Synch
Oct 12 2009, 05:03 PM
I didn't think the carnival had a teleporter?
kj777
Oct 12 2009, 05:05 PM
not sure but I thought he moved the whole earth under the carnival.
Agent42
Oct 12 2009, 05:05 PM
It actually looked a little hazy and dreamy, like someone had cloaked the entire carnival -- or the carnival itself was an illusion.
Synch
Oct 12 2009, 05:07 PM
Yeah. But then you have the problem of how Sylar got there..
Jumper
Oct 12 2009, 05:07 PM
or they could of used a teleporter and someone with Illusion to get Sylar. I dunno.
Requiem191
Oct 12 2009, 05:09 PM
Yeah Synch, you'll need to be a bit more descriptive. I thought you were referring to the fact that the new Invisible Girl was able to move from the Carnival to the College that fast. She did have the same clothes on as she did for Rush when she want to see Samuel. Of course, maybe Arnold the Old Man Space/Time manipulator moved her around, I dunno.
Still as for the ending, it wasn't teleportation. The just put an illusion on everyone except Sylar so they couldn't see the Carnival.
SuperZero0
Oct 12 2009, 05:13 PM
Definitely an illusion...I mean there has to be one in that carny group. :/
prander
Oct 12 2009, 05:16 PM
My first guess was some kind of illusion or something that affected their vision and hearing.
kj777
Oct 12 2009, 05:18 PM
Yeah the illusion explanation makes more sense I guess they would of heard the ground move.
ClayAikenRocks
Oct 12 2009, 05:24 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Oct 12 2009, 09:03 PM)

I didn't think the carnival had a teleporter?
Don't be some limited in your thinking! The show is about super powers! Here's two examples in two seconds of thinking:
Someone opened up a wormhole, and Sylar walked into it.
They may not have a teleporter, but perhaps the carnival itself is special in some way, perhaps IT can teleport.
Requiem191
Oct 12 2009, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (ClayAikenRocks @ Oct 12 2009, 08:24 PM)

Don't be some limited in your thinking! The show is about super powers! Here's two examples in two seconds of thinking:
Someone opened up a wormhole, and Sylar walked into it.
They may not have a teleporter, but perhaps the carnival itself is special in some way, perhaps IT can teleport.
Wormhole might make sense if we had seen some sort of portal to suggest that's what happened.
As for a Magic Carnival... no. Just no. People can be special and they can sometimes manipulate other things to be special for a limited time perhaps, but making the Carnival itself as some sort of entity just goes too far. The Illusion explanation makes sense. Hell, like Synch mistakenly suggested, maybe the Carnival was teleported away. The Carnival itself is not special.
ClayAikenRocks
Oct 12 2009, 05:31 PM
I don't care what you think about my two seconds of hypothesizing. The fact remains, on a show with super powers, there is much more than one way to do something. The carinival does not need a teleporter.
Requiem191
Oct 12 2009, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (ClayAikenRocks @ Oct 12 2009, 08:31 PM)

I don't care what you think about my two seconds of hypothesizing. The fact remains, on a show with super powers, there is much more than one way to do something. The carinival does not need a teleporter.
Never said they needed a teleporter. I'm of the opinion that an illusionist was at work here.
I was merely stating my opinion that the Carnival itself is not Special. No need to jump down my throat kid.
Oobe
Oct 12 2009, 05:36 PM
I thought it was an illusion aswell!
But then I thought that it could be possible that Samuel moved the ground or something, not sure, It wasnt filmed well...
maybe we'll find out next week..
MikeMc
Oct 12 2009, 05:38 PM
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 12 2009, 08:34 PM)

I was merely stating my opinion that the Carnival itself is not Special.
HEC! Highly Evolved Carnival!!

Sorry, I had to...lol
prander
Oct 12 2009, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (Oobe @ Oct 12 2009, 08:36 PM)

I thought it was an illusion aswell!
But then I thought that it could be possible that Samuel moved the ground or something, not sure, It wasnt filmed well...
maybe we'll find out next week..
Unless the entire Carnival was buried under the ground, I don't see how "moving the ground" could "hide" the sounds of the carnival.
gabrielsgirl
Oct 12 2009, 05:50 PM
Maybe the whole carnival acts like Samuel's compass. . .meaning it is only visible or works for "special" people. It's possible that people without abilities cannot perceive it unless they are "allowed" in. That would allow normal people to visit the carnival during regular operating hours (to keep their cover), and it would keep other normal people (like Noah Bennet) from dropping in on and ambushing the family the rest of the time. That would insure a measure of safety without having to have an illusionist keeping watch at the entrance all the time.
Begemot Geroi
Oct 12 2009, 05:55 PM
I dunno. He did say something in a previous scene about needing to "pick up their roots" or something like that, and then there was the scene with Sylar and the carnival.
I'm not sure if it was an illusion, or if they have someone there who can teleport entire locations.
Requiem191
Oct 12 2009, 06:03 PM
Well, I think the roots was more referring to the people and not the physical Carnival itself. They are a family and they're bringing people together in their own twisted little version of the world. Maybe Samuel is looking to make a change. We know he's up to something by wanting to bring our Heroes into the Carnival fold, but maybe he's up to more than that. Perhaps he thinks the Carnival is just something that they're all hiding behind and he wants to really unite all of the special people out there under one "roof", as one big family. He does have that sort of creepy cult leader feel to him and it seems up his alley to try and make big changes in the world. I think his ability to move the earth is more than literal and is also meant to be taken metaphorically.
Just thoughts I had.
LowerTheBar
Oct 12 2009, 06:32 PM
Dang. I thought I was going to be original suggesting an illusionist.
Leek
Oct 12 2009, 06:35 PM
Actually, I speculated that the Fortune Telling lady was an illusionist, based on her appearance in one of the GNs where she changed form an old haggard lady to a young woman. So that is something to keep in mind.
mrmichaelt
Oct 12 2009, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (SuperZero0 @ Oct 12 2009, 03:13 PM)

Definitely an illusion...I mean there has to be one in that carny group. :/
There is. His name is Callum. He appeared on iStory Book Six's last chapter. However, because of that we don't know what he looks like.
Munky
Oct 13 2009, 04:52 AM
QUOTE (ClayAikenRocks @ Oct 12 2009, 08:24 PM)

Don't be some limited in your thinking! The show is about super powers! Here's two examples in two seconds of thinking:
Someone opened up a wormhole, and Sylar walked into it.
They may not have a teleporter, but perhaps the carnival itself is special in some way, perhaps IT can teleport.
Stop trying to make the season suck.
ClayAikenRocks
Oct 13 2009, 06:53 AM
QUOTE (Munky @ Oct 13 2009, 08:52 AM)

Stop trying to make the season suck.
ROFLOL. Since my only point is something other than teleportation can explain the disappearing carnival, how exactly does that make the season suck? I mean come on, when it is revealed that the carnival trick was not the result of Hiro-type teleportation (as if Hiro could even move a whole carnival) would the season all of a sudden suck for you? I doubt it.
SylarFan6
Oct 13 2009, 07:01 AM
QUOTE (kj777 @ Oct 12 2009, 08:05 PM)

not sure but I thought he moved the whole earth under the carnival.
thats what i thought also.
Sinister
Oct 13 2009, 07:11 AM
I could think of a dozen reasons how the carnival could be there and then not be there. None of them are realistic because this is a fictional show. So I just accepted it as is. Figure the same way how Samual seems to be able to get around so easily is the same way the carnival can move about easily.
brunoar
Oct 13 2009, 09:08 AM
It seems like we all here are confused, no?
When I saw it, I assumed that it was Samuel, who moved the earth and the whole carnival with it. But then, when the episode finished, I also assumed that was a bit... too much LOL
Then, I thought about teleportation, and ilussion. Teleportation and I thought of Arnold, but he's dying and he doesn't seem to be as powerful nowadays. And Ilusion, yeah, there could be someone, and I bet there is, but come one, is that really likely?
And then, something came into my mind. What about Rebecca? Yeah, the invisible girl. If you remember, Claude could make other things invisible as well, and probably Rebecca also can.
Probably, there's an ability recharger with the carnies. He could easily recharge Rebecca and then, she made the whole Carnival invisible.
conspiracytheory
Oct 13 2009, 10:08 AM
Samuel controls earth. He probably picked up the carnival and moved it elsewhere on the earth.
"Looks like we're pulling up stakes."
GoldSeven
Oct 13 2009, 10:35 AM
It didn't really matter to me - it was a cool effect.
I had the impression that it was an illusion. Probably the carnival was never there, but Sylar was "summoned". The blurry quality of the images when Samuel beckons Sylar in look dreamline enough that I don't assume Samuel bodily moved the entire Carnival. They have so many people with abilities there that it seems perfectly plausible that Sylar can be summoned to it and vanish right under the policemen's noses.
Bradthebold
Oct 13 2009, 10:55 AM
I got the feeling that the "carnival" is not in a defined physical location. Maybe it has to do with manipulating "time and space" as Hiro likes to say.
Supporting the theory:The Sylar scene suggests that the carnival can appear and disappear quickly.
Lydia said in the "slow burn" mini episode "I ran, and ended up here". That could be literal, or suggest that it appeared when she needed it.
Samuel and Wraith girl seem to cover great distances in no time.
Samuel says they need a new time traveler. (to bend time and space for the carnival?)
The carnival disappears with the same "woosh" that happens when Hiro blinks out.
Against this theory: Lydia gets cell phone reception. But hey Sprint does have the most 3g coverage, perhaps they cover extradimensional secret lairs.
jbs829
Oct 13 2009, 03:26 PM
i dont think that he moved the earth under the whole carnival, even for this show thats a bit ridiculous. its more likely that they move the carnival some other way. What are the odds that the carnival just happens to be in a field where sylar is running
just seems a bit too coincidental to me
symbiotic
Oct 13 2009, 11:14 PM
Carnival Theory / Compass Connection -
What if the stakes that hold the carnival in place are connected to the compass somehow? It spins wildly when the carnival is in one spot, but when the stakes are pulled up, it points to where the carnival should go next? Possibly to the location of another special? This works in reverse for a special outside the carnival. They would hold the compass, and it would point to home - the carnival.
p.s. thank you saber for putting this in a paragraph that is readable, and not sounding like the complete and utter nonsense I was trying to type at 3AM in the morning!
SaberProductions
Oct 13 2009, 11:22 PM
I definitely agree with the idea of the carnival location being determined by the compass. And, also, with the compass pointing to home when outside of the carnival. What remains to be seen is exactly HOW the Samuel utilizes the compass in the move besides as a way to determine where they are headed.

Does it have a special effect on the move?
Raekon
Oct 13 2009, 11:22 PM
When Sylar followed Samuel in the place, some lights were flickering a bit and some parts were looking as if he would be dizzy or something. That could imply that either invinsibility or illusions were into play or that sylar was just a bit dizzy due to the happenings.
However, the dissappearance was definately the work of a illusionist. Except if Becky is that powerful already that she can make such a big place all invinsible at once but I rather doubt it cause in the case of invinsibility the agents would stumble upon everything and find out that its there while in the case of a illusion they wouldn't even sense that it is there even if they would go over a tent.
highflyingempath
Oct 14 2009, 03:01 AM
I'm pretty sure we're seeing a Magic Carnival. I think the carnival is either able to teleport, rather than it being moved or hidden by Samuel's terrakinesis or a Special with teleportation or illusionist abilities. Or even that it's more like it's in a special netherworld where it can appear and disappear and be visible and invisible.
This was how I saw it when the lights appeared and then disappeared. This also ties in with the fact that the specific location has never been clear, and the way that Invisible Girl was able to get back to the college so quick.
But the clincher for me is Hiro. Sure, carnival's move from place to place, but how many move from continent to continent? Only very Special ones. And Samuel's gravity-defying trick might be down to ferrokinesis, but it might also be that the carnival exists somewhere outside the normal laws of physics...
I like it. I like the way that the Heroes have run away with the circus, outside normality, finding new brethren and sistren... I think it's a great development (and really liked this episode, by far my favourite of the season so far.
mrmichaelt
Oct 14 2009, 11:27 AM
QUOTE (highflyingempath @ Oct 14 2009, 01:01 AM)

I'm pretty sure we're seeing a Magic Carnival. I think the carnival is either able to teleport, rather than it being moved or hidden by Samuel's terrakinesis or a Special with teleportation or illusionist abilities. Or even that it's more like it's in a special netherworld where it can appear and disappear and be visible and invisible.
This was how I saw it when the lights appeared and then disappeared. This also ties in with the fact that the specific location has never been clear, and the way that Invisible Girl was able to get back to the college so quick.
But the clincher for me is Hiro. Sure, carnival's move from place to place, but how many move from continent to continent? Only very Special ones. And Samuel's gravity-defying trick might be down to ferrokinesis, but it might also be that the carnival exists somewhere outside the normal laws of physics...
I like it. I like the way that the Heroes have run away with the circus, outside normality, finding new brethren and sistren... I think it's a great development (and really liked this episode, by far my favourite of the season so far.
Interesting theory, could be a special with a dimensional phasing ability. A minor character or two on Heroes Evolution had that power. But in the back of my head, it sounds a little too
Lost.
aulduron
Oct 14 2009, 03:22 PM
As a carny, I pay particular attention to the carnival. One of the first balks I had was them playing both the US and Japan. There are other problems I had, but they'd be cleared up by a teleporting carnival, or a place that can be accessed from different places.
I think the carnival itself is a manifestation of somebody, or everybody's power. The compass probably plays it's part in this. I think Samuel wants to make the carnival bigger by bringing more people in, while his brother wanted to keep it small.
Edit: it is of note that they used Hiro's teleporting sound effect when it appeared.
Linara
Oct 15 2009, 12:15 AM
QUOTE (aulduron @ Oct 14 2009, 06:22 PM)

As a carny, I pay particular attention to the carnival. One of the first balks I had was them playing both the US and Japan. There are other problems I had, but they'd be cleared up by a teleporting carnival, or a place that can be accessed from different places.
I think the carnival itself is a manifestation of somebody, or everybody's power. The compass probably plays it's part in this. I think Samuel wants to make the carnival bigger by bringing more people in, while his brother wanted to keep it small.
Edit: it is of note that they used Hiro's teleporting sound effect when it appeared.
We were discussing it at work, and we all think that the carnival is existing outside of space and time, as well. Since it seems to be manifesting in several locations at the same time...we think the compass lets them know where it can be accessed., when they aren't in it. Thus the comment 'find your way home' when Samuel dropped Joseph's compass into the grave.
I think Danko took the compass, hoping to figure out how to get it to work, so he could get to all the specials hiding there.
When Samuel said 'we're pulling up stakes'...I think that meant that he was closing all the access points to the other spots. So once Sylar was inside...he closed it off, thus keeping the officers from getting in.
As far as who the heck has that level of power, I have no clue. I'm leaning towards the old time traveller guy...but who knows.
FlyingGirl
Oct 15 2009, 06:05 AM
I have no idea how it did it, but it was awesome so for now I don't mind.
Rosefire
Oct 15 2009, 09:16 AM
QUOTE (FlyingGirl @ Oct 15 2009, 07:05 AM)

I have no idea how it did it, but it was awesome so for now I don't mind.
Theory: Romulan Cloaking Technology!
MagnificoG
Oct 17 2009, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (DrewDecker @ Oct 14 2009, 02:14 AM)

Carnival Theory / Compass Connection -
What if the stakes that hold the carnival in place are connected to the compass somehow? It spins wildly when the carnival is in one spot, but when the stakes are pulled up, it points to where the carnival should go next? Possibly to the location of another special? This works in reverse for a special outside the carnival. They would hold the compass, and it would point to home - the carnival.
p.s. thank you saber for putting this in a paragraph that is readable, and not sounding like the complete and utter nonsense I was trying to type at 3AM in the morning!
I think this is closest to what I imagined. I also like the other's ideas of multiple "portals" the carnival can place throught the world to bring distant "cousins' in, hence Rebecca getting to and from there so quickly. The compasses may point toward the carnival for 'specials' during "normal" hours, but during a crisis, only people with inside knowledge know where a portal is, and the compasses spin. So Sylar was walking toward a portal, through which the lights of the carnival lit up the entite hillside behind him, but for which the carnival itself was never there. It was like the door in the Holodeck for the police. (and for the smoking-hot doctor!)
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