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An absolute chore to sit through. If next week's episode is equally useless, that'll be the last straw for me.

inb4 "haters gonna hate"

So I thought the day before Homecoming Claire went to meet her real mom and then got grounded from going to Homecoming, only to sneak out and go to the game.

Claire didn't meet her real mom until after Homecoming. She didn't get grounded from going to Homecoming until after all of her scenes in this episode.

yeah, huge continuity error there

hmmm
where to start...
firstly, for the 8th ep in a row..claire
must she be in every episode, which leads me to my next complaint...
lauren...really
i feel as though her waste of a story with bennet was just a wasted excuse to have clair in yet another episode where she didnt bring anything.
also, we can avoid a rift in time by simply giving a vague fortune to one of the key players in this "story"
so, sylar is now a healer? or at least a neural surgeon..if he can get rid of charlies aneurysm why not hiros tumor.
speaking coninuity, to someone elses point, yes clair was busy getting grounded this fine day for not going to the aquarium, but also now that sylar did not get charlies ability, he doesnt remember zane taylor (read your season 1 gn's), so he doesnt meet mohinder which leads him to the super hearing lady or back to mohinders apartment to get isaacs address and telephone number. also without super hearing he cant hear ted from a block away or have the idea to frame him..bah
i can go on and on with this but im tired
i just wish this was the first episode of heroes that i ever watched, that way it would make some sense
this show is growing stale very fast, which i am not happy to say
i grow sadened that they are letting the say spiral out like this..well on the bright side v starts tomorrow

oh ya one more thing..save the waitress...save the show??
arg

oh and speaking of continuity..hrg says to isaac that no one knows what sylar looks like..wasnt it hrg and elle that had him under survailence 24/7
uck

The episode was really good with Hiro, Charlie and Sylar. Noah and "Here because I'm gonna have a later storyline in season 4" was awful.

As much as I liked this episode, I want you all to recognize this show is dead, and we're just going to have to watch it decay at this point, sadly.

It's like when Kes saved 7 of 9 in Voyager. She wasn't a surgeon, either.



After he fixed Charlie, Hiro should have been like "now you must fix me" and Sylar would be like that wasnt part of the deal and Hiro would be like "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

Ha, Hah, yeah bringing in this woman that Noah supposedly has an affair with and then the ever convenient Haitian erased her memory of the whole incident of an "almost" affair was pretty pointless. To tell you the honest truth, since I was so much more focused on Hiro's mission to save Charlie and keep the time line on it's original path as close as he possibly can, I completely zoned out on the subplot with Noah and this new mystery woman. Not to mention, since I VHS every episode of Heroes, I had the luxury to fast forward through the Isaac painting scene since I already saw it when it was important....in SEASON ONE.



And as for about now Sylar never having Charlie's ability, so freaking what!? Considering he had access to the original list back at the time he was associated with Chandra Suresh perhaps THAT is when he learned about Zane Taylor. It doesn't take having the ability of super duper memory to enable him to remember ONE of his intended victims. Besides, all of the powers Sylar acquired in season one ,besides telekinesis, were erased when he got the shanti virus in season two so the whole argument is pretty moot. We can only just assume that the history from season one and on still took the path it was always intended and not worry about it. Same with that Caitlyn chick. One of two things happened to her. Either the 2007 she was stranded in branched off into it's own parallel universe or it was erased when Peter stopped the virus plague so she wouldn't exist anymore anyhow.


And I thought that I nit pick the little things in the series bad there are others out there who nitpick worse than I do. They are all entitled to their opinions, but when it is obvious the writers AREN'T going to resolve a plot hole then it should just be let go.

I just want to remind all you ladies and gentlepeople that this is a Negative Reviews thread. Please take any debating to another thread.

Thanks!

I do vaguely remember the GN alluding to the fact that Sylar remembered Zane's name and address because of the memory, but it was small enough not to bother me.

What bothered me was the way they opened up on HRG's almost-affair. I thought that first conversation between him and Lauren was just plain awful. It was contrived and cliche. Blah. (However, the things they said about being able to be themselves was probably true, so I just pretended that conversation didn't happen and I was able to stomach the rest of the relationship-building).

Something else that bothered me was that Sylar knew what Claire's ability was. I didn't think he knew what abilities his intended victims had before he met them. The list only marked potential evolved humans based on who had carrier genes and Bennet was keeping Claire secret from the Company. Again, that's probably a nitpick but that line bothered me.

I found the Charlie-Hiro story arc so compelling that I really loved this episode. They should have left everything else out.

EDIT: But would this change Hiro's season 2 arc? If he's happily in love with Charlie still, he wouldn't fall in love with Yaeko and incur Adam's wrath.

"Season Two never happened La La La La I can't hear you La La La La" ~ Tim Kring and the rest of the Heroes writers.

LOLOLOL

I can't even hold it against them. I pretend Vol. 3 didn't happen. Someone say something about HRG and Elle creating Sylar? WTF - that didn't happen.

I like to pretend that Sylar and Elle's very UNLIKELY romance never happened. That and MOST of season two since it was so GODAWFUL!!

Yeah, so that Sylar can get in his head, gain Space-Time manipulation, and make such a mess of everything that he causes the destruction of the Universe from S3? =)



P_Hiro doesn't know that anything is different. He doesn't know Charlie's ultimate fate. If he doesn't think she dies, then he thinks she disappears, and is either way heartbroken. Alterations occur from the point of change and beyond, and since Hiro is the traveler, and Charlie is from the past, they both remember the original timeline, which makes Hiro's motivations after this moment in the timeline pretty irrelevent.

Probably the most boring episode so far. Hiro's story was way too padded. Sylar was almost completely out of character.

Samuel is too one-dimensional. The actor is horrible. No emotional depth at all. He always seems to be a junkie jonesing for a hit.

Hiro has only two years left, and he still shows no signs of progressing from a comical buffoon to the super cool samurai.


I knew that the Hiro story would end in tragedy, since he went about saving Charlie with so much...glee.



I've held on to this season for probably two episodes too many (except for Milo being great in every scene that they occasionally give him). I'm done. I may watch the episode where they decide to break Zach Quinto's 30-year contract and kill off Sylar, but there's probably more of a chance of them simply changing the show's name to "Sylar".

That is the most hilarious statement I've seen this week. Sadly, the Sylar thing is right most of the time. The guy isn't the sole star of the show. The entire cast are the stars equally........or at least SHOULD be.

This episode was just awful. What is the point in bringing Charlie back to life, again?

The Lauren storyline ruined Noah's character for me. It looks like Jack Coleman isn't into the show anymore, since he's clearly phoning it in.

Ok, this was a bit of an odd episode for me. Nevermind HRG and the woman at the Company, I actually said to myself when watching "if this was season one, HRG would have her Haitianed" and then she Haitians herself. Ok it didn't go anywhere but it was still interesting, if only to hear Noah recite Midsummer Night's Dream (and I totally knew what it was before he said it) and also confirm that he, like Nathan Petrelli, has a thing for blondes.

The problem I have with the episode is the basic premise. Hiro saving Charlie.

We've had this song and dance before haven't we?

Six Months Ago was one of my favourite episodes of season one. I rewatched that so many times because it was so sad and the scene with the paper cranes is so sweet and is definately one of the most beautiful in the entire show's run.
The plot of this episode just stomps all over that. The most bittersweet thing about Six Months Ago is the fact that if Hiro saved Charlie from Sylar she still would have died from the blood clot. She was doomed and there was no way he could have saved her. In the episode he gives out an anguished "I'm supposed to save you" which breaks your heart. Hiro had an important lesson to learn there: that you can't save everyone. Has he just forgotten that now?

Also Charlie herself. Before this episode she was Hiro's Gwen Stacey. She died tragically but her death spurned the hero on his journey. Now she's just a helpless plot device Samual can dangle in front of Hiro to make him do tricks.

Ther whole thing just dragged the episode down for me.

This whole thing was handled poorly, and reminded me of things were handled before this season, in a half-assed manner. It's a shame too because I had really high hopes for this season and they're ruining by doing this.

What was the whole point of Lauren? I assume they're gonna just add her to the cast now that Noah is single. This is like that electric girl (El?) all over again.

And another throwback to earlier seasons, the people have become retards. Sylar if he was smart would have just killed Hiro when Hiro was distracted and taken his power. The ability to manipulate time is arguably greater than invulnerability for Sylar because the ability to manipulate time could lead to so much. Sylar could stop time and steal people's brains and then teleport away without leaving any trace. I know that they can't just kill Hiro off like that, but you'd think there would be a better solution besides just going DEE DEE DEE SYLAR IS STUPID.

I am not as much bothered by the affect on the season as the delivery of Lauren to this episode.

There had to been plenty of agents left and some of them Noah trusted and could call on again. Heck, I do not mind a little office romance, as for someone lying to his family day in and day out.. someone he can tell everything could make the office a bit awkward. What bothers me is the delivery of her lines and the lines themselves.

How many time do we have to hear "bag and tag"... can't they ever just say apprehend or catch? It is an official term that must be used "x" times in a Heroes episode? I did not like the way she haitined herself... I would have much preferred Noah to call upon his friend to have the work done. A even better story, woudl have been if he left her totally clueless and she thought she was a convenient store clerk or some kind of medial job.

They had been doing so well too..and then they take this dump on us.

So Hiro stands with his back to Sylar, and instead of knocking him out and taking BOTH their powers, then time traveling to the future to find out about his own death, we're supposed to believe instead that he "fixes" Charly, and then merges right into his original timeline without that episode affecting him?

The HRG affair? Total filler. What a waste of space.

Then, after this abortion of an episode, they decide to tease us in the end with the carrot of Mohinder, so that we can forget that they just butchered the entire timeline.

Yuck.

God, where do I start?
Terribly, terribly written. That opening was possibly one of the hammiest-written things I've seen "love doesn't exist!" that entire cheesy flashback sequence (which was mostly nullified by the later scene with lydia and samuel, which could have brought people who didn't know/remember up to date without being awful), "he was wearing a black hat"...
I honestly wanted to give up there.
But then HRG was in the cafe, and I thought, "oh, HRG's okay, this'll be fine"... but then they not only dent his character, but introduce an incredibly pointless, annoying character in such a shoe-hornish retcon way that, dear god, this was a very bad set-up for another episode/plot.
I mean, I've not liked Hiro for some time (mainly due to his transition from funny to grating) , and an entire episode revolving around him as never gonna get me very excited, but really?
Okay, some of sylar was okay. Him being wheeled about mid-cut was funny, and I don't think I can hate Samuel. And the whole Mohinder however many seconds of the mohinder thing made me laugh out loud (I was sure it was going to be Joseph). But that doesn't stop it being painfully awful. It may have been set in s1, but it felt like one of the lower (lower!) points of s3. Next week's better be bloody amazing.

Overall, I really liked this espisode, but I do have a continuity issue that everyone is free to comment on.
Am I to understand that as far as everyone in the diner is concerned, (friends, coworkers, etc) Charlie is no longer dead, but missing? Vanished into thin air? Just a thought, but wouldn't Hiro be suspect number one in her dissapearance? Considering that he vanished at exactly the same time, you would think that he would be a person of interest to the cops.

Then, when he finally returns to a waiting Ando, the cops would bring him in for questioning. Of course, they wouldn't have enough evidence to charge him, but one would think it would impact the happenings of season one, at least delaying his trip to New York to stop the bomb.

Like I said, this is the only negative I could find this week.

If this doesn't qualify for this thread, I apologize. I wasn't sure where else it would fit.

Anyone spot the glaring mistake in this episode? How is the current Hiro able to freeze p_Hiro in time? When he walks into the bathroom p_Hiro is frozen but we have seen that when you are around someone who also has space-time manipulation they can't be frozen in time as we saw in those iconic scenes in Collisions/Hiros and a few other times.

Maybe I'm missing something here though..

Also another thing is we don't know where Charlie is, Samuel is very wary about messing up with his little point because as he said it influences so much with the path Hiro, Sylar, Claire and Peter take so maybe Charlie is still actually killed by Sylar? He plants her near Sylar so he takes her power yet plays Hiro into thinking she is stuck in time somewhere?

The first one is easily explainable in that Peter would automatically use a power around someone else who was also using there power, that was why he couldn't be frozen in time. I was more bothered by the fact that Hiro didnt just go back to the few seconds before they left the Cafe and teleported them both out before Samuel got a hold of Charlie

I spent the entire time trying not to vomit or punch the screen! I am sad too, this season was starting to get so good and then this. Ugh!

This is the first episode I've been able to make myself watch since Acceptance, and I turned this one off half way through the episode. I thought the Hiro/Charlie/Sylar stuff went well enough and was fun to watch, but the HRG/Lauren side story made me want to just stop watching. I hope next weeks episode is better...if I manage to feel like watching it

If Samuel wanted to blackmail or bring Hiro to his side, wouldn't it have been a lot easier to abduct Ando or Kimiko instead of a crazy chase through time?

After 4 seasons, they havent worked out how to write for Hiro. Why doesn't he just time travel back to when samuel abducts Charlie and save her at that point? Why not bring charlie to a point in time where there is a healer around? Back to his mom or forward to Peter who went off to ( find super powered help a day earlier from Hiro's perspective) Instead of relying on a murderer.

The old sylar would have gone berserk with lust at the prospect of getting a power like Hiros. On the topic of bad guys I've loved samuel so far but in this episode he was just lame.


Bah. This season was going so well.

At least they showed Issac.

Charlie? Again? What is this, like the hundreth time?

And Sylar didn't even kill her (or Hiro) this time. What a rip-off.

I'll just have to throw in a slice of my own.