sorry if this has been mentioned already, but was hiro in the future every since he teleported to new york? if so then basically the whole sylar murder thing hasnt happened yet becasue hiro walked into the painters house and saw all the grisly murder things. am i right or im i totally wrong?

huh no... quite more episodes than that. a lot of things can happen within one month...since he basically went from october 2nd to november 8th and he went back right after that to october 2nd.

You are, in fact, totally wrong (and by that, I mean you're absolutely correct).

That suprised me that Hiro teleported that many weeks ahead. So does that mean theres only 3 episodes left?

my beleive is that while all the storys weve seen (the mirror lady, the LAPD cop etc.) have all been set in October 2nd

While Hiros side of the story has been 5 weeks ahead. I beleive that at the end of the episode he went back 5 weeks, and must now find a way to get to the painter before he dies.

Dont you find it interesting that he finds a comic telling his story exactly? Plus the painter guy (sorry i havent memorized all the character names yet) is not a comic book artist.

I beleive that Hiro somehow made the comics with the painter dude, to make sure that he goes to his house in the future, but i still dont know why he would want his future self to find the cut up corpse.



In terms of the sylar thing..i think the first murder happens in the intro of the LAPD com, while the last one is the killing of the painter.
Its just that we are missing 5 weeks in between, perhaps sylar's power is fueled by him feeding on the brains of heroes?
If so some more heroes might die.

Yep, Hiro traveled through space and time to reach New York.

So basically, he cannot "teleport" without moving through time as well.

At least, at this point, that is how his powers were shown.

November the 8th is a Wednesday though. Too bad the producers can't do anything special for that day regarding the show.

you need to join the board cause u seem to be on point with this stuff for the most part and for all yall who are havin a hard time catchin everything the 1st time u see it i think USA and scifi will be showing reruns i'm not 100% on that but there's also online Try not to 4get ur dates it seems like it will be important for furture episodes

Nice! I think all your points have merit and illustrate the complexity of time travel. I didn't pause the episode, but from the quick flashes, I couldn't tell if the murder victim in Isaac's apartment was really Isaac. Anyone else happen to catch the victim's identity?

You have to remember though that his powers are barely developed at this stage, I have a feeling Hiro will be playing a major role in saving the world. Not because of "Don't look back" but because of the power he would have when his powers do get stronger.

I too got the impression that only Hiro's scenes were future scenes and that the Sylar murder with the mounted mom, frozen dad and hidden kid was "current events". Sylar's murder in the studio, which I'm assuming was Isaac, was approx. 1 month later. However, the family murder scene was not the first sylar killing as five or six people on the force already knew that name... cue Sylar flashbacks... or possibly even Hiro travelling back to find out who this guy is.

As far as Isaac being a comic book writer/illustrator, I don't think we have at any point been told that he's 'not' one so it's quite plausible that he does a little piece work for 9th Wonders. Also, given the writing, submission, editing and publishing time this could even have been written by Isaac prior to "current events".

It's going to be fun watching Hiro reaction to realizing he does not 'control' space and time but in fact travels through them... and seeing if he tries to separate the two or accepts his ability for what it is.

Not true... in Ep 1.1 he teleported into the ladies room at the karaoke bar. And he stopped time on the train without teleporting. So obviously he can do both powers seperately or together.

Uh.. didn't anyone notice that Hiro reads the back of the comic and gets Issac's address? He self publishes 9th Wonder, and in Ep 1.1 you see the cover painting of 'Monsters' in his loft. Also on Hiro's screen saver. Also Micah reading the comic.

Connections within connections.

Yes, it was def. Isaac. Now, I want to know if anyone caught the date on the cover of the comic? COuld it have been published the onth before?

Sam

Great ending nonetheless! I never saw it coming. 8 November is my birthday; a doomsday if there ever was one!

x

He may not be a comic book artist on October 2, but he definitely created the comic Hiro was reading. It's very possible he starts working with the comic format to provide a context to the visions he receives while he's high.

After all, a single painting tells you almost nothing about the event being depicted which would be useful to start trying to understand it in context.



I don't think so. I think how far he shifts in time is proportional to how far he shifts in space. Going from a table to the ladies' room might shift him a second or two. Travelling five thousand miles to New York shifts him over a month into the future.

We also don't know where the train was when he finished playing with time while on it. It might be he kept himself on the train, but was transported to wherever the train would have been when he stopped manipulating time.

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i noticed the same thing. the scalped dude on the floor really didn't look like issac.

Doesn't Isaac in the next one find the please forgive me sign. Looks like it was written in blood. Maybe he's alerting himself by using Hiro's power that something bad that may be happening to him.

well a lot can happen to a drug addict over a month, regarding appearances


anyway, I think people will be looking towards novermber 8th for something BIG... they might be taking a hidaus? Don't know... but I do know that the next month of episodes will be most excellent

took your advice

We can guess all we want, but there's nothing so far that indicates he can't learn to control them separately. Time and space are independent dimensions. Taking a month to get from Tokyo to NYC isn't so super. I'll bet he'll be able to go as far and fast as he wants as he gets better at it. However, that's pretty omnipotent, so they better give him some limitations or weakness.

I just thought of something.

Wat if Hiro's teleportation is affected by how long it would take him to get there.

ex. It takes him 30 minutes to get home from work, so if he teleported from work to home, it would still be 30 minutes in the future.
so maybe the reason it took him 5 weeks to get to NY, was because of his salary or other surcomstances, it would take him 5 weeks to get there...maybe through boat or something else.

WHich might also mean that hiro is going to have to help the heroes through phone (or something else) from japan. Unless Hiro can somehow get some money to take a plane to NY.


These are just some theorys i came up with
ANy thoughts would be great

There was another post about Hiro and the clock on the subway. How many days passed while he was on it and before he realized He was in New York. Wasn't it 4 weeks?
If so, then his jump to New York was immediate, not weeks.

The jump inofitself may be immediate, but then you have to account for the time from October 2 to November 8 somehow. The people around him on the train do not appear to be affected in any fashion while the clock is rapidly changing. So the four weeks couldn't have been lost there.

Just because he jumped in to a time more than 4 weeks later doesn't mean he actually has to experience 4 weeks of waiting time. If he did, it'd be a considerably more limited - and lamer - power... "Power of Stasis"? I believe that Hiro has just yet to fully develop separate control over time and space.

This actually presents an entire set of issues about Hiro stopping the clock and the subway clock going crazy. Wouldn't the people around him notice four weeks worth of sunsets and sunrises? Which leads me to believe that what Hiro is doing is "pinching off" the spacetime around him into a bubble, and then "reconnecting" it back at another spacetime.

The time and space are not directly connected (i.e. time it would actually take to travel somewhere being related to the length of time it takes him to teleport) otherwise Hiro would not have been able to go back in time.
Actually his "problem" right now is that he doesnt seem to have real great control over where he goes or how much time he bends. This i assume will improve over time

I was just about to say the same thing. If yoiu think of time as a stright line. Then Hiro can shorten or enlongat the line to freeze or speed up time. But in order to teleport he must fold the line to get to another place. Thus bringing him forward in time, but another place.

The bar sceen, where he teleports to the bathroom. he only fold the time line alittle, so there was little to none time shift. but from Japan to New York. He has to fold alot more space to move that far.

Hiro has the most complicated power, but he also has the most use for it.

I do have my explanation here, and I will bring Einstein.

Relativity

All this episode was on Oct. 2.

All the people is on Oct 2, except Hiro.

But Hiro travel to Nov 8, so all people of that time frame, think it's Nov 8. But for Hiro that version on Nov8 where he is at Isaac home, is his Oct 2 (his watch)

Hope I haven't loss everybody

I am just hoping it is not something silly like he can only jump into himself at a different point in time - quasi quantum leapish, like he will be in new york in 5 weeks and his power is to cut out the time inbetween (him traveling, sleeping, etc...).

That's a better visualization of what I was trying to get across. I didn't mean to imply it actually took time for him to teleport (although the clock rapidly advancing means it takes some time), just that the two seem to be related.

It fits with Special Relativity. As an object approaches the speed of light, time slows down and distances lengthen, not one or the other. (Mass also increases, but that's not helpful to my speculation.) In General Relativity, space and time are combined in one four-dimensional construct (helpfully called space-time by Einstein). It therefore follows that if Hiro is able to bend one dimension (time) he necessarily bends the other three (space) and vice versa.

It's just my speculation, but if it bears fruit, it's a very creative way to treat teleportation without resorting to "alternate dimensions" and such.

As far as there being nothing said he can't control them independently, there's also nothing said that he can. The show is completely silent on the subject, so far. At some point, the story will hopefully explain what has been just interesting speculation.

I'm curious to see what Mohinder has to say about all these different powers, when/if he meets the heroes.

I definitely think that Hiro will have the ability to teleport instantaneously. At this time, all of the characters are really developing their abilities. Nobody has it mastered yet. I think this holds true with Hiro. he is learning how to use it, and was not aware that he jumped ahead into the future. He was not in control. He stopped time by focusing on time, he teleported by focusing on a location, I think he will learn how to do both at once.

Having Hiro being able to affect only time and space together is an interesting concept. I don't agree with it, because a few things just don't make sense when I rewatch the two episodes.

First, we see Hiro in the train. He sees the poster of New York and decides to try and teleport himself there. The clock behind him reads 11:43. He concentrates, and the clock rushes forward so fast that the digits are unreadable. According to the clock, he seems to fast forward many days in scant seconds. Now, the clock moves too fast for anyone to keep track of, but it seems feasible to me that he is moving himself 5 weeks into the future.

Why would the clock go crazy if he wasn't moving in time? His power isn't over the manipulation of clocks, but of time itself.

Now why would he go forward in time when he really wanted to teleport? Well, he doesn't have much control over his powers. None of us have the ability to manipulate time and space like Hiro can, but I presume its much like flexing a muscle you just found out you had. Your bound to get things mixed up once and while trying to do exactly something different.

As for why the people around him seem to not be affected, I'm going to say special effect budget constraints. An answer that would make sense in the Heroes universe would be that either the people around him just seem to not be affected. In truth, he has moved outside the normal timeline. When he returns, theres a sort of lag before everything snaps back as they should.

Then again, that argument lends support to his control over time and space being connected to each other. Who knows. Chances are, we're not going to see a lot of consistency on how Hiro's powers work, so we might as well just resign ourselves to accepting what the screenwriters give us. Hiro's power seems to be Deus Ex Machina or whatever the story requires.