Clearly HRG had a whole file on everybody's favorite Carnival workers from his days at Primatech. What do you think occurred between them?

From the sounds of it, perhaps Noah went on a bag and tag, or was in constant pursuit of the ever-on-the-run Sullivan brothers. Samuel knew Bennet well, and also knew that he had retired.

I am very interested to find out more. What do you guys think?

i love the mystery of it n cant wait 2 find out

It seemed to me that Ol' Sammy is scared out of his mind of HRG. This guy was good at bagging and tagging and apparently has some history with the Family. Now that he is retired, which Samuel kept tabs on for some reason (which means he should know all about Claire, technically), HRG is out of the picture. Samuel doesn't want to mess with HRG at all. He doesn't want to aggravate him or bring him into the fold of things at all. It would be bad for the Family, at least that's what I think Samuel is thinking...

Yeah.

Samuel must have kept this info to himself, because wouldn't he have known HRG was involved when Edgar saw him? So I sort of assume Edgar didn't have any reason to recognize him.

True. Maybe only the older carnies like Samuel, Joseph, and Arnold (old man dying from using Space-Time Manipulation) know about HRG and the Company whereas the third generation recruits like Lydia and Edgar were 'sheltered' from that knowledge of 'bad people.' Hence they were given odd, but heavily enforced rules such as not having cell phones (that the Company could use to track them?)

i agree with most of whats been said here. i find it odd that samuel recognized HRG but HRG didn't know edgar or about the compass. i wonder if HRG had a run in a long time ago with the company and has been "on the run" ever since, all the while keeping tabs on them by using Lydia.

I just assumed that while HRG probably didn't find many of the carnies, I'm sure some must have been bagged'n'tagged at some point, if nothing else than before they joined the carnival. And even if they somehow haven't, Samuel would probably need to know some of the key company players in order to keep clear of them.

Umm where was this said and or written. He looked to be dying of old age to me

Whatever he's dying of, it doesn't really matter. He's an old guy who is dying and also has some control over space and time like Hiro. No need to nitpick at something that doesn't have any bearing on the discussion at hand.

Hmm, I think its very valid to the discussion actually. Reading that the assumption is made that indviduals with that ability will eventually die from that. I wanted to know if I missed something. Thanx

It actually does kind of make a difference. Hiro, the only other time traveler we've known to date, is dying seemingly from use of his power. If it had been said that the same was happening to this guy, well. Obviously you could put two and two together.

(which it wasn't I'm just saying had such been the case lol)

Make a difference in the show? Of course it would. Make a difference to the topic discussion though? Not really. I was under the impression that this topic is about The Company's involvement with the Carnival, not if Arnold was also dying from using his time-based abilities.

(Not picking on you Leek, lol, it's just that we'd be going way off topic if we started a chat on why Arnold is dying and whether or not it somehow has any bearing on Hiro's situation. Good discussion, yeah, but it doesn't have to do with what we are currently talking about.)

I would assume at his age, he would have been using his ability his whole life, and is apparently just dying now in his old age. I don't think they are connected. If Hiro hadn't lost his power and had it reactivated, he would not be suffering from his power. F_Hiro in the original timeline had no problems.



If Hiro could have just listened to instructions and not opened that safe... and been a Hero and not a child... none of this would have happened to him.

I agree with Requiem here, we shouldn't be debating about why is Arnold dying, since this topic is about the linkings between Samuel Sullivan and Noah Bennet.

As for it, I think (as most of you) that Noah tried to bag and tag Samuel or any other Carnie. The Carnival may be running as a hiding place for evolved humans. But now that Primatech doesn't exists anymore and HRG is retired, they stopped moving, as Samuel said to Arnold.

I was thinking that Noah and Samuel may have known each other but not necessarily due to the whole bag and tag thing. But then I realized Samuel said "he's retired, he's no longer interested in us", so I discarded that option.

But he did go kinda crazy when Lydia showed Bennet to him, so Samuel obviously fears Noah.

Another thing that caught my attention was that Noah appeared to know already about the compass, since he had a newspaper article with the title of "The Compass that changes the world". Why wouldn't he tell Peter about it and play fool?

I apologize for causing a tangent, everyone.

Going back to Samuel and HRG, I stewed on it, what if HRG bagged Joseph and Samuel's parents and Samuel was hiding and witnessed the whole thing. Then maybe, they were returned home with their memories wiped by the Haitian, causing confusion among the sons. The trauma caused him to internalize it and be wary of authority figures and ultimately influenced him to reject his life and run way to the Carnival.

But HRG and Samuel are kinda the same age (few years more or less). So... I don't think Samuel would just "watch hiding" as Noah bagged and tagged his parents. He would have probably done something, even if he didn't know about his ability.

Personally, I think Hiro's dying because of the his ability being re-awakened by Baby Parkman after Daddy Petrelli stole it.


This +1 billion

Dang, you're right. I guess it had to do with Joseph's death. I'd wager Danko and HRG were present circa Volume 4.

Ummm... What? Sorry, but I didn't get what you meant, would you explain?

You're saying that in Volumen 4, Noah and Danko were near the carnival?

Well, Danko had a compass from on the carnies (Samuel or Joseph's?). So obviously Danko had some sort of involvement with the carnival. And since he didnt start the roundup brigade until volume 4, you can easily put two and two together that, at the very least, Danko had encountered the carnival before.

Oh, right!

Yeah, but we actually don't know if Danko made contact with the carnies before Building 26. I think he already knew about the existence of people with abilities.

But yes, I agree there's something misterious about the fact that Danko had the key for getting a compass. I think the compass was Joseph's. Maybe Danko killed Joseph... Although I think Samuel himself killed Joseph.