So what is Nathan's status? Is he gone forever now or his his mind in Sylar's body just locked away?

I dunno. I want Nathan to be gone forever, but not like this. I don't want him to just disappear...

I kinda hope that he's gone.
Not that I hated the character or something. It's just "The Petrelli's", they all should go now!
except for Peter ofcourse

I was fixing to say "HUH? I thought you liked him" LOL...I actually hope Nathan isn't gone for Peters sake

Nathan died in the last episode of the previous season. Matt mentally manipulated Sylar to believe / remember that he's Nathan and to forget / not remember anything about Sylar, into which Sylar physically shape shifted. He never actually was Nathan.

That is true, but some (including me) wasn't ready for Nathan to die just yet. Guess we gotta face reality. But do you think whatever bit of consciousness Sylar had of Nathan is still lingering?

would be kinda funny if matt is haunted by sylar
and sylar is haunted by nathan.

would make for some funny moments.

*sylar is stealing a power, while nathan is getting squeamish from the blood.*

Well yeah, we all know that it is isn't Nathan anymore and that the real Nathan died in the season finale. It's just easier to refer to what everyone thinks is "Nathan" as, well, Nathan.

I mean, yeah, he's gone completely despite what's going on inside of Sylar/Gabriel's head, but what Matt did shouldn't have just disappeared that quickly. If Nathan is gone, completely and utterly now, then I'll be very angry. It just doesn't seem right to me.

As I have speculated before...I feel like now that fake Nathan has gone MIA, it will be the perfect time to have real Nathan listed as having gone MIA. So finally other characters on the show will be able to regard Nathan's being gone.

Sadly, I think that Fake!Nathan is gone for good. It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the characters handle it.

I think Nathan's mind is still locked in Sylar's body and it was the trauma that caused the amnesia.

The writers will probably bring Nathan back so they can kill him again at the end to the current season. Nathan is the show's "Kenny" and we can't have a Heroes season finale without an "OMG They killed Kenny um I mean Nathan" scene.

Well, I'm just thankful there is no more Sylar The Annoying Ghost anymore.

SPECULATION: I suspect Samuel will return much of Sylar's memory, including the memory of him impersonating Nathan. Sylar will then periodically be convinced throughout the show to impersonate Nathan for political reasons, for the carnies -- and we have Adrian back on screen!

I really don't want to see Nathan go. My God, what would S1 have been without the Flying Petrelli Brothers? But I am prepared if he is killed off the show now.

Hate to break it to you...but Sylar is still trapped in Matt's mind, only now Matt has no way of tracking down the body. So...we might be in for a whole lot more Ghost of Sylar's past.

Agreed. My hypothesis is that when the body that looks like Sylar gets over the trauma, he will think he is Nathan and revert to looking like Nathan.

Nathan joins the ranks of Kaito Nakamura and Linderman: limited to flashback fiesta.

I don't think we've seen the last of "Nathan." This portion of the plot demands closure of a kind that simply having "Nathan" be "assassinated" by Millie's hitmen and instantly vanish into oblivion would not provide. Moreover, in the preview for next week, we see the Carnival members telling our amnesiac Quinto that they're going to revive Sylar's memories and "wake the sleeping lion." Since the real Sylar's mind is trapped inside of Matt right now, what will this do? Logically, particularly if what's happened is simply trauma amnesia, one would think that the previously-operative set of memories would be the ones recovered; that is, "Nathan's" memories.

I don't know if it means anything (in an unfortunate sense) but I don't remember seeing Adrian Pasdar's name in the credits. Is that permanent?

The new, reborn, Sylar may decide that he doesn't want to be Sylar or Gabriel again. He told the detective, and the shrink, that he wasn't a killer; and that he would never kill his Mother. Once he learns the truth, we might be seeing the birth of a new persona. Right now his "Hunger" seems to be dormant. He may choose to leave it that way.

They've suggested several times that, deep down, Sylar doesn't really want to kill. He just wants to be accepted, and feel special. He may choose to become Nathan again, rather than return to his own ways. Nathan had power and the love of his Mother and Brother. Maybe Sylar will willingly step back into Nathan's place.

I'm sure Pascar's not finished yet but I'll miss him if he is..
That said, it would end the whole problem of everyone not being sure what to call him (Sythan, Naylar? Fake Nathan!?)

I was just gettng ready to post the same thing. The Sylar body with amnesia has all the powers. The longer he has amnesia the more he will become his own person. He doesn't want to be a killer. He may not let Sylar back in. I never understand these conciousness transfers. If Sylar's conciousness is completely out of that body and in Matt then he's either an empty shell or he's Nathan with amnesia in Sylar's body. How does he speak, and remember how do do things like walking, reading and writing if his mind is in another body? His flashes are of things that happened to him as Nathan. If he get his memories back he will be Nathan's memories in Sylar's body and he'll figure out how he got that way. He may prefer to be Nathan since Sylar is being hunted.

I assumed Nathan was dead forever since "An Invisible Thread" the last episode of Season 3...

Since that moment, Nathan has only existed as the appearance that Sylar's body took, and the memories Matt created and put in the brain of Sylar's body. Now, it seems like those memories and appearance are gone.

If Sylar would shape shift into Nathan appearance, would you say that Nathan is alive again? I doubt it...

I don't want Adrian to leave us T_T

Nathan is dead.

"Nathan" is gone.

Sylar lives.

He wasn't in the ep.

At the very least, Pasdar will definitely be back during this season. If you go to the Spoiler section of the forums, you can see some "on-set" shots of an upcoming episode which appear to show Nathan, "Nathan" or "Sylar-pretending-to-be-Nathan" conversing and taking off to fly with Peter. I think Pasdar's absence from the credits this episode was due, naturally enough, to the fact that he never appeared in it.

Nathan will remain alive whilst Sylar is still on the show.

Ok, but that doesn't mean Nathan is alive... We've seen Ellen Green (Virgina Gray) in Season 3, although she was dead, and it was because she was a shape-shifted Sylar... And Ellen Green is going to appear in "Tabula Rasa", but probably as a remebering of Sylar

So, the appearance in the credits of the name of the actor/actress that protrays a dead character, doesn't mean that the character is alive...

Well, the point as of now is that Nathan IS dead. There's nothing of Nathan that has truly survived season three. The only possibility to bring Nathan back for real would be to resurrect the corpse lying in Angela's freezer right now.

But I have to say that it thoroughly dislike the fact that Adrian Pasdar gets to take his leave from this show in the way it appears at the moment.

I'm surprised no-one suggested a blood transfusion from Claire at the end of season 3 but then again it would have season 4 very confusing.

I think he'll be back. With the whole time traveling thing with Hiro and now Peter they can always go back in time to change the past. Maybe Noah is looking for that healer kid so that instead of making Sythan, they save Nathan and prevent Sythan from meeting Samuel in the future. But then the start of this season would have been a waste and just another alternate timeline. But then again its Heroes.

I think that the idea that Claire's blood is a universal cure for everything, including death, is one of those things that the writers regret coming up with. It's too convenient. Anytime someone gets hurt, just use Claire's blood. If they kept falling back on that, it would make for some pretty boring episodes.

I'm not.

Where was Claire? Where was Claire's blood?

Oh yeah, nowhere near the scene.

I'm confused as to which part of my post you might have read... this does not seem to address it at all. I wrote nothing to the effect that Nathan must be alive because of an appearance of Pasdar's name in the credits for an episode.

I said that because of this:



But I was actually agreeing with you

In that case, it seems you were agreeing in a rather unusual way... Statements such as "Ok, but that doesn't mean Nathan is alive" and "So, the appearance in the credits of the name of the actor/actress that protrays a dead character, doesn't mean that the character is alive..." written in response to one of my posts come across to me as though they are intended to counteract a claim or implication put forward in said post. Since the most I suggested in relation to the matter was that "At the very least, Pasdar will be back" since there are "on-set shots of an upcoming episode which appear to show Nathan, "Nathan" or "Sylar-pretending-to-be-Nathan,"" I thought my post to have been entirely neutral with regards to the issue of whether or not the character is actually alive at the time in question.

Regardless, it seems that we agree on more or less all matters of substance herein.

Sorry, I expressed myself wrongly. Thing is that we both think that Nathan is not necessarily alive for appearing in on-set shots of an upcoming episode

nathan is definitely dead...






for now