Moon_Rabbits
Oct 2 2006, 06:29 PM
*spoilers below.
So Sylar killed the man and woman, but left the child right?
Isaac (or whom I assume is Isaac) was found dead and in the exact same state as the frozen man...minus the frozen-ness. Only, Isaac is alllllll the way over in New York.
Move fast much, Sylar?
Homer
Oct 2 2006, 06:30 PM
1. Talk about a spoiler...
2. It was like a month later when Isaac got offed.
ZSGhost
Oct 2 2006, 06:31 PM
The murder of Issac took place five weeks after the California murders. Remember, Hiro was in the future.
Edit: If you're liveposting as you're watching the episode, than I should warn you that this post has spoilers.
Viper
Oct 2 2006, 06:34 PM
Yeah the murder of Isaac happioned 5 weeks after those parents of that one little girl well murder. I don't think Sylar knew the little girl was hidding in there, or she would of been dead too.
Matt's Girl (spygrl007)
Oct 2 2006, 06:32 PM
Did you not watch the end of the episode? Think about Hiro... think about where and when he was when he found Isaac!
Moon_Rabbits
Oct 2 2006, 06:35 PM
I forgot Hiro was in the future. Thanks for clearing this up. Oh, I'll also edit spoiler tags into that first post, I'm getting used to the new message board.
Daedalus
Oct 2 2006, 06:36 PM
My speculation: Sylar doesn't like having other 'heroes' around...he wants to be special. Hence, when [if] he finds out about the others, I gather he'll be wanting to...well...I suppose freeze them, throw them around a bit, and chop half their heads off. Strange, sure, but it looks rather effective to me. O.o
Moon_Rabbits
Oct 2 2006, 06:46 PM
Well, stealing brains == stealing powers could make some sense. After all, if Sylar does indeed have the ability to freeze people AND super strength (lifting the wife), he'd be the first hero we've seen with multiple powers wouldn't he?
Or maybe Sylar == HRG guy
OR... someone promised Sylar if he can get the brains they can give him their powers? Who wouldn't want to be a time-bending, invincible, future seeing, flying, ice dude? (Assuming Sylar already has freezer burn himself)
Viper
Oct 2 2006, 06:49 PM
I don't think Sylar is HRG, but it would make sense if Sylar is taking there brains to take there powers. When the show began last week Sursh was talking about humens only using 10% of there brains. Maybe our heroes are using more which gives them there powers.
TheGreenRanger
Oct 2 2006, 06:50 PM
So if the little girl was hiding from Sylar rather than him leaving her alive.. she was hidden under the stairs with something blocking the door. Her parents knew he was coming for them?
bozinka
Oct 2 2006, 06:50 PM
QUOTE (Moon_Rabbits @ Oct 2 2006, 10:46 PM)

Well, stealing brains == stealing powers could make some sense. After all, if Sylar does indeed have the ability to freeze people AND super strength (lifting the wife), he'd be the first hero we've seen with multiple powers wouldn't he?
Or maybe Sylar == HRG guy

So, did Sylar kill Suresh Sr? OR someone else? It seems like Sylar is trying to kill heroes off - which means - what power did the guy at breakfast have? And will the daughter have any?
I really wonder if Sylar is HRG... would make sense?
Moon_Rabbits
Oct 2 2006, 06:54 PM
QUOTE (TheGreenRanger @ Oct 3 2006, 02:50 AM)

So if the little girl was hiding from Sylar rather than him leaving her alive.. she was hidden under the stairs with something blocking the door. Her parents knew he was coming for them?
Maybe the daughter has telekenesis? Perhaps she hid under the stairs and moved crap in front of it with her mind. Although your explanation seems more plausable.
Sylar = HRG is a bit of a long shot, but I like to think it anyway.
Dragonfire
Oct 2 2006, 06:55 PM
When I saw that the brains were gone, I instantly thought that he was taking their powers by taking their brains.
The taking of the brains reminds me of Starship Troopers. *shudders*
knot2appetizing
Oct 2 2006, 06:56 PM
can sylar freeze people and cut off their heads is that his power how come he didnt freeze everyone
Drago Lordist
Oct 2 2006, 06:56 PM
QUOTE (Moon_Rabbits @ Oct 2 2006, 09:46 PM)

Well, stealing brains == stealing powers could make some sense. After all, if Sylar does indeed have the ability to freeze people AND super strength (lifting the wife), he'd be the first hero we've seen with multiple powers wouldn't he?
Or maybe Sylar == HRG guy

ah but if he dies 5 weeks later who steals HIS?
TheGreenRanger
Oct 2 2006, 06:58 PM
QUOTE (bozinka @ Oct 2 2006, 08:50 PM)

So, did Sylar kill Suresh Sr? OR someone else? It seems like Sylar is trying to kill heroes off - which means - what power did the guy at breakfast have? And will the daughter have any?
I really wonder if Sylar is HRG... would make sense?
I also thought Sylar could be HRG. Suresh said that Sylar is Patient Zero, correct?
moheevi
Oct 2 2006, 06:56 PM
what is HRG?
moheevi
Oct 2 2006, 07:01 PM
seriously...what does HRG stand for? i must have missed this somewhere?
Moon_Rabbits
Oct 2 2006, 07:05 PM
QUOTE (iepstein @ Oct 3 2006, 03:02 AM)

what if when sylar kills people their powers kinda get left with the person one last time, hence the frozen man, he was able to make things freeze and the mom w/knives all over her was able to move things with her mind or something like that, and as she was dying she moved the chair in front of the door where the lil girl was. Now, the fbi agent who arrested the cop knows something, i know she does. Hmmmmmm Any thoughts?
She knows the name Sylar, since...you know, she's from the CIA and working on the case.
jediman500
Oct 2 2006, 07:09 PM
QUOTE (iepstein @ Oct 2 2006, 11:07 PM)

i ment she knows something about the special powers and the cop being able to hear thoughts.
Same here...Why else would she play it at least SEMI-cool when he mentioned her thoughts?
Dragonfire
Oct 2 2006, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (moheevi @ Oct 2 2006, 10:01 PM)

seriously...what does HRG stand for? i must have missed this somewhere?
Horn-Rimmed Glasses
It's like he's the devil.

*dun dun DUN*
iepstein
Oct 2 2006, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (Drago Lordist @ Oct 2 2006, 10:56 PM)

ah but if he dies 5 weeks later who steals HIS?
what if when sylar kills people their powers kinda get left with the person one last time, hence the frozen man, he was able to make things freeze and the mom w/knives all over her was able to move things with her mind or something like that, and as she was dying she moved the chair in front of the door where the lil girl was. Now, the fbi agent who arrested the cop knows something, i know she does. Hmmmmmm Any thoughts?
iepstein
Oct 2 2006, 07:07 PM
QUOTE (Moon_Rabbits @ Oct 2 2006, 11:05 PM)

She knows the name Sylar, since...you know, she's from the CIA and working on the case.
i ment she knows something about the special powers and the cop being able to hear thoughts.
phisho
Oct 2 2006, 07:08 PM
I'm very certain that Sylar does, in fact, equal HRG.
The entire scene with Claire, where he says "it hurts him".
And then the previews for the next episode, where a few Heroes figure out they have to go help Claire out. Obviously, it's because HRG is going to saw her brain out.
iepstein
Oct 2 2006, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (phisho @ Oct 2 2006, 11:08 PM)

I'm very certain that Sylar does, in fact, equal HRG.
The entire scene with Claire, where he says "it hurts him".
And then the previews for the next episode, where a few Heroes figure out they have to go help Claire out. Obviously, it's because HRG is going to saw her brain out.
Daddy found the video and now he knows for a fact shes special. Interesting that she keeps trying to commit suicide, and now her daddy is gonna try to take her brain... maybe her real parents were the ones that were killed, and they gave her away to keep her safe...
Viper
Oct 2 2006, 07:14 PM
Interesting theory that the CIA agent knows something.
gfleming21
Oct 2 2006, 07:18 PM
ummmm so yea i think Sylar has a partner because his ability seems to be primarily freezing people a$$ to death. I dont think the whole brain is his style. Im pretty sure hes a got a good partner and that is his style.
phisho
Oct 2 2006, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (iepstein @ Oct 2 2006, 11:12 PM)

Daddy found the video and now he knows for a fact shes special. Interesting that she keeps trying to commit suicide, and now her daddy is gonna try to take her brain... maybe her real parents were the ones that were killed, and they gave her away to keep her safe...
Eh, but I don't believe that Claire is trying to kill herself. While she may not want the powers, I think it's more about testing herself. Zach would have stopped her if she was suicidal, and he definitely wouldn't film it.
Still, I'm sure you're right about Claire's parents being special, to say the least. After all, the premise is genetics, right? I'm sure Mrs. Petrelli will play a big part later, too.
Homer
Oct 2 2006, 07:21 PM
I didn't notice, but was Isaac frozen when Hiro found him?
jediman500
Oct 2 2006, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Homer @ Oct 2 2006, 11:21 PM)

I didn't notice, but was Isaac frozen when Hiro found him?
No, he wasn't.
iepstein
Oct 2 2006, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Homer @ Oct 2 2006, 11:21 PM)

I didn't notice, but was Isaac frozen when Hiro found him?
Isaac was not frozen, but remember, hiro was 5 weeks ahead in time, so he has a chance to save him
newbietotheboards
Oct 2 2006, 07:27 PM
QUOTE (Homer @ Oct 3 2006, 03:21 AM)

I didn't notice, but was Isaac frozen when Hiro found him?
No...I don't think he was...but why does Syrus have to be HRG guy? Couldn't he just be tracking them down as well? For the government or something?
Homer
Oct 2 2006, 07:29 PM
QUOTE (jediman500 @ Oct 2 2006, 10:25 PM)

No, he wasn't.
I didn't think so, just had to make sure.
Squib
Oct 2 2006, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (jediman500 @ Oct 3 2006, 03:25 AM)

No, he wasn't.
Issac could have unthawed by the time Hiro got there.
hoostoos
Oct 2 2006, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (iepstein @ Oct 3 2006, 03:12 AM)

Daddy found the video and now he knows for a fact shes special. Interesting that she keeps trying to commit suicide, and now her daddy is gonna try to take her brain... maybe her real parents were the ones that were killed, and they gave her away to keep her safe...
possibly stupid question, i wasn't paying much attention, but was there a date listed when mr. cop guy found the girl in the cupboard under the stairs? there's no way that could be indestructo-girl right?
Dangard Ace
Oct 2 2006, 08:50 PM
QUOTE (hoostoos @ Oct 3 2006, 12:05 AM)

possibly stupid question, i wasn't paying much attention, but was there a date listed when mr. cop guy found the girl in the cupboard under the stairs? there's no way that could be indestructo-girl right?
I don't believe so. Little girls hair is brown. I originally checked the Mom's and Dad's hair colour(both brown) thinking they could be her family(and little sister) but I didn't think of it that way. Blonde is a recessive gene isn't it and may have been passed onto the eldest daughter.
rayne
Oct 2 2006, 09:21 PM
QUOTE (Dragonfire @ Oct 2 2006, 11:02 PM)

Horn-Rimmed Glasses
It's like he's the devil.

*dun dun DUN*
i believe sylar has telekinitic powers n' mabye freeze powers
Agent X
Oct 2 2006, 09:25 PM
I simply think that Sylar studied the researches of Suresh's dad and knows that to identify people with potential "supernatural" abilities, he needs to study their brains and he is probably killing people in the vicinity of the map (from suresh's dad map to identify the special people) and simply doesn't want other people to know of people with superpowers.
Vampyre
Oct 3 2006, 12:35 AM
My idea is this, Sylar was/is patien Zero. He was the first known person to develop abilities. Maybe he does have more than one ability. Just maybe our other heroes have other abilities they know nothing about yet. Becoming a superhero doen't come with a manual. How many single powered heroes are there in the comics? Most of them have more than just one ability. Maybe these do to.
Hazelnutmegan
Oct 3 2006, 12:53 AM
QUOTE (Moon_Rabbits @ Oct 2 2006, 08:46 PM)

Well, stealing brains == stealing powers could make some sense. After all, if Sylar does indeed have the ability to freeze people AND super strength (lifting the wife), he'd be the first hero we've seen with multiple powers wouldn't he?
Or maybe Sylar == HRG guy

Who says that Sylar is acting alone? He could've already got himself a posse of evil people with powers to help him - like Magneto in X-men.
I personally think HRG is Sylar and that the blonde who befriended Suresh in this episode is a plant - she's there to find out all the information the dad left behind before taking Suresh out. Her story about knowing the dad, but not knowing about his death is lame.
marndar
Oct 3 2006, 03:39 AM
Sylar is definitely patient zero in my opinion. That seems to be reinforced on the answering machine message. I disagree with the people who think Sylar is Claire's dad. Claire's dad probably has known for ages about the various heroes (one of the reasons he adopted her). Sylar is just developing and realizing his powers, except in an evil way.
Is there any chance that the hero they haven't introduced yet (the criminal) is Sylar? I was surprised he didn't make an appearance last night.
Light Boy
Oct 3 2006, 09:50 AM
stating the obvious here bu8t if hiro was in the future the only one who knows isaac will die is him and he also knows

where syllar strikes next
so he can stop it in theory...
bu then dosen't that means his the only one who knows the nuclear explosion will happen

by the way grapic novel 2 is out
The Alternative One
Oct 3 2006, 10:04 AM
For theories, connections, character abilities and lots of observations...
http://heroespatientzero.blogspot.com/
z3nd
Oct 3 2006, 10:06 AM
I am thinking that the plant and stuff could have been swept out of the way by sylar when he went after the mother, and that lead to the door being blocked. I think the professor found Sylar, and was helpinghim discover his full potential, and did not know how unstable Sylar is... He may NEEd to feed on the Hero brains. Could be due to pushing himself farther than a human can handle...
Sam
Hordak Alpha
Oct 3 2006, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (Hazelnutmegan @ Oct 3 2006, 03:53 AM)

Who says that Sylar is acting alone? He could've already got himself a posse of evil people with powers to help him - like Magneto in X-men.
Exactly what I was thinking after I saw the crime scene that telepathic cop went to. We already know one of the baddies has ice blasting or freeze breath due to that one frozen guy at the crime scene. I'm having a feeling about that repair guy in the apartment of Mohinder's father. Did you see the way the repair guy kicked Mohinder across the room? It looked farther than anyone I know can kick. Maybe the repair guy has a form of super strength.
MiTYH
Oct 3 2006, 10:24 AM
they're definately at least two people... one is taking the brains, but notice the differences between the two we saw... on one (of the future) was just killed, while the one in the present was FROZEN, and killed... sounds like two people
or one guy with a TON of powers...
lenity
Oct 3 2006, 11:46 AM
QUOTE (supastarsam @ Oct 3 2006, 12:37 PM)

i think there are two if not more. i remember hiro seeing a trail of blood also in the art gallery that looked fresh when the body looked frozen. it might mean something or it might not. also, the second body that had dozens of knives or forks that nailed the lady to the stairs. i think the second villian has some sort of magnetic powers simliar to magneto and might even be able to use some sort of force field or some type of power to lift people seeing how high it was from the ground the body was attached to the stairs.
on a hunch i think that the couple that was killed may have been claire's boilogical parents. her step dad did say he contacted a nice lady at the adoption agency and their gonna search for them. the killer may have kept the young girl alive because she was claire's "boilogical sister?"
wow. that's a great theory. i was wondering who those people could have been and that's a great connection. I think Sylar is HRG.
supastarsam
Oct 3 2006, 11:37 AM
i think there are two if not more. i remember hiro seeing a trail of blood also in the art gallery that looked fresh when the body looked frozen. it might mean something or it might not. also, the second body that had dozens of knives or forks that nailed the lady to the stairs. i think the second villian has some sort of magnetic powers simliar to magneto and might even be able to use some sort of force field or some type of power to lift people seeing how high it was from the ground the body was attached to the stairs.
on a hunch i think that the couple that was killed may have been claire's boilogical parents. her step dad did say he contacted a nice lady at the adoption agency and their gonna search for them. the killer may have kept the young girl alive because she was claire's "boilogical sister?"
Brother Bones
Oct 3 2006, 12:13 PM
I am really thinking that sylar has telekinesis (it would explain the woman being lifted and the cutlery stuck in her, and the man being frozen could be from cryokinesis which both are just mental control of the environment.
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