That something was up when Nathan showed him the TK? I found his "it runs in the family" explanation less than satisfying. Do you think he really thought it was as simple as that? I can't remember if Peter ever knew that Angela "fed" that power of remembering objects' histories to Sylar.

peter just figures that he n his dad had same power n thought it was just logical 2 think that nathan finally has it now but peter will be ****** when he fines out whats really goin on.

My guess he just said that because he figured if both he an his dad could do it why nohis brother. then again he probably isn't thinking straight maybe cause hes been busy and his mind might be on that compass now. who knows

Yeah I mean, in all reality, it would be a little whack for his first assumption to be "This isn't really my brother, my brother is dead and this is somebody impersonating him."


The reasonably conclusion is that Nathan developed empathic capabilities. Also explains the memory troubles.

Not only that, but he's been ignoring Nathan completely and utterly. Peter doesn't want to talk to Nathan or be a part of his life anymore. He just found the easiest reason to explain away what Nathan showed him.

Agreed!

Isn't Peter more aware of how powers work than that though? He also knows that Nathan's powers were artificial. There's been nothing for years to suggest that Nathan has any power besides flight and now all of a sudden Nathan just happens to have all powers that Sylar had?

I dunno, I thought he'd be at least a little bit more surprised and eager to figure out what was going on. The old Peter would have said, "Let's call Dr. Suresh and get to the bottom of this!"

I know Nathan knows his powers were artificial, but does Peter know?

And, Peter knows enough that powers can change and manifest.

Yes, he should know something is up. But again, it is his brother, he is trying to leave mystery alone and get on with his life, and who would want to think that sometime terrible is going on with their only brother anyhow?

Exactly. Peter may know more about abilities than most people (barring the old people, Angela and HRG), but that doesn't make him an authority on abilities at all. Like I said, he just wanted Nathan gone and wasn't really interested in what was going on with him. It wasn't important to Peter, not in any way.

Actually, I don't think Peter knew this. Sylar revealed it to Nathan. I guess "Nathan"'s memories don't include that important moment.

I dont think Peter knows. The only people who knew about that were Matt (I think), Angela, Noah, Luke (from last season if he guesed), and possibly claire since I remember a scene where after Sylar grabbed her to save her from a vortex, he talked about feeling her emotion, but Im not sure if he was talking to Noah or Claire at that point

Right. It doesn't matter if he knows Nathan's flight is artificial. Nathan could just be a late bloomer and his real power could have just manifested. That's the reasonable explanation Peter has made. We know it is wrong, but Peter has no reason to come up with a different explanation.

Yeah, I was def looking for more concern/more of a reaction. I mean, it doesn't even necessarily have to do with shock, maybe jealousy or something, seeing as Pete's power isn't the "swiss army knife" it used to be anymore

Agreed. Peter doesn't care about Nathan anymore and won't care when he founds out that Nathan died either.

But really I think the writers just don't care enough to write a reaction for Peter.

It's not that he doesn't care. When he finds out that Nathan is dead, he better go bat-**** crazy on Sylar and kill him. Just, at the moment, Nathan and his family and the Company have been nothing but bad news for him in the past, which leads him to stay away from them as much as possible. This was the first time we've seen Peter and Nathan talk, so if had had more of a reaction than we saw in that scene, then it wouldn't have made too much sense.

Had Peter been talking and chatting with Nathan and kept up relations with everyone, then he definitely would have had a shocked/jealous reaction to what Nathan reveals to him.

It just would have been foolish to have Peter do anymore than he already did in that scene. :/

Ouch that hurt LOL




Nah I don't think so he is still his brother He will care the writers are smarter than that

That is a fairy shallow way to look at the situation given all we know about these characters.

Peter has two phases: Get crazy into something, and avoid any actual problem at all costs.

Right now he is in his avoid phase. He is trying to live a separate life, a new life, as much as he can. I actually do not blame him in this case. He is keeping his nose clean, trying to be helpful. Is it getting a bit absurd in how detached he is being? Yes. But over the past years he has had a lot to deal with, a lot of trauma in his life, and I guess separating himself from it is how he is dealing.

It wasn't that he didn't have a reaction, it is that he couldn't allow himself to.

I wouldn't bet on that.




I wish I had your faith in the writers.

It isn't faith as much as it is logic lol

LOL just try talking to me I'm so optimistic I will drive you nuts!

Well I guess you'll just have to be optimistic enough for the both of us.

Yeah once again there is simply reasoning as to his reaction.

Nothing "for years"? I think you need to keep in mind, here, that this entire series thus far has taken place within two years' worth of "in-universe" time. Nathan and Peter have only known about Nathan's flight since the day Peter jumped off the rooftop at the end of episode 1. There were a couple months between then and the events of the finale, then another four months to the start of Season II, another month or so for Season II's events, perhaps a few months for Season III, and then six weeks more 'till the start of Season IV. It isn't as though Nathan has only been able to fly since he was a small child, then suddenly started manifesting this amazing new array of abilities at age 40; the very existence of powers is something he and Peter both just discovered a year-and-a-half ago.

In that time, Peter has had plenty of exposure to the idiosyncratic operation of powers (for example, at first he thought he could only use powers when he was around the "source" individauls, but eventually developed the ability to "retain" powers indefinitely, and when he recovered his power after losing it, it came back substantially different than it had originally been), and truthfully, he hasn't seemed terribly curious about it all by and large. When he lost his powers in Volume III, I was surprised he wasn't more distressed, and after it turned out they had come back differently (and less effectively) for Volume IV, he basically handwaved the fact and said "I dunno" when Tracy asked him about it. Furthermore, it seems that at the moment Peter is very wrapped up in his own business (the whole "paramedic-as-cover-for-superheroism" gig) and doesn't want to get wrapped up in more of the "journey-of-self-discovery-accompanied-by-Nathan-and-various-other-fellow-Specials" business he's been at for the last three seasons, and not without reason, given the consistently near-catastrophic results these ventures have had.

After all the crazy things he's seen in recent months, and given that both Peter and his father had multiple-power-absorption abilities, there is really no reason it should be too terribly earth-shattering to Peter that Nathan would manifest a similar proclivity anyway.

I am so excited to see when Peter finds out.

I hate it when people say Peter "developed" the ability to retain, he always retained. The whole first season was practically based on it.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm surprised Peter didn't say "Gimme another hug, bro" while thinking 'In another second that swiss army knife power is MINE! MWAHAHA!'

We know it's a good thing he didn't but still...

He's running everywhere; to accidents, all around town to find Samuel, to Noah's house in another city, to get himself some clam chowder in Boston, to get Noah some clam chowder in Boston...

And, when Nathan showed him his telekinesis, didn't Peter smile and have that "Cool!" look on his face? Very different from the reaction Nathan had.

I'm kind of perplexed as to why Peter didn't kind of freak out when Nathan showed him the telekinesis since as far as Peter knows, Nathan's only ability is to fly. So I'm kind of confused.

Well, Peter knows abilities can change. He also has a variation of Arthur's ability. It's not crazy for him to assume that the ability to have multiple abilities runs in the family.

QFT. Of course Peter cares about Nathan. It's just that he doesn't know there's anything wrong with him, it was a bad moment, AND I saw Peter's reaction as part of a slightly lighter outlook on life. It's what Milo said would be a cornerstone of Peter's behaviour in season 4. It was a very similar reaction to when the broken compass started to spin at the hospital when he took it from Noah.

Peter became very concerned when Nathan talked about "seeing things". He even offered to accompany Nathan to Millie.

And there was definitely some jealousy when Nathan said something about being a Swiss army knife* of powers, and Peter remarked it ran in the family.

*very funny expression, by the way. My hubby always uses it for R2-D2.

lol! oh my, can you imagine how messy that would have been. i'm hoping peter has learned his lesson now about those good ol' "nathan hugs" anyway.

back to the discussion at hand...

i actually really enjoyed the moment when peter and nathan first saw each other. for the past couple of episodes it's been lingering like, why hasn't peter been in touch? does he know? does he suspect that something's different?

and when the two characters met, you saw it in peter's face (and in the hug) that he's really just been so wrapped up in everything that he hasn't kept in touch. his apology, to me, felt sincere. but then again, i'm also feeling like he could just be getting the brotherly stuff out of the way to keep nathan off his back and not dig deeper into the issue.

regardless of the moment, i like how this scene played out and confirmed that peter still believes this is his brother, in one way or another.

i like that angela, noah and matt are still the only ones catching on to anything. if peter did suspect or know this early on, i think it would have made the plot messy. at least let some of the internal struggle (matt in sylar's head, sylar's body with nathan's memories, matt's conscience, angela's anxiety and noah... well noah's been cool, hasn't he? lol) play out a bit before bringing other characters into the plot.

Can someone tell me what he was saying to the nurse just before Nathan arrived? Did it have anything to do with either the dropped lawsuit, or the accusations from his department about "glory hounding", or did it just fall under "stress on the job"?

Stress on the job: He was talking about some guy not telling them he was diabetic.

Ah! Thanks a lot!

I don't understand Peter when he's stressed. Can you tell I'm having a hard time this season?

[To clear one thing up: Empathy doesn't simply work by touching someone, you must be wanting that power. Otherwise nothing happens. Sylar was able to absorb Elle's power because A. he was connected with her and with himself. B. he desired to have her power. Peter was not eager to obtain Samuel's power or Nathan's.]


I felt that Peter was pretending to be the usual careing son & brother, rather than actually being one. I mean, he also excused himself dimplomatically for not returning Nathan's calls. Bull, because in the past he would have always found time to call family.

Maybe:
A. Peter is actually aware about what happened to Nathan, just not speaking about it.
B. Peter is pretending to not be too interested in the whole "I'm special" issue when he is with Nathan, since he knows what his brother is capable of doing (locking people up in a facility, etc).

(option B seems more plausible to me at the moment)

I completely agree about plotline B. Peter suspecting that there's something wrong with "Nathan" is not allowed to happen off-stage. I expect that to be a major storyline as the volume unfolds. I say Peter has no idea. Why should he? What Angela did was so atrocious that Peter would never believe her capable of it - and he knows her to be capable of quite a bit.

And it works for me that Peter isn't quite as cordial where "Nathan" is concerned as he used to be. There's a lot that was never resolved about last volume. In fact, the "I love you, Pete" - "I love you too" - just before the fight against Sylar seemed incongruous when you consider how mad Peter was at Nathan just before that, it was Peter who jumped over his own shadow and forgave Nathan, even though the latter never said "sorry". I guess it was just there because the writers couldn't have killed Nathan without having a bit of a Petrelli reconciliation first. But even so, there was still some anger gnawing at Peter, and the relationship between him and Nathan has been strained for as long as the end of volume three. We haven't had any non-fake hugs since then.

*Sigh.*

To be honest, I'm surprised that Peter didn't notice that something was a little out of place with regard to Nathan. I mean, for years Peter has known that Nathan only had flight. Then all of a sudden he has telekinesis and he tells Peter he's remembering memories that aren't his own? Uhhhh. Bit hard to believe that Peter doesn't know that something's up.

For years? Hm, no. Just one year has passed since season one.

I agree that his reaction was slightly too relaxed, even excited. But I still don't think that Peter could be suspicious in any way.

As far as him knowing, Peter has no reason to beluve anything is wrong. After all, he thought he could only fly at first. Why would Nathan be any different?
The thing that surprised me was that he didn't try copy his power, considering he now thinks nathan has some form of empathy. After all, it's him who wanted enough powers to help everyone.

[To clear one thing up: Empathy doesn't simply work by touching someone, you must be wanting that power. Otherwise nothing happens. Sylar was able to absorb Elle's power because A. he was connected with her and with himself. B. he desired to have her power. Peter was not eager to obtain Samuel's power or Nathan's.]


I think (at least for first season) it was a little less controlled than that. Granted, Peter wanted to 'save the world', and maybe 'Be special'..But I don't think he knew enough to actively wish he had the 'Power to dream the future'...or 'the power to heal myself from anything'...At most he wanted to know what was going on, and a fervent desire not to die...And, who doesn't? I really don't think he wanted Ted's power, either. I'm pretty sure he actively DIDN'T want Ted's power. Not much on the emotional linkage there, either. He didn't know the man.

If Peter still had his original power, I doubt he'd have the choice he has now, as to what power he gets. I think the reason he's so limited now, is when he took the artificial power serum, he subconsciously wanted both the multiple powers, AND control of them.

That's a good one