Well, I have to say I sort of saw it coming. Samuel can dish out retribution on any who hurt part of his flock. Good or bad, we know that Samuel is truly looking out for all special people. What does this mean for those without abilities though?

Discuss Samuel's revenge here.

I was pretty upset that Jeremy died and I hoped that he would be avenged by Tracy or Noah. Samuel's wrath was totally unexpected! I enjoyed the moment thoroughly!

As soon as I saw them hitch Jeremy up to that truck I knew revenge was coming. I cheered because what those cops did was evil. Samuel walks that line but what they did was wrong.

Very true. That's where things become entirely gray (not what the cops did, but what Samuel did). It was revenge for the death of an innocent young man, but was Samuel's revenge justified? Destroying that police station (while killing the cops in the process), was horribly evil. Only two men inside that station were responsible for Jeremy's death. Doesn't make what they did right, but it doesn't make Samuel right either.

They killed a potential 'family' member, so Samuel kills them.

I definitely liked that moment.

the revenge was unexpected but welcomed.

I kept expecting Noah to be the one to take revenge, but that whole ending with Samuel had me stunned.

Well, had Noah taken revenge, he'd have been seen and caught. He can't fight the law, even if it is corrupt. Samuel on the other hand... he can tear anything apart with his ability if he wants to and can virtually get away with anything.

I am so curious how he is knowing when where why of everything? How does he know who killed them that Tracy was there etc.

Most likely through Lydia. She seems to be a plot device that can interpret pretty much anything at any time if it serves a purpose lol.

i suppose too. it's like lydia's tattooes serve the same purpose as isaac's paintings in s1; to act as some sort of guide that'll lead the story to a climactic happening.

Yeah the Carnival is the enemy here, the new "big bad." With past season, it was just a single person, maybe a small group of people here and there. Then you get to this point in the show and we're dealing with a whole carnival full of special people all devoted to one purpose.

Sure, it seems a bit far-fetched that Samuel can know everything he knows, but through Lydia and quite possibly through other specials, it's not hard to see how Samuel figures out everything he does. He obviously can get around very easily and is extremely organized. This is a group with a solid plan and a very forceful way of getting their goals accomplished.

It lends itself very well to that age old saying: Where there's a will, there's a way. Samuel and the rest of the Carnival are very willful and very powerful. They clearly will not allow anyone to mess with their own kind.

Simply said,"Awesome @!%&ing episode"

That was an amazing scene, absolutely amazing. Seeing T-Bag, I mean Samuel dish that sweet revenge out would make me want to join his crew without a doubt lol.

While what he did was terribly wrong, it's hard to blame Samuel. It seems clear that, owing to his own experiences being snubbed and persecuted for his "different"-ness, as well as his low social class, Samuel has a deep bitterness which drives him to pull no punches whatsoever in exacting retribution wherever he sees this manner of injustice.

I wonder if the way they are writing Samuel now is anything like the original vision for Sylar - an older man with a religious mindset.

It's been a long time since I've cheered this much for a bad guy. I too expected Noah, or more likely, Tracy to get revenge for Jeremy, but Samuel has showed us that the family does not stand for lynchings such as this.

Samuel is totally going the Magneto route.

Samuel is not a hero. He killed people because they wouldn't let him inside (in the episode where he meets Peter). He should not be congratulated for killing even if the person deserved it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

If he and the Carnival don't stand up for people with abilites who will. I think Samuel is operating under the "kill or be killed" MO. You had a kid who was trying NOT to kill anyone and they tied him to the back of a truck, like he was less than nothing. All because he was a "freak". Sometimes you have to dish out you own brand of justice. It's a tough one because think of how many specials they'd do that to who didn't do anything wrong besides having a ability.

Yeah, I see this as well. Magneto had a good premise but was still, in the end, evil in his ways of going about it. Same with Samuel: what he wants is good and he will do anything to get it, no matter if it is good or evil.

Samuel = Magneto.. vengeance for special kind

*just saw the aboved posts have the same idea...

Totally thought the same thing. Magneto only cares about protecting his own. Everything else is just collateral damage.

This is what I've been waiting for personally. I want a Villain who is a villain not because he's evil, but because his goals are different than the rest of the world's goals. Specials are outnumbered (supposedly) by regular people and this won't be the end of any discrimination stories we might get. Since Samuel is fighting fully and completely for the specials, he's not a villain, but he still fits the bill perfectly.

I liked it because it showed us something about Samuel, just how much he will go out of his way to avenge what he sees as a wrong on his people or "family".
He never met Jeremy, but he still felt enough personal outrage to kill an entire building of people in retaliation.

Someone else here said Magneto, and that's exactly it. He will defend his kind but doesn't give a hoot if he kills a dozen or so "normals" in the process.

I am definately liking Samuel's character more and more.

I defiinitely agree with the comparison between Samuel and Magneto... Has anyone ever thought about there being a connection between Samuel and Mohinder? I mean, it's Samuel voice not that is the "Intro Voice" of the show. Connection. Also, Samuel has the ability to find all of the heroes. If that is the case why hasn't he done it before this season? Also, he keeps mentioning Joseph -- Is it possible that Mohinder and Joseph is the same person? And what time is he from? He mentioned a future Sylar that he knew as being the most powerful of them all? There is a god-reference to Samuel as well... He baptized Sylar. Sylar is the chosen one for the family. The Carnival and Samuel has a very religious overtone. He acts as god -- not only in his power of controlling the elements (I think that is his power) but also in His decision making. Samuel stikes fear into everyone's heart. His family loves him, but they are fearful of him. He likes it that way and wants it that way. Sylar is his prodigy. I read somewhere that someone thought that Sylar would kill him once he got his power back. I know Sylar is the man -- bad to the bone, but I believe Samuel is too big for Sylar. He carries a weight that is greater than even Sylar. Sylar will always respect Samuel and Samuel has offered Sylar the one thing that he has always wanted: a family. The biggest danger is these two being together and on the same side.

any hopes of Samuel being labeled as "good" went down the toilet when he decided to collapse a whole building when he could have easily just taken out the few cops responsible for Jeremy's death, instead he probably killed 30-40 innocents in the process that worked inside that building

same deal with the mansion, could have killed the one lady easily, but instead, he killed them all

so I love Samuel and think he is great and while he protects his own kind, it does it with ZERO morals

i have not liked samuel until this episode. he just looks like trouble. but, him avenging jeremy's murder was justice in my book and i do not care how extreme it seemed. jeremy was a gift, a true miracle, and he was maliciously and cowardly killed by people not even worth a fraction of his potential.

samuel did the right thing, and i am warming up to him.

Imo, Samuel is a villain who thinks he has good intentions.

His intentions are good in terms of wanting special people to feel like they're at home or feel whole, but the way he goes about achieving that is where he fails.

I do not like the other things he has done to manipulate people or kill to get his way, but when be buried the deputy that killed Jeremy I felt soooooo satisfied.

I agree that Samuel's actions were thoroughly wrong, but this doesn't mean there isn't a certain satisfaction of the "eye-for-an-eye" impulse within all of us as a result of seeing certain individuals receive their comeuppance. Ultimately, however, we must indeed remember that an eye for an eye only makes the world blind, and that Samuel's actions far overstep even the boundaries of that brand of tit-for-tat justice, remembering all the bystanders entirely innocent of Jeremy's murder who were indiscriminately made targets of Samuel's vengeance.

I totally knew he was going to make that building implode. I thought his revenge/retribution was awesome and win. I started out this season thinking lolsamuel, but now he's pretty cool.

No but three lefts do.....

Samuel kinda makes me think of David Koresh. He's pretty much a cult leader. He talks about family, but thinks about power. He talks about "justice", but his punishments far outweigh the crimes committed. His destruction of the mansion and the sherriff's building are more like "40 eyes for an eye". We have also seen him turn on his own people. He's a father figure with meglomaniac tendencies... the kind of dad that winds up having social services called on him. Samuel is more of a villian in my book than a hero. But an interesting villian due to all his conflicting values.

And he really pulls off the black eyeliner.

I just wonder what's gonna happen to ol' Sammy when the real Sylar comes back online. All those abilities in one place. Sylar is gonna be like a kid at a... carnival...

That was so awesome when Samuel leveled that place. I like him...for the time being. He'll probably tick me off within three episodes.

Ok, this isn't really related to this topic,


But I'm curious, the guy in the house of mirrors who gave back Sylar his powers, could he be related to the Haitin since the powers are similar?

Could it be possible that all these people are blooc relatives of all the other heroes? I know it's far fetched, but possible?


Also, Why has no one realised yet that Nathan is missing? Angela?

How are the Haitian's powers similar to House Of Mirrors guy? Just curious.

I doubt the Carnis are related to our other characters, and I really hope they're not. Same/Similar powers =/= Blood relation

Anathagenzum,

Welcome to the discussion board!

The powers were never given back to Gabriel, they were always his. He had previously demonstrated both lightning and tk in his office at home.

The powers you witnessed may have been more akin to Matt's. But, they were not at all like the Haitian's. The Haitian (as he said to Claire) can not restore memories.

And, as Synch has already said, it's unlikely that the Carnies are related to our Heroes.

I'm sorry, I meant memories! Not powers.

Then I guess not. So the guy who gave him his memories, does it mean he's a healer? Since Linderman gave Angela Petrelli her memories?


Also, as i said, isn't it a flaw that no one has realised that Nathan is missing?

I don't think the memories were restored to him so much as they were shown to him. I think it was the physical memory of his body, not the rememberings of the life he lived mentally. He still seems to be remembering Nathan's memories internally, but has accepted that these things he was shown are his history.