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mranstey
Ok, What does it mean. What's going on with Peter?
ChicagoCubz
What does what mean?
Requiem191
I think the OP is referring to Peter's hair. I for one am thinking the same thing. Is it growing longer!? I thought they gave him a haircut, there's no way the emo bangs of doom are coming back!

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ClayAikenRocks
I am going to guess what does it mean that Peter unwittingly stole Deaf Girl's power?

I think it means that while Peter has control over his ability, he does not have perfect control. That's it.
MikeMc
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 12 2009, 08:23 PM) *
there's no way the emo bangs of doom are coming back!


Maybe not on Peter, but I did notice Sylar with some emo-like bangs going on before he got cleaned up. Hee hee... laugh.gif
Yuriko
The scene with Peter and Angela did kind of hint at Peter trying to open up to other people, although rather badly (Peter: "Let's make this about me, okay?"), so maybe Peter's ability is becoming a combination of his old empathic mimicry and his new ability replication; he can copy the ability of someone he empathizes with at the cost of losing his previous ability.

I don't know really, it's just some idle thinking.
Oobe
I thought Peter could switch his powers...?
I mean, he received Samuels power 2 episodes back, but then he suddenly didnt have it and was running fast again...
I think it's cool he has Emmas power now tho.
MikeMc
I don't think it was Peter who moved the ink in his arm, but Samuel. I don't think he acquired Sam's ability.
Oobe
QUOTE (MikeMc @ Oct 13 2009, 03:40 AM) *
I don't think it was Peter who moved the ink in his arm, but Samuel. I don't think he acquired Sam's ability.

But he did gave Samuel a handshack tho...
wich means he should get his power...?
Jade95
I loved him tonight he was so sweet with Emma it felt like season one to me though what was with his power..Empathy
prander
I think the most important thing it means is that he's "evolving" to "connect" to people again.

So I'd say that his power is "evolving" accordingly, not too unlike in Season 1. Since learning to intentionally "touch absorb," this is the first time he's "absorbed" without doing it intentionally. What that means remains to be seen. They made it look like he did it via touch, but perhaps he didn't?

Who knows what it means, maybe he's "evolving" to retain absorbed powers? Remember that in Season 1, he couldn't intentionally recall or mimic powers until he was taught to by Claude, even though he retained them.
Requiem191
QUOTE (Oobe @ Oct 12 2009, 08:38 PM) *
I thought Peter could switch his powers...?
I mean, he received Samuels power 2 episodes back, but then he suddenly didnt have it and was running fast again...
I think it's cool he has Emmas power now tho.

He never took Samuel's power. When he and Samuel shook hands, Samuel was putting his ink on Peter which then turned into the Compass.

When he brushed by Emma and touched her hand, he did indeed taker her power, but not intentionally. I think in the rush of saving her, while all of the adrenaline was still pumping in his body, he wasn't really focusing on his power and he didn't really think to turn it off, so he accidentally took her ability.

With Samuel he was cool, calm, and collected. He wasn't in distress. With Emma, he was stressed out, heart pumping fast, in a high action situation. He wasn't fully in control and he took her power.
Oobe
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 13 2009, 03:43 AM) *
He never took Samuel's power. When he and Samuel shook hands, Samuel was putting his ink on Peter which then turned into the Compass.

When he brushed by Emma and touched her hand, he did indeed taker her power, but not intentionally. I think in the rush of saving her, while all of the adrenaline was still pumping in his body, he wasn't really focusing on his power and he didn't really think to turn it off, so he accidentally took her ability.

With Samuel he was cool, calm, and collected. He wasn't in distress. With Emma, he was stressed out, heart pumping fast, in a high action situation. He wasn't fully in control and he took her power.

I see!

thx thumbsup.gif
Requiem191
QUOTE (Oobe @ Oct 12 2009, 08:45 PM) *
I see!

thx thumbsup.gif

No problem. Just a logical explanation I think.
mute90
It seemed like he might have took it because he was trying to connect with her (following after her trying to see if she was okay). His abilities reached out because he reached out. In first season, he was open to everyone and was taking everything unintentionally.
stefans
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 12 2009, 05:43 PM) *
He never took Samuel's power. When he and Samuel shook hands, Samuel was putting his ink on Peter which then turned into the Compass.

When he brushed by Emma and touched her hand, he did indeed taker her power, but not intentionally. I think in the rush of saving her, while all of the adrenaline was still pumping in his body, he wasn't really focusing on his power and he didn't really think to turn it off, so he accidentally took her ability.

With Samuel he was cool, calm, and collected. He wasn't in distress. With Emma, he was stressed out, heart pumping fast, in a high action situation. He wasn't fully in control and he took her power.


Really good explanation. I like it. My theory was it had to do with him emotionally connecting with her and his power just automatically triggered. Obviously he doesn't take the power of every special he has physical contact with.
roxygr1223
I thought the same thing
Japert
A thought you were talking about the funny way he try to speed up , that was sooo much fun, all the special music for nothin, and then like a broken record or something

I think Peter use empathy while he was trying to talk to Emma so he got her ability
Raekon
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 13 2009, 03:43 AM) *
He never took Samuel's power. When he and Samuel shook hands, Samuel was putting his ink on Peter which then turned into the Compass.

When he brushed by Emma and touched her hand, he did indeed taker her power, but not intentionally. I think in the rush of saving her, while all of the adrenaline was still pumping in his body, he wasn't really focusing on his power and he didn't really think to turn it off, so he accidentally took her ability.

With Samuel he was cool, calm, and collected. He wasn't in distress. With Emma, he was stressed out, heart pumping fast, in a high action situation. He wasn't fully in control and he took her power.

Fully agree!

It was showcased the same way on the plane in the beginning of volume 4 in season 3 when he intentionally got mohinders power when he wanted but unintentionaly got tracys when he was in a rush with the guards.
aussiebattler16
I loved him so much in this episode, and how he kept persisting with Emma even though he got turned down at least 2x smile.gif
GoldSeven
I also think that he may have absorbed Emma's ability empathically. There was no visual effect that they usually do when they show him absorbing another power, the little light leaping over. He was shown gripping her arm when he ran after her after saving her from the bus, but there was no effect.

And, of course, he would never have absorbed any ability of hers consciously. He was making his choices very carefully recently, always weighing what would be most helpful to him as a paramedic. Maybe now that he's lost Edgar's abilitiy, he can take

I *loved* Peter's speech to Angela at the beginning. So pompous. So rehearsed. Very endearing. ^^



Oh, and I took the liberty to clarify the thread title somewhat... Let me know if I got your intention wrong. You didn't make yourself very clear. tongue.gif
monalisa
QUOTE (Japert @ Oct 13 2009, 01:22 AM) *
A thought you were talking about the funny way he try to speed up , that was sooo much fun, all the special music for nothin, and then like a broken record or something

I think Peter use empathy while he was trying to talk to Emma so he got her ability


i agree.

and i also loved that entire scene when he was trying to speed up. and then his reaction to not having his power. it was so great.

pismokitty
The question now becomes, does Peter still have Emma's power? At the end of the episode, Hiro all of sudden appears in Peter's apartment and Peter rushes over to grab ahold of him as he passes out.

In the preview for next week, that directly followed this episode, it showed a scene where Peter shows up out of nowhere... as if he had just teleported to get there. Did anyone else catch that?
GoldSeven
I'd say it's safe to assume that by the end of the episode, Peter still has Emma's power. It would be interesting to know whether the one Peter absorbs from has to be conscious, though. wink.gif
heroesnut
The long hair, the empathy, the love interest, and the accidental absorption of powers are all back! Come on show, GIVE HIM MULTIPLE POWERS AGAIN!! I have been waiting for SO long!
ChicagoCubz
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Oct 13 2009, 06:57 AM) *
I also think that he may have absorbed Emma's ability empathically. There was no visual effect that they usually do when they show him absorbing another power, the little light leaping over. He was shown gripping her arm when he ran after her after saving her from the bus, but there was no effect.

And, of course, he would never have absorbed any ability of hers consciously. He was making his choices very carefully recently, always weighing what would be most helpful to him as a paramedic. Maybe now that he's lost Edgar's abilitiy, he can take

I *loved* Peter's speech to Angela at the beginning. So pompous. So rehearsed. Very endearing. ^^



Oh, and I took the liberty to clarify the thread title somewhat... Let me know if I got your intention wrong. You didn't make yourself very clear. tongue.gif


We didn't see the effect when he absorbed Edgar's ability either.
ravn0s
they didnt show the effect because peter said that he took edgars power.
DoctorClaude
I agree that he accidentally absorbed it empathically. You gotta remember, Peter said to his mom he was trying to open up to people, meaning he's still not "feeling" other people. He's really taken an interest to Emma, and he appears to really be trying to understand her.

Remember Sylar and Elle in season three?
ChicagoCubz
QUOTE (ravn0s @ Oct 13 2009, 10:58 PM) *
they didnt show the effect because peter said that he took edgars power.


That hardly proves he took Emma's power empathically.

Though I hope that's the case.
brunoar
It would be interesting if Peter's ability evolved in some complex way of an emphatic ability. I mean, he could have one power per feeling. For example, he relates Enhanced Synestesia to love, Super Speed to worries, and so on... That could be the "key" that the writers mentioned some time ago, which Peter had to find for being able to use his empathy completely.

However, Hiro appeared at the end of the episode, and Peter touched him. Maybe here is gonna happen the same you said about Peter's control of his absorption, he'll probably shock to see Hiro suddenly appearing and passing out right in front of him, and when he touches it, he'll absorb Space-Time Manipulation.
LibraGrl304
QUOTE (Requiem191 @ Oct 12 2009, 09:43 PM) *
When he brushed by Emma and touched her hand, he did indeed taker her power, but not intentionally. I think in the rush of saving her, while all of the adrenaline was still pumping in his body, he wasn't really focusing on his power and he didn't really think to turn it off, so he accidentally took her ability.

With Samuel he was cool, calm, and collected. He wasn't in distress. With Emma, he was stressed out, heart pumping fast, in a high action situation. He wasn't fully in control and he took her power.


Kinda like with Tracy on the plane in "Fugitives."

I also think, and I could be overthinking this, but before he saved Emma he was talking about trying to open up to people...so maybe his power was giving him what he wanted, subconsciously? He might also feel more of an emotional connection to Emma - but that's just my sappy romantic talking whistling.gif
Raekon
QUOTE (LibraGrl304 @ Oct 14 2009, 07:32 AM) *
Kinda like with Tracy on the plane in "Fugitives."

You are definately right on this.
I stated the same on the other topic about this. smile.gif
It was already showcased before that peter can absorb selectively but also spontaneous if he is in a stressfull situation like in the plane when he selectively absorbed mohinders power and after that accidentaly tracys.
diablo165
QUOTE (heroesnut @ Oct 13 2009, 09:31 PM) *
The long hair, the empathy, the love interest, and the accidental absorption of powers are all back! Come on show, GIVE HIM MULTIPLE POWERS AGAIN! I have been waiting for SO long!



I have to negate that wish! I liked his potential when he could use everyone's powers, but he never seemed effective...and he always ended up just kinda ****** me off! I like him better as he is!
MattGillan
I saw it as, because Peter was using his core ability which was using super speed, when he touched her, the core ability kicked in and took the new power.
Synch
Yes, let's bring back the ability to have every power he comes in contact with.

Knowing, of course, that it brings with it a lowered intelligence and constant bickering from people who think Power A fits a situation better than Power B.

Why wouldn't we want confusion and chaos over order and logic?
SylarFan6
QUOTE (brunoar @ Oct 13 2009, 11:55 PM) *
It would be interesting if Peter's ability evolved in some complex way of an emphatic ability. I mean, he could have one power per feeling. For example, he relates Enhanced Synestesia to love, Super Speed to worries, and so on... That could be the "key" that the writers mentioned some time ago, which Peter had to find for being able to use his empathy completely.

However, Hiro appeared at the end of the episode, and Peter touched him. Maybe here is gonna happen the same you said about Peter's control of his absorption, he'll probably shock to see Hiro suddenly appearing and passing out right in front of him, and when he touches it, he'll absorb Space-Time Manipulation.



wow..thats really intresting! Mmmmm that could happen...
Grim Reapster
QUOTE (Synch @ Oct 14 2009, 10:59 AM) *
Yes, let's bring back the ability to have every power he comes in contact with.

Knowing, of course, that it brings with it a lowered intelligence and constant bickering from people who think Power A fits a situation better than Power B.

Why wouldn't we want confusion and chaos over order and logic?


Well maybe, since Peter has learned how to better utilize his abilities, he'll be able to handle having multiple abilities again without the confusion and chaos... wink.gif
ClayAikenRocks
QUOTE (Grim Reapster @ Oct 14 2009, 02:14 PM) *
Well maybe, since Peter has learned how to better utilize his abilities, he'll be able to handle having multiple abilities again without the confusion and chaos... wink.gif


Time and time again, the show has proved to us that a super powered Peter is a dumb as rocks Peter. We don't need that.

shader2099
What they should have added is a fuel tank. Basically Hiro wouldn't be able to time-jump back and forth too long before he'd be too tired to concentrate and Claire's healing would slow down if she kept getting injured long enough etc. That way they could give Peter a way to switch between powers but he would have to do it sparingly. Back when he slipped into a coma after meeting Sylar, it was interesting, damnit!
GoldSeven
It's something you rarely find out of RPG mechanics, but I agree it's useful. But very hard to measure. Imagine the nagging fanboys if, at one point, Peter manages to break through a door with TK and then reads someone's mind, and the next, he crashes a window and then fails to mind-control a person...

Hard to do outside "hard rules".
BlueBolt
QUOTE
Time and time again, the show has proved to us that a super powered Peter is a dumb as rocks Peter.
No, that's just the writers. A hero that can copy the powers and beat everyone he gets close to is not good for a TV show. They had to make his powers uncontrolled or tune them down to help their story along. After all, the future peter had them and was not a sap. But then, he had a lot more time to get used to them, was probably constantly getting walked over by his relatives, and had to learn things the hard way.

I mean, look at the current incarnation of Sylar. He has no idea what he has and his abilities just keep "popping up" at random times, and not always at the best times for them to do so.
ClayAikenRocks
QUOTE (BlueBolt @ Oct 14 2009, 03:41 PM) *
No, that's just the writers.


The writers ARE the show. They've shown time and time again that they can't deal with a super powered Peter - unless they make him a moron in some way. 5 Minutes of Peter from the future is a different story. The writers would never give our current Peter that kind of controlled power without making him mentally handicapped or suffering from amnesia.
GoldSeven
QUOTE
I mean, look at the current incarnation of Sylar. He has no idea what he has and his abilities just keep "popping up" at random times, and not always at the best times for them to do so.


Yeah, but we've been at exactly the same stage with Peter too. Complete with amnesia. Though the Sylar fangirls probably still envy the Peter fangirls the shirtlessness that Peter's amnesia came with.

No, seriously, let Peter please stay the way he is. If it needs be, let him reconnect, let him absorb from a distance, let him retain two powers at a time. But no more than that. I'm enjoying Peter immensely at the moment, ever since he lost his powers. He gets good stories and he's allowed to make smart moves. Put one blocker in place, instead of having to think of a new one again (coma) and again (amnesia) and again (body switch) and again (pure stupidity).
BlueBolt
QUOTE
The writers would never give our current Peter that kind of controlled power without making him mentally handicapped or suffering from amnesia.
Or making him a villain... whistling.gif
pawn6545
I see nothing wrong with super powered peter even superman can be defeated.
Kraken
QUOTE (GoldSeven @ Oct 14 2009, 12:48 PM) *
Yeah, but we've been at exactly the same stage with Peter too. Complete with amnesia. Though the Sylar fangirls probably still envy the Peter fangirls the shirtlessness that Peter's amnesia came with.

No, seriously, let Peter please stay the way he is. If it needs be, let him reconnect, let him absorb from a distance, let him retain two powers at a time. But no more than that. I'm enjoying Peter immensely at the moment, ever since he lost his powers. He gets good stories and he's allowed to make smart moves. Put one blocker in place, instead of having to think of a new one again (coma) and again (amnesia) and again (body switch) and again (pure stupidity).


I totally agree that Peter should not regain his original season 1 power. A smart character with Peter's ability would remove almost all tension from the show. If I had Peter's power, once I had Hiro's space-time manipulation, I'd just teleport around and collect all the powers that I want, even going back in time. He could go back and get Claude's invisibility, then DL's phasing, with Claire's RCR and he's the unstoppable wraith. Any problem or crisis he encounters he can instantly solve. even if he doesn't have the right power he could teleport away, find the right power, and teleport back to the instant he left!

I've really enjoyed peter now that he has a more meaningful restraint on his power. As much fun as it was to see FPeter kick some serious ******, he's just not a sustainable character in that form.
Synch
QUOTE (pawn6545 @ Oct 15 2009, 01:45 PM) *
I see nothing wrong with super powered peter even superman can be defeated.


Rewatch S1 & S2 and read old discussions on the board.

Old Peter constantly made poor decisions and was horribly over powered. There were constant arguments that he should have used Power X over Power Y.
TessaBlues
QUOTE (pawn6545 @ Oct 15 2009, 02:45 PM) *
I see nothing wrong with super powered peter even superman can be defeated.


I don't either since they have Sylar and he needs an equal on the side of good. And now more then ever Peter needs to be the one to kill him IMHO. I don't mind the one ability at a time so much but I would like him to be able to hold mulitple ones.
GoldSeven
I still think any victory of Peter's over Sylar would be much more significant if Peter remained less powerful than Sylar. And I fully agree with you that Peter should be the one finally defeating Sylar. I thought they were set up for an epic fight since season one, and that feeling has diminished somewhat now, but it's still there...
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