himself in a mirror.

Then, he will think he is still Nathan but used the shapeshifting ability to transform into Sylar.

Anyway, the real Sylar is inside Matt's head, but he can't use any of his abilities. In the other hand, Sylar's body has all the abilities, but doesn't have his personality, so, neither of both Sylars is complete.
richie713
QUOTE (jbs829 @ Oct 5 2009, 06:05 PM) *
Still nathan, I think when he died and healed he just returned to his bodies normal shape, which is sylar. Sylars real concious is still trapped inside matts head


This.

QUOTE (richie713 @ Oct 6 2009, 01:08 PM) *
This.

wait. never mind...

QUOTE (Jason Levine @ Oct 6 2009, 07:42 AM) *
My guess (no spoilers here, just honest-to-goodness guessing) is that Nathan will wake up in Sylar's body. He'll come across a police officer who will arrest him since - as far as outward appearances goes - he is Gabrial/Sylar. Nathan will be very confused about the questioning (the "killed your mother" quote from the previews). Not sure what will happen next, but I can't wait to see.

Thinking a bit further ahead, I think Matt will eventually be brought together with Nathan-In-Sylar-Skin. When that happens, I think Sylar will use Matt's power to jump back into his own body. At this point, Nathan could be gone for good or perhaps he will have stuck around long enough that he can become the "ghost" haunting Sylar. Imagine Nathan always in front of Sylar with Sylar unable to kill him and Nathan able to tap into Sylar's own powers (shapeshifting him at the wrong moment, stopping TK when Sylar tries to slice someone, etc). A bit of Karmic revenge for Sylar's earlier haunting of Matt. And what if some of Nathan's personality rubs off on Sylar like some of Sylar's seems to be rubbing off on Matt?


This.
Petrelli048
QUOTE (Jason Levine @ Oct 6 2009, 06:42 AM) *
My guess (no spoilers here, just honest-to-goodness guessing) is that Nathan will wake up in Sylar's body. He'll come across a police officer who will arrest him since - as far as outward appearances goes - he is Gabrial/Sylar. Nathan will be very confused about the questioning (the "killed your mother" quote from the previews). Not sure what will happen next, but I can't wait to see.

Thinking a bit further ahead, I think Matt will eventually be brought together with Nathan-In-Sylar-Skin. When that happens, I think Sylar will use Matt's power to jump back into his own body. At this point, Nathan could be gone for good or perhaps he will have stuck around long enough that he can become the "ghost" haunting Sylar. Imagine Nathan always in front of Sylar with Sylar unable to kill him and Nathan able to tap into Sylar's own powers (shapeshifting him at the wrong moment, stopping TK when Sylar tries to slice someone, etc). A bit of Karmic revenge for Sylar's earlier haunting of Matt. And what if some of Nathan's personality rubs off on Sylar like some of Sylar's seems to be rubbing off on Matt?


I can definitely see this happening here. Anytime Sylar wants to take someones power Nathan will change his whole situation. We may be seeing the beginning of Sylars end here especially if the ghost of Nathan really does come about in the show. Peter and Claire will want to kill Sylar definitely when they find out about Nathan's real death. Knowing HRG, Peter, and Claire they will find a way to make Sylar's death permanent.
Rebel
QUOTE (SuperZero0 @ Oct 5 2009, 06:06 PM) *
Sylar is back but his mind is still Nathan..


I'm leaning your way. Why do I think it might be Nathan in Sylar's form? His reaction during the interrogation is not shock, surprise or fear. Its more of a lawyer's denial. Someone who is a third party.

So either he thinks he's Nathan trapped in Sylar's body or doesn't know who he is at all.

He might not even know he's Gabriel Gray until he's told.

Here's the preview. But remember we're not allowed to mention spoilers except in spoiler brackets.

http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/200...ndness-new.html
brunoar
QUOTE (Petrelli048 @ Oct 6 2009, 06:56 PM) *
We may be seeing the beginning of Sylars end here especially if the ghost of Nathan really does come about in the show.


I don't think that will happen, because Nathan actually don't exist, he's only a fictitious set of thoughts and memories created by Matt, which are very similar (for not saying identical) to real Nathan's (R.I.P.) personality and memories, that have been put into Sylar's body. And Sylar's personality and memories were taken off his body, and they are now in Matt's head.

So, if Sylar's mind returns to Sylar's body (mind, body and soul together again), Sylar would be complete and that fictitious thoughts and memories of Nathan created by Matt would be dissmissed by Sylar automaticaly.

My point is that if Sylar gets completed again, "Nathan" will dissapear and it won't produce a MPD on Sylar.
CurtisHinson
I'm thinking there won't be any MPD with Nathan and Sylar if he does indeed become restored fully (body and mind). It certainly seems that "Nathan" will be confused as to why he looks like Gabriel Gray. I can't see any reason why he would figure out what happened on his own.
IGotSuperPowers
QUOTE (Ingtar @ Oct 6 2009, 07:41 AM) *
I've been calling it the Sylar and his Food Show for awhile.



But to make that comment for this episode, seriously? He was in the last five seconds of the episode, and all of a sudden it's "the Sylar show" again?
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