My guess is, when he does get his 'memories' back, he will revert to Nathan's shape and think he is Nathan.

Eh. He'll be whatever he'll be.

I found it was great to see that Sylar was gone and Gabriel Grey is back in place. He's acting and behaving like he's just discovering for the first time his abilites. If they can keep this up, then Sylar will be gone forever. It was a great pursuit and escape from the authorities before Samuel showed up.

If he gets his full memories back, it'll be buffet time at the carnival!

The Nathan memories are gone and will remain so unless Gabriel touches something that belonged to Nathan. But I don't see that happening anything soon, if ever, since I think the writers have moved on from the whole Sylar thinks he's Nathan debacle. " Fake Nathan" is gone and will not make any more appearances.


Sylar still exist though but in Matt's head and will continue haunting Matt for a while more. Then, the writers will come up with some contrive way to bring Matt and Sylar's body together. Matt, who'll be fed up with Sylar's conscience in his head situation will gladly transfer it to the Sylar body.


So no Sylar is not gone forever. He will remain disembodied until the writers move on to the next story. For now, Sylar is Matt's head and Sylar's body or Gabriel will wander around confused.

RIP Fake Nathan. You will be missed.

Sort of.

I think Sylar will eventually revert back to being Sylar, but maybe with a different attitude.

zachary quinto is SUCH a good actor.
just had to say it.

I liked the whole innocence thing

Sylar as we know him is stuck in Matt's head. His memories and what not. Fakenathan is gone unless, as mentioned, Matt re-does the whole braintrick which I do not forsee happening.


He is sort of a blank slate. It is very interesting, and I wonder how it will turn out. The identity crisis continues!

Yeah. I think blank slate is the best way to describe it. He is definitely not Gabriel Gray, and of course not Sylar or fake Nathan. I had a theory that when Sylar gets back his body he would be haunted by Nathan in his head just like he is doing to Matt. But now I have a feeling that fake Nathan is really gone.

Yeah, I've always thought that ZQ was a great actor. Maybe there's a chance for Sylar's character still, at least in my eyes. I liked Innocent Gabe (even if it wasn't really Innocent Gabe, lol) this episode, even if it was a bit of a shock to see him. If this all adds up to Innocent Gabe versus Evil Sylar!Matt, then I'll be happy with it. That is, as long as Innocent Gabe survives and Evil Sylar! (sans Matt) is gone. I liked Sylar and all, but I still stand by what I've been saying. Sylar outlived his usefulness after Season 1 ended.

If we keep ZQ so that we can get Innocent Gabe, then I'll like it. It just has to make sense Story-Wise.

There is, ultimately, no such thing as innocent Gabe. He was never really innocent, was he?

Once he starts getting a taste for being special, he'll be back to his old was. That is who Gabriel Gray is.

Except it wasn't Gabriel back in place. It was a guy with basically no memories who was adamant that his name wasn't Gabriel.

Not necessarily, but this then starts us down the path of differing opinions. We've seen that Sylar/Gabe can be good, season 3 showed us that. It's not impossible to have Innocent Gabe. Do I ultimately think he should be "Innocent Gabe" in the end? No, like you said, what we know about Gabriel Gray is that he always wanted to be special. No matter who Gabriel Gray is (Innocent Gabe or Evil Sylar), he'll want to be special.

On the hand though, you mentioned a blank slate. It's possible that if you erase the Gabriel Gray-ness out of Sylar, then he'll potentially be a good guy that has a bunch of powers and doesn't want to be special. Obviously, he is neither Innocent Gabe nor Evil Sylar, but something else entirely.

It's possible that the character ZQ plays will be a good guy on the show Heroes. That's the main thing I was getting at. Names just end up mucking everything up.

We saw him down the road choosing to be good, but ultimately having the bad cloud hanging over his head. I get what you mean though were he has the potential, I was referring more to "original" Gabriel. Like pre-Sylar Gabriel.

If he doesn't have all the mental baggage that Sylar/Gabriel had then yes, it would appear he is something anew, or the adult incarnation of the Tabula Rasa.

If he just has amnesia (that is to say, plain old normal amnesia), then he'll get his Nathan memories back. This isn't a clean slate, it's not Innocent Gabe, it's a common medical event. What will be interesting is how he reacts when he remembers being Nathan, but still has a Sylar body.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that Sylar is quite gone form the body, the synaptic patterns that are Sylar's memories may still be there, just the wires are cut that gets to them. Getting metaphysical, the soul, as it appears in Sylar's case, can take copies of memories. So, if a healer got hold of the body that used to be Sylar, he may re-atatch those wires, and we could have 2 Sylars.

and Adrian Pasdar? Out?

I'm very curious about what the carnies' plans are for him.



Isn't a good Gabriel/Sylar inconsistent with what they've told us about IA and the "hunger"?

Not necessarily, since good FutureGabriel existed in the same season they brought up the hunger explanation. Even pre-Sylar Gabriel had the IA and the consequent hunger for a while (which helped him in his watch repair shop). From what I gathered, the "hunger" is a strong drive to gain knowledge (not necessarily kill people) , and that urge has formed into an additction of acquiring powers for Sylar. For him, the knowledge that is gained by studying the brain and the power it feels it gives him. Also it's a lot easier and more efficient than studying a person using a power (as he did with Elle) over the course of many days, mimicing muscle movements and practicing until he eventually gets it. Elle had to coach Sylar about what her power felt like, so it's not like Peter's empathy where he just has to touch or be near someone to gain the ability accidently

Gabriel also seems to rely on his Sylar persona as a crutch because he feels Sylar gives him everything he wants (and he does). That may change if Gabriel ever decides that being special and having power over people isn't worth it anymore (he's tried twice in previous episodes; meeting with his mother, and first dating Elle).

It's not that the Hunger cannot be controlled (Peter eventually took control after getting IA and so did FutureGabriel), but that present Sylar won't control it and prefers it that way (for now). My guess is that it's like a high libido or a drug addiction. . . It's a lot easier to let it take control over and then just blame the urge for your actions. It takes a lot of control and willpower to say "no" all the time. Sylar right now doesn't have a real reason to control his "hunger" so he just lets it take over his life it and then waves people away who accuse him of being a monster with his "I-am-what-nature-made-me-like-a-tornado-or-a-lion-eating-a-gazelle" analogy. He's addicted to the high and power it feels it gives him. The "hunger" is a convienient excuse for him to feed his addiction without troubling his conscience too much, otherwise he'd probably try a more agonizing form of suicide the next time as a penance for his crimes. But he has shown the potential to control if when we wants to, otherwise no one with a power would be safe to be in the same room as him for more than a minute. He let Micah and even Luke live, even when many people on this board screaming for Sylar to just kill the kid. Those two were both easy targets, and if they hunger was really as powerful as Sylar claims it is, he would have picked them both off in an instant, "small game" or not. Whether Gabriel finds a reason for him to gain control over his hunger or not, we'll just have to see.

The way I saw it, Sylar was often least evil when he had family around him, (thinking Future Sylar with his son, and s1 Sylar with his mother) - so maybe family is what he needs to be "good"

The character that's being played by Zachary Quinto right now is not Sylar, nor Nathan, neither Gabriel Gray. He's just a body with an empty brain. He doesn't have a personality. He's like a just born person, that's why everything is so "new" to him.

Sylar won't exist again as we know him until the Sylar inside Matt's head gets together again with Sylar's body. There we'll have a complete Sylar again.

Has anyone thought that perhaps the end solution to this will be that Matt ends up putting Sylar's conscience into another person?

I've thought of that myself and I think that would be an interesting story twist.

I'm also very curious as to where Samuel plans on taking this. It looks like he wants to wake up the real/old Sylar. All I've got to say to that is "WOW! REALLY?!" Does he think they'll bake cupcakes or something? They're all going to get pwnd.

That's interesting, and for being honest, I never thought of it.

Matt's a good guy, but in every future we've seen, he was a villain. So, he surely has some facet being careless of humanness hidden...

And it makes me think if Matt can see Sylar and comunicate with him because he has Telepathy, or if anyone who has Sylar in his mind could see it...

Very interesting, tough

Well, an interesting thought is that F_Peter had the ability to put Peter's mind into another's body, and it was never explained what power he was using or where it came from. Given the vast amount of power that Matt has, perhaps this was just a form of it that F_Peter had learned to use after the years of having it, and eventually Matt will be able to do it as well?

I call this new person Timothy.

Actually, that was an ability called "Body Insertion". But no, they never explained how F_Peter got it. However, it's not like he puts your mind into another body. It is that he puts your body into another body, because your body actually dissapears from the world. Well, it doesn't dissapear, but it's inside the other person's body.

That's too confusing, right?

Not for someone beyond a fourth grade reading comprehension.

I liked my explanation better.

I'm still a sucker for 'good' Sylar though, I guess.

I agree on the blank slate as of now. I wonder whether he even would want his old him back.

I don't think he's a Tabula Rasa...

I think it's just what's left over. Matt supressed Sylar's memories of himself. Forcefully. Told his brain that he wasn't that person. Told him he was Nathan Petrelli.

But obviously, it wasn't a complete person. Sylar never had ALL of Nathan's memories. So when Matt made 'Nathan'...it was more of a patchwork. Whatever they had of Nathan's memories, and filled it in with some innocuous memories of Sylar when he was Gabriel. No context, but there. And I think that may be one of the reasons it didn't 'take' very well. There really wasn't enough of Nathan to do the job well.

Anyway, when 'Nathan' died...since the mind 'knew' that Nathan can't heal from bullet wounds...it ended Nathan. Now...since Sylar is still being supressed by Matt's commands...the only thing that's left is the patchwork of Gabriel's memories. No context...no names...nothing but the good bits that Matt gave to 'Nathan'.

Sylar is still in there...but captive to Matt's hypnosis. And when he gets free..he's going to be rather angry, don't you think?

i'm thinking if sylar resurfaces while with the carnies, he'll do some deadly rampaging on the carnival preys. i hope that doesn't happen.

But... Do you think Samuel is going to bring someone to the carnival knowing of how dangerous could this person be? I think he took the proper cautions first. He won't risk the whole "family"...

I predict that when Matt puts evil Sylar back into good Sylar body, then good Sylar body will not like it, and evil Sylar will have a hard time trying to make his own body do evil things. Then eventually good Sylar will split the body in half and there will be two Sylars

i'm thinking of a mental battle in the blank body wherein sylar and gabriel fight a battle for dominance, and matt somehow projects it visually for everyone to see; in the battle, sylar has all powers, while gabriel has pure IA. gabriel dodges sylar's electric bolts, but is no match for his tk. however, gabriel's IA analyzes sylar's TK and tell hims that the counter attack for TK is pure and immovable willpower.

if gabriel wins, then he will "redeem" himself from his erstwhile sylar life. perfect fit for the season.

How could possibly "Gabriel" win with only IA? IA is the ability that provides the user with the capacity of understanding any complex device or mechanism... Is NOT an offensive or defensive ability.

Anyway... If Sylar's mind and Sylar's body encounter each other, Sylar's mind would probably react and somehow he would return to his body. Then, Sylar will be complete again as the psycho killer we all love and hate.

Gabriel does not exist. Sylar's body is like a vessel, he lacks of personality, he's just like a recently born person, but he can't have control over Sylar's mind.

I think if Sylar gets "awakened" in the Carnival for real, Samuel's going to have some sort of chain to put on him. There's a dozen or two people with abilities, and Samuel's made them into a cultlike group. If anyone could find a way to work together and meld their ablities to control someone like Sylar, it'd be the Carnival.

That's a good point. Why would he bring someone he knows to be dangerous into his family?

He probably thinks that he can control Sylar, set him on a "righteous path" like he said he did with Hiro. That's not going to end well. Anything with Sylar can't end well.


The whole Tabula Rasa thing is interesting with Sylar, and was a good performance, but previews would suggest that he's not going to remain blank for long. But just imagine if when "blank" he met someone like Peter or Mohinder or Claire or Bennet. He would be completely oblivious whilst they'd be freaking out. Which would be kinda hilarious to watch.

Totally agree with you. It would be great to see some of the heroes reaction when they see "blank".

As for Samuel's plan for Sylar, I think it gets closer to my theory that Joseph was an empath, who had a lot of abilities, and the "void" that needs to be filled is the conjunt of abilities that Joseph had. Why it gets closer to my theory? Because Sylar has a lot of abilities, and he may fill that void.

However, I don't see Sylar being the leader of the carnies. Maybe "blank" could be the leader along with Samuel, but Sylar definitely not.

It occurs to me...

Samuel was quite concerned with vetting Peter, so to speak, to make sure he was right for joining their little family. However, when the chips were down, and he risked losing face, he grabbed the first empath that showed up. And we all know that Sylar doesn't play well with others.

I wonder if he really NEEDS an empath...or is he just in some sort of grief driven obsession? It looks more to me like he's trying to fill Joeseph's shoes, not just fill a shopping list, so to speak.

LOL!

You made me realize that I was refering to "the void that Joseph left" as a shopping list xD Thank you for that!

And I don't know if Samuel needs an empath, but I'm sure he needs someone with the capacity to lead the carnies along with him.

I don't think Samuel grabbed the first empath that showed up... As I said before, I don't believe that Samuel would risk the family bringing someone like Sylar to the Carnival without knowing enough about him before. He surely has a plan, and a very good one, in case Sylar gets out of control

Maybe they have their own telepath who can mess with Sylar's memories. And I think we should call this new guy "Tabby", short for "Tabula Rasa".


Also, if all Samuel wants is an empath to replace Joseph, then why is he after Claire, Hiro, Tracy and others?

Well since Tabby is usually a nickname for Tabitha, or a striped cat, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.

It'd maybe be a little better if you called him "Rasa". At least that sounds a little more...I don't know...masculine...

Well... I think they want them for the following reasons:

Claire: To get some info about HRG and/or the Company. If they do have a telepath, they it doesn't matter if she refuses to give that info.

Hiro: Arnold is getting old, and Tabby doesn't have Space-Time Manipulation.

Tracy: She's powerful. She's a know face with a lot of influence in the politic world.

Tabby: To lead the family along with Samuel.

So why was he disturbed by the watches? But you are right, I think they like the idea of an empty sheet, and some ink is ready...

Its not his personality (sylars) that causes him to have to listen to watches. Its his IA that does that.

So many people have tried to control, or at least aim, Sylar and it's always ended badly for them. Surely they're not gonna do that again EXACTLY.

Which is why maybe Samuel has different plans for Tabby.


Maybe if there is a telepath at the carnival they will restore the Sylar memories but without the "essence" of Sylar that's still in Matt's head he won't really be Sylar. It would still be Tabby, but with all the memories of what happened in Sylar's life. Because he doesn't have that Sylar "essence" he will be slightly distanced from those memories and as such won't be instantly disposed to killing everyone.

Ok, I swear that made sense when I thought it out.

Actually, it does makes sense, and you're really into something!

If Tabby gets Sylar's memories, he probably won't kill becase he won't have the Hunger. I think the Hunger is like a psychological disorder (caused by IA) which is held in the mind. So, if Sylar's mind is not in Tabby, then, Tabby won't have the Hunger...

Unless he reactivates the core ability which belongs to that body. Remember that Peter also absorbed Sylar's IA, but he didn't have the Hunger until he deliberately activated it.

Sylar could conceivably get all of his memories back but not return to his old ways, if he deliberately refrains from reactivating his power.

Of course if Samuel really wanted to return Sylar to his former glory, all he'd really have to do is return his watch. If Sylar (or whoever he is) were to touch that watch every murder he committed as Sylar would come flooding back to him, thanks to his psychometry.

True.



That doesn't sound very..PG-13 material. Because Heroes is rated PG-13.



I loved it, too.




Of course, it was Innocent Gabe!



Yes he is innocent. For now.



But that will be history repeated with the taste for being special. Will we have to watch him kill people for first to last again?




I agree. Sylar isn't existing right now. I like that better. I never really like Sylar. I liked him when Angela fed him lies. He was all good guy for like....two episodes.

He won't have the personality complex of wanting to be special, because he is already the MOST special. Totally different personality.


I however am of the completley different argument that the Gabriel/Sylar memories are completely moved from the blank slate and inside Parkman, and that the last 2 months of real solid memories living as Nathan combined with the absorbed memories, will bring back the Nylar persona as soon as the amnesia passes.