AngelusQuest
Nov 4 2009, 07:01 AM
Am I the only one who found the Elizabeth Rohm/HRG "relationship" a little creepy? The moment she came on screen I looked at my roommate and said, "Look, it's future Claire." She looks exactly like an adult Clair would, she is inexplicably drawn to HRG, and he wants nothing to do with sexually. His dialog about them being "close" sealed the deal for me. My question is, was this intentional? If so, how did F-Claire get back in time and lose her memory? Am I a crazy person?
TsaiMeLemoni
Nov 4 2009, 07:21 AM
You just might be crazy lol...it wouldn't makes sense for the Lauren character to be a future Claire that wants to be in a romantic relationship with her dad, she's simply a new character that was meant to further Noah's back story. Though that would be quite the Oedipal head trip..
Druce
Nov 4 2009, 07:25 AM
I may not completely trust this show's writers anymore, but I don't for one minute believe they would intentionally write a story that involved a future version of Claire who wanted to get it on with her own father. That strikes me as absurd. So, yes, I think you are kind of crazy. Lauren and Claire do resemble each other, but I am not going to read into that. Sometimes people just have similarities.
rayne
Nov 4 2009, 12:38 PM
actually f. claire would look like the claire we see now. she has a healing ability n' that would stop her from aging, look at adam.
mrmichaelt
Nov 4 2009, 12:44 PM
Well, I thought that Lauren Gilmore had a creepy resemblance to what I think a grown up version of Claire might be like and perhaps that's partly why HRG was close friends with her (and also didn't go all the way).
Synch
Nov 4 2009, 02:20 PM
Ugh. Please tell me this is a horrible joke?
Lauren is not, in any way, Future Claire. Not only is it creepy, it's completely unnecessary.
FlyingGirl
Nov 4 2009, 02:25 PM
Just when I thought there couldn't be a wackier theory than the Joseph is Mohinder one.
psychopathicROC
Nov 4 2009, 06:46 PM
I did think she was very very similar to Tracy, so who knows how this may play out.
Raekon
Nov 4 2009, 10:26 PM
Even if that should had been the case, HRG and Claire are not related in blood at all so it would had been "ok".
TsaiMeLemoni
Nov 5 2009, 04:59 AM
QUOTE (psychopathicROC @ Nov 4 2009, 08:46 PM)

I did think she was very very similar to Tracy, so who knows how this may play out.
Really, I thought they looked nothing alike..I got my wife to watch that episode with me and she agreed.
I guess she kinda looks like what Hayden P. might when she gets older though..
Merman
Nov 5 2009, 07:50 AM
I agreed with those who thought
Lauren bear a close resemblance
Claire, and not just because of the blonde hair and blue eyes, but her features too. It was the first thought that came to mind when I saw her character appear, and I did wonder if she was supposed to be a family relation or something...
But
never would I think she's
F.Claire... That's just extra wrong...
Farah
Nov 5 2009, 08:10 AM
lol this is a pretty nutty theory
dref22
Nov 5 2009, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (Raekon @ Nov 5 2009, 08:26 AM)

Even if that should had been the case, HRG and Claire are not related in blood at all so it would had been "ok".

LOL, I love you.
A friend said this: "OMG LAUREN LOOKS LIKE GROWN UP CLAIRE!"
I think she really does...*hides*
Synch
Nov 5 2009, 03:00 PM
Yeah...not so much.
The only similarity, really, is that they're both blond and female.
http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainm..._hayden_lgl.jpghttp://www.tvfanatic.com/files/elisabeth-rohm.jpgEverything about their faces is completely different.
HERΟ
Nov 5 2009, 04:19 PM
For someone who could maybe play an older Claire, just based on the similar part in the hair (and I posted the following a while ago for another reason), I thought Sarah Chalke could almost fit the part (role, not part in the hair...):
QUOTE (HERΟ @ Jun 5 2008, 12:01 AM)

Anyway, the eye make-up's about the only thing similar with Hayden and Sarah, though I did manage to find a pic where the part line in the hair was similar, fwiw...
Not that it matters to this thread, though, lol.
MarthWMaster
Nov 10 2009, 04:13 PM
I'm glad I checked for this topic before posting it. But yes, I absolutely agree that Lauren Gilmore is Claire from the future. Questions this raises:
1) Why does she have the hots for Daddy?
2) Why does she appear to have aged beyond "fresh adulthood?"
3) How did she end up in the past?
Regardless, I can't think they just threw this character in for no reason. She's definitely going to matter later. Whether it's in the context of an incestuous love affair with her father, is up to the writers.
dref22
Nov 10 2009, 04:17 PM
Begemot Geroi
Nov 10 2009, 05:07 PM
QUOTE (MarthWMaster @ Nov 10 2009, 07:13 PM)

I'm glad I checked for this topic before posting it. But yes, I absolutely agree that Lauren Gilmore is Claire from the future.
lolno
MarthWMaster
Nov 11 2009, 11:24 AM
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Nov 10 2009, 07:07 PM)

lolno
Really? How come? I'd be glad to hear some reasons as to why this can't happen. Future Claire being an adversary (a "temptress" if you want to call her that) isn't a theory that I take lightly, but I also don't think the idea ought to be dismissed without any explanation.
dref22
Nov 11 2009, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (MarthWMaster @ Nov 11 2009, 09:24 PM)

Really? How come? I'd be glad to hear some reasons as to why this can't happen. Future Claire being an adversary (a "temptress" if you want to call her that) isn't a theory that I take lightly, but I also don't think the idea ought to be dismissed without any explanation.
LOL, I'd pay to see this happening but there is no way.
Synch
Nov 11 2009, 11:50 AM
Umm...I'll give you a couple reasons, Marth:
1: They look nothing alike. The only similarity is that they're both blond.
2: Incest, much?
3: What possible, believable, rational or otherwise, reason can you find for Claire coming on to Daddy?
4: No way would the writers even consider this. It's just...no. I'm sorry, but no...
Begemot Geroi
Nov 11 2009, 12:57 PM
QUOTE (MarthWMaster @ Nov 11 2009, 02:24 PM)

Really? How come?
Uh, because the idea is just plain ludicrous?
And, er, wasn't Lauren from the past? Unless you mean that Claire grew up, and then someone teleported her back into her own past so that she could work with her father.
I'd try to go further, but I'm laughing too hard.
MarthWMaster
Nov 13 2009, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (Synch @ Nov 11 2009, 01:50 PM)

Umm...I'll give you a couple reasons, Marth:
1: They look nothing alike. The only similarity is that they're both blond.
2: Incest, much?
3: What possible, believable, rational or otherwise, reason can you find for Claire coming on to Daddy?
4: No way would the writers even consider this. It's just...no. I'm sorry, but no...
1: I disagree somewhat, but I'll admit that the alleged similarity was pointed out to me by a few of the other people I discussed the episode with. It's not something I initially picked up on myself.
2: Yeah, that's the whole point. I don't think Past HRG realized Lauren's identity, but the fact that he was married doesn't have to be the only reason he wasn't interested in her.
3: Amnesia (not entirely impossible in this setting), followed by an Electra complex. Supposedly, some daughters can have a subconscious sexual attraction to their fathers. Take away the knowledge that someone actually
is your father, and the rest simply falls into place.
4: Okay.
Let me just finish by saying that I have a strong belief in this theory, but I don't think it's the only way the story can go, and by no means will I be upset if it turns out to be wrong.
Synch
Nov 13 2009, 06:42 PM
I'm going to go out on a very thick, very solid limb and just say the story will never go that route.
And I repeat the simplest, most obvious, issue- they literally look nothing alike. Facial structure? Completely different. Voice? Not even remotely similar. Height? Claire's, even in the futures we've seen where she is well into adulthood and far beyond growing any more, about 5'1". Lauren's about 5'8". That's more than a half foot of difference.
How can you be invested in a theory that you only arrived at because someone else pointed out a pretty much imaginary visual similarity.
Hayden:
http://china.youth.cn/news/entertainment/2...84654806491.jpgRohm:
http://img2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/264417.jpg
MarthWMaster
Nov 14 2009, 08:54 AM
You're right, I don't know what I was thinking.
Begemot Geroi
Nov 14 2009, 09:08 AM
Life would be so much easier if everyone just realised that Synch is always right.
MarthWMaster
Nov 14 2009, 09:13 AM
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Nov 14 2009, 11:08 AM)

Life would be so much easier if everyone just realised that Synch is always right.
Keep in mind I'm still a noob who's just learning the rules of this forum. I would have joined during Season 1, but I was afraid people wouldn't like my predictions and would smash them into dust and question my wisdom for even considering them.
LowerTheBar
Nov 14 2009, 09:23 AM
You know, Claire and Noah aren't
really related.
MarthWMaster
Nov 14 2009, 09:53 AM
Wow, I totally forgot about that.
Begemot Geroi
Nov 14 2009, 10:20 AM
True, true.
But coming from the perspective of a real-life adoptee, ewwwwww. Even though I'm technically not related to my parents, brothers, and sisters, just . . . ewww.
dref22
Nov 14 2009, 11:03 AM
QUOTE (LowerTheBar @ Nov 14 2009, 07:23 PM)

You know, Claire and Noah aren't
really related.

The smileys.

I thought I was always the right one. I WANT to believe Rohm is Clairebear.
Is that so wrong?
Begemot Geroi
Nov 14 2009, 11:42 AM
Yes, incest, ew. Even if they aren't really related.
dref22
Nov 14 2009, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Nov 14 2009, 09:42 PM)

Yes, incest, ew. Even if they aren't really related.
*sigh*
Begemot Geroi
Nov 14 2009, 12:56 PM
What's the sigh about?
Oh, I get it. Shipping fathers and daughters having sex is totes cool! You're just trying to be edgy.
dref22
Nov 14 2009, 02:31 PM
QUOTE (Begemot Geroi @ Nov 14 2009, 10:56 PM)

What's the sigh about?
Oh, I get it. Shipping fathers and daughters having sex is totes cool! You're just trying to be edgy.
Edgy? I am anything but edgy.
I didn't know people loved a certain pairing to be...edgy.
Begemot Geroi
Nov 14 2009, 02:44 PM
Ugh, I just think father/daughter pairings are ew no.
MarthWMaster
Nov 14 2009, 03:00 PM
Alright, I have to call BS on the direction this topic has taken.
So, to want this theory to come true, you automatically have to be a fan of incest? Wrong. We just think it would be interesting plot. Just because the scene in Revenge of the Sith where the Jedi are exterminated is my favorite moment in the film, doesn't mean I hate the Jedi and like seeing them perish. I just think it's a poignant event that takes the story in an interesting direction (even though we all knew it was going to happen beforehand).
If Heroes confirms this theory, it doesn't mean that the show is promoting incest aided by time travel. Depending on how it's treated, it could simply be used to define Future Claire, either as an adversary, or as a fiercely misguided protagonist.
Synch
Nov 14 2009, 03:27 PM
Actually, they are father and daughter. Just because he adopted her as opposed to being her bio doesn't change that fact. He obviously loves her as a daughter, and she obviously loves him as a father.
So, in order to be a fan of or support this theory you have to be a fan of or support incest, in at least that instance.
Adopted incest is still incest.
vanillasky
Nov 14 2009, 04:41 PM
This theory will never take place. Period.
But that doesn´t make less true that Lauren does look like Claire a lot. From all the actresses that might have been chosen for the part, they had to choose an actress who reminds us so much of Claire. Unintentional? HA! I stopped believing in the showrunners innocence long ago. The way they handle the relationship between HRG and Claire is unusual, to say it in a kind way. So we shouldn´t be surprised about this kind of theories getting into viewers´ minds. Blame the show writers, blame the show directors, blame the casting people, but don´t blame the viewers.
dref22
Nov 14 2009, 04:51 PM
I agree.
Don't blame me either!
RiddlerHanjinome
Nov 14 2009, 05:46 PM
I see a resemblance, but only just barely. Nowhere near enough for me to do more than laugh at the ridiculousness of the thread topic.
dref22
Nov 14 2009, 05:58 PM
Pfffff! You just don't wanna see it!
Synch
Nov 14 2009, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (vanillasky @ Nov 14 2009, 06:41 PM)

Six inches difference, completely different facial structure, completely different eyes and, in general, only being alike in that they are both blond women is not similar or intended to remind us of each other.

MarthWMaster
Nov 14 2009, 09:49 PM
That's all well and good, except neither of those photos were taken from the show itself. Me, I've been going off the photo found on the Heroes Wiki, which makes her look a HELL of a lot more like Claire than the photo you've provided makes Elizabeth look like Hayden. Albeit with aging lines, which one can easily handwave as being the result of her losing her ability somehow. And I'll give you that the cheekbones look a little wide. Otherwise, I'm perfectly willing to swallow this as the face of Future Future Claire. (I should probably mention that I'm a Bond fan.)

Now, I've only seen the relevant episode twice, so I can't really say if they did this or not, but makeup and such can do wonders for an actor's appearance. If these two
are playing the same person in different timestreams, then the appropriate steps will be taken to make them look as much alike as possible without making the connection too obvious before it's revealed. If they can give Peter a scar that appears to go deep into his skin and across his face, they can certainly fix Elizabeth's face to look like Claire's.
Synch
Nov 14 2009, 10:00 PM
Did I mention the half foot difference? The completely different eye color? The facial structure that is so completely different between them that you'd be lucky to get a 25% match with the facial recognition software?
Oh yeah. And the 7 inch difference in height?

dref22
Nov 15 2009, 02:36 AM
I think they really wanted us to think that they look alike. The pics you guys posted made me sure of it.
Synch
Nov 15 2009, 07:08 AM
Seriously? The only similarity in the pics is..both are blond women. I'm confused as to how anyone can, by the furthest stretch of the imagination, reach the conclusion that they even resemble each other, let alone look enough alike to be the same person.
dref22
Nov 15 2009, 07:22 AM
QUOTE (Synch @ Nov 15 2009, 05:08 PM)

Seriously? The only similarity in the pics is..both are blond women. I'm confused as to how anyone can, by the furthest stretch of the imagination, reach the conclusion that they even resemble each other, let alone look enough alike to be the same person.
Yeah seriously.

And this thread is not the only one around.
MarthWMaster
Nov 15 2009, 09:49 AM
Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it. I realize it bothers you that we share this opinion, and I'm sorry about that, but that's just the way it is.
Even if they don't look alike, which is obviously a topic we can't agree on, why did they insist on giving Lauren precisely the same hairstyle as Claire?
One more thing I should mention: the picture that's in my previous post now is not the one I used. They apparently changed the photo last night. I'm gonna see if I can find the correct one, and if I can, I'll put it in Photobucket this time.
Begemot Geroi
Nov 15 2009, 10:25 AM
Sylar and Peter have the same hairstyle. That means they're totally related.
And two women styling their hair the same way? STOP THE PRESSES. Because, y'know, that never happens ever.
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